WEBVTT 00:00:00.560 --> 00:00:02.375 Councilors, ladies and gentlemen, please 00:00:02.399 --> 00:00:04.295 stand if you're able for the Mayor of 00:00:04.319 --> 00:00:07.319 Lake Macquarie, Councelor Adam Schultz. 00:00:25.760 --> 00:00:28.216 Good evening, counselors. I invite you 00:00:28.240 --> 00:00:30.776 to pause before we begin this evening to 00:00:30.800 --> 00:00:32.936 reflect on the responsibilities you have 00:00:32.960 --> 00:00:35.176 in making decisions on matters before 00:00:35.200 --> 00:00:37.736 us. As elected representatives, you have 00:00:37.760 --> 00:00:40.215 a duty to carefully consider the 00:00:40.239 --> 00:00:42.296 implications of the decisions that we'll 00:00:42.320 --> 00:00:44.296 be making and to strive to act in the 00:00:44.320 --> 00:00:46.616 best interest of our community. I remind 00:00:46.640 --> 00:00:48.375 you that the local government act 00:00:48.399 --> 00:00:51.399 requires us to act honestly and exercise 00:00:52.079 --> 00:00:54.055 care and diligence in carrying out our 00:00:54.079 --> 00:00:56.456 functions and to conduct our meetings 00:00:56.480 --> 00:00:59.480 constructively and courteously in in 00:01:00.160 --> 00:01:01.656 accordance with our code of meeting 00:01:01.680 --> 00:01:04.135 practice. It's incumbent upon us to be 00:01:04.159 --> 00:01:06.536 open, honest, transparent and 00:01:06.560 --> 00:01:08.616 accountable for our actions and 00:01:08.640 --> 00:01:10.616 decisions and to demonstrate respect to 00:01:10.640 --> 00:01:12.775 each other and to staff and members of 00:01:12.799 --> 00:01:14.775 the public present. 00:01:14.799 --> 00:01:17.799 please be seated 00:01:34.960 --> 00:01:37.336 Before opening the meeting this evening, 00:01:37.360 --> 00:01:39.656 I must remind councilors and members of 00:01:39.680 --> 00:01:42.216 the gallery present that meetings of 00:01:42.240 --> 00:01:44.296 standing committee and council are 00:01:44.320 --> 00:01:47.176 recording webcast. The public gallery is 00:01:47.200 --> 00:01:49.896 included in that recording and webcast 00:01:49.920 --> 00:01:52.375 and members of the public attending a 00:01:52.399 --> 00:01:55.256 meeting may have their image or voice 00:01:55.280 --> 00:01:57.176 captured and webcast and archived by 00:01:57.200 --> 00:02:00.135 council by attending a standing 00:02:00.159 --> 00:02:01.656 committee or council meeting. You 00:02:01.680 --> 00:02:03.976 consent your image, speech or other 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:06.375 personal information being webcast and 00:02:06.399 --> 00:02:08.935 recorded. Please ensure that your mobile 00:02:08.959 --> 00:02:11.959 phones are turned off or on silent and I 00:02:12.480 --> 00:02:14.295 remind you that recording of council 00:02:14.319 --> 00:02:17.319 meetings is not permitted. please be 00:02:17.360 --> 00:02:19.736 mindful in the gallery that discussions 00:02:19.760 --> 00:02:21.896 amongst yourselves can make it difficult 00:02:21.920 --> 00:02:23.896 for councilors to hear one another 00:02:23.920 --> 00:02:26.920 during the debate. I now declare the 00:02:26.959 --> 00:02:29.256 meeting open. 00:02:29.280 --> 00:02:31.656 our acknowledgement of country. the 00:02:31.680 --> 00:02:33.816 councilors. I acknowledge that we're 00:02:33.840 --> 00:02:36.776 meeting on the traditional owners the 00:02:36.800 --> 00:02:39.176 Awabakal People their land and 00:02:39.200 --> 00:02:41.575 acknowledge any Aboriginal or Torres Strait 00:02:41.599 --> 00:02:44.599 Islander and we are meeting again at 00:02:51.599 --> 00:02:54.215 the Windal Hub's been a place 00:02:54.239 --> 00:02:57.016 where we've held a number of meetings 00:02:57.040 --> 00:02:59.896 since our administration building is out 00:02:59.920 --> 00:03:02.696 of action. 00:03:02.720 --> 00:03:05.575 I also want to take a moment yeah 00:03:05.599 --> 00:03:07.416 just to acknowledge the loss of a number 00:03:07.440 --> 00:03:09.656 of prominent members of our 00:03:09.680 --> 00:03:12.536 community. So it is with deep sadness 00:03:12.560 --> 00:03:14.935 that we acknowledge the 00:03:14.959 --> 00:03:17.816 sudden and unexpected passing of 00:03:17.840 --> 00:03:20.840 councelor Sinead Francis Cohen who was 00:03:21.280 --> 00:03:23.416 elected to the City of Newcastle our 00:03:23.440 --> 00:03:26.215 neighboring council in September last 00:03:26.239 --> 00:03:29.239 year. Counselor Francis Cohen was 00:03:29.840 --> 00:03:31.896 a passionate advocate for social 00:03:31.920 --> 00:03:34.135 justice and equity and community 00:03:34.159 --> 00:03:37.159 empowerment. she was only 40 years of 00:03:37.360 --> 00:03:40.360 age. Her dedication and compassion left 00:03:40.560 --> 00:03:43.560 a lasting impact on obviously Newcastle 00:03:44.080 --> 00:03:46.775 City but it brought a field to Lake 00:03:46.799 --> 00:03:49.799 Macquarie as well. And on behalf of 00:03:50.159 --> 00:03:51.816 council, I'd like to extend our 00:03:51.840 --> 00:03:54.376 heartfelt condolences to her family, to 00:03:54.400 --> 00:03:56.775 her friends and colleagues during this 00:03:56.799 --> 00:03:58.775 difficult time. 00:03:58.799 --> 00:04:00.855 I also wish to acknowledge the 00:04:00.879 --> 00:04:02.855 passing of the former City of 00:04:02.879 --> 00:04:05.879 Newcastle Lord Mayor Jeff McCloy whom 00:04:06.159 --> 00:04:09.159 many people know, he passed following 00:04:09.280 --> 00:04:12.215 his battle with motor neurone disease. 00:04:12.239 --> 00:04:14.536 Mr McCloy was a prominent business 00:04:14.560 --> 00:04:17.335 leader in the Hunter community and a 00:04:17.359 --> 00:04:19.416 real driving force both here in Lake 00:04:19.440 --> 00:04:22.440 Macquarie and across the Hunter. in 00:04:23.040 --> 00:04:24.856 terms of some of those landmark 00:04:24.880 --> 00:04:27.880 developments that Mr. McCloy was 00:04:28.320 --> 00:04:30.615 you know a key contributor to Billy's 00:04:30.639 --> 00:04:33.639 Lookout at Taralba, the Greenpoint 00:04:33.840 --> 00:04:36.776 development at Belmont and Cameron Grove 00:04:36.800 --> 00:04:39.016 at Cameron Park where he effectively 00:04:39.040 --> 00:04:41.576 contributed significantly to our city's 00:04:41.600 --> 00:04:44.296 growth creating homes, generating 00:04:44.320 --> 00:04:46.216 employment and investing in the future 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:48.216 of Lake Macquarie. 00:04:48.240 --> 00:04:51.240 His philanthropic spirit was equally 00:04:52.160 --> 00:04:55.160 notable including his support for our 00:04:55.600 --> 00:04:57.336 first Lake Macquarie International 00:04:57.360 --> 00:05:00.360 Children's Games way back in 2008. 00:05:01.040 --> 00:05:04.040 And I also note that he's an old boy 00:05:04.639 --> 00:05:06.936 of Lakes United. We both played at 00:05:06.960 --> 00:05:08.856 the same club and I know there's been 00:05:08.880 --> 00:05:11.880 a lot of social media and you know 00:05:12.080 --> 00:05:13.976 media releases. I think he was a big 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:16.615 part of the Redhead Surf Life Saving as 00:05:16.639 --> 00:05:19.639 well. So, he had an incredible impact on 00:05:19.680 --> 00:05:22.296 our community here in Lake Macquarie. 00:05:22.320 --> 00:05:24.615 and I also want to acknowledge I 00:05:24.639 --> 00:05:26.776 attended the funeral service of Mr. 00:05:26.800 --> 00:05:29.735 Lindsay Hall last Friday. So, Lindsay 00:05:29.759 --> 00:05:32.376 was married to the former federal 00:05:32.400 --> 00:05:35.096 member for Shortland, Jill Hall, for 56 00:05:35.120 --> 00:05:37.735 years. Lindsay contributed 00:05:37.759 --> 00:05:40.536 significantly to the Labour Party here in 00:05:40.560 --> 00:05:42.936 Lake Macquarie over his lifetime, and he 00:05:42.960 --> 00:05:45.416 was a great family man and a good friend 00:05:45.440 --> 00:05:48.296 of mine. So may we take a moment just to 00:05:48.320 --> 00:05:50.455 reflect on all of their lives, their 00:05:50.479 --> 00:05:52.696 service, and the enduring mark that they 00:05:52.720 --> 00:05:55.720 have left on our community. 00:05:57.759 --> 00:05:59.656 councilors, so we'll begin this 00:05:59.680 --> 00:06:02.680 evening with the procedural items. 00:06:03.440 --> 00:06:06.216 this includes leave absences, apologies, 00:06:06.240 --> 00:06:08.615 declarations of interest. So we'll start 00:06:08.639 --> 00:06:11.496 with the leave of absences. As I 00:06:11.520 --> 00:06:13.175 understand it, we have two leave of 00:06:13.199 --> 00:06:15.496 absences this evening. One from 00:06:15.520 --> 00:06:17.895 councelor Adamthwaite and another from 00:06:17.919 --> 00:06:20.136 councelor Hannah. Are there any other 00:06:20.160 --> 00:06:22.856 leave of absences that people are aware 00:06:22.880 --> 00:06:25.656 of? I don't believe there are. So I'll 00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:27.735 look for a mover and a seconder for 00:06:27.759 --> 00:06:30.056 that. Moved council Warner. Seconded 00:06:30.080 --> 00:06:32.455 councel Bishop. and again we'll just 00:06:32.479 --> 00:06:34.615 do that by a show of hands if we can. 00:06:34.639 --> 00:06:36.615 All those in favor please raise your 00:06:36.639 --> 00:06:39.015 hand. Deputy Mayor Antcliff, 00:06:39.039 --> 00:06:40.936 Councelor Grigg, Councelor Conroy, 00:06:40.960 --> 00:06:43.175 Councelor Bishop, Councelor Warner, 00:06:43.199 --> 00:06:45.336 Councilor Pauling, Councelor Swinsburg, 00:06:45.360 --> 00:06:47.175 Councilor Buckley, Councelor Schultz, 00:06:47.199 --> 00:06:49.895 Councilor Radcliffe, Mayor Adam Schultz. 00:06:49.919 --> 00:06:51.416 Those against, there being no 00:06:51.440 --> 00:06:53.336 opposition, I declare that carried 00:06:53.360 --> 00:06:56.360 unanimously. 00:06:56.400 --> 00:06:59.015 Apologies. councilors, I don't 00:06:59.039 --> 00:07:01.976 believe we have any apologies this 00:07:02.000 --> 00:07:03.496 evening. 00:07:03.520 --> 00:07:05.496 Declarations of interest. There are a 00:07:05.520 --> 00:07:08.520 number of declarations of interest. 00:07:09.039 --> 00:07:11.175 we might go to the first one up the top. 00:07:11.199 --> 00:07:14.199 councelor Swinsburg. 00:07:14.240 --> 00:07:16.776 thanks Mr Mayor I declare a non pecuniary 00:07:16.800 --> 00:07:19.096 less than significant interest in 25 00:07:19.120 --> 00:07:21.256 SP043 00:07:21.280 --> 00:07:24.136 Toronto 76 Nomad Road modification 00:07:24.160 --> 00:07:25.976 application for resource recovery 00:07:26.000 --> 00:07:29.000 facility advising that I am the next 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:32.936 door neighbor to the applicant but 00:07:32.960 --> 00:07:34.536 I'll be remaining in the meeting for 00:07:34.560 --> 00:07:37.096 discussion and voting thank you 00:07:37.120 --> 00:07:40.120 councelor Swinsburg councelor Bishop 00:07:43.840 --> 00:07:46.696 attorney two Sorry about that yes I 00:07:46.720 --> 00:07:49.496 have two Mr Mayor The first one is 00:07:49.520 --> 00:07:52.216 non-pecuniary but significant interest in 00:07:52.240 --> 00:07:54.696 25 SP046 00:07:54.720 --> 00:07:57.720 events funding program round 1 2025 00:07:58.160 --> 00:08:01.160 2026. I'm advising that I'm an an 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:04.056 ambassador for Hearts and Hands 00:08:04.080 --> 00:08:06.855 Community Development. I declared my 00:08:06.879 --> 00:08:09.096 interest to the events funding 00:08:09.120 --> 00:08:10.615 program committee and did not 00:08:10.639 --> 00:08:12.855 participate in the discussion for that 00:08:12.879 --> 00:08:15.256 particular those two requests and they 00:08:15.280 --> 00:08:17.895 are items number 16 and 22 in the 00:08:17.919 --> 00:08:20.919 requests and I will leave the 00:08:20.960 --> 00:08:22.455 meeting and will not participate in 00:08:22.479 --> 00:08:25.479 consideration or decision- making on 00:08:25.680 --> 00:08:28.376 that matter for those two items. The 00:08:28.400 --> 00:08:31.400 second one is just restating one from 00:08:31.919 --> 00:08:34.616 our standing committee meeting and that 00:08:34.640 --> 00:08:37.096 is I'm declaring a non pecuniary less than 00:08:37.120 --> 00:08:40.120 significant interest in 25bna003 00:08:41.360 --> 00:08:44.360 exhibition of the draft to Toronto 00:08:44.480 --> 00:08:47.255 climate resilience plan I live in 00:08:47.279 --> 00:08:49.416 that catchment area but I will stay in 00:08:49.440 --> 00:08:51.416 for the discussion and voting thank 00:08:51.440 --> 00:08:53.336 you Mr Mayor thank you councelor Bishop 00:08:53.360 --> 00:08:56.360 councelor Antcliff. 00:08:56.640 --> 00:08:59.495 thank you, Mr Mayor the one for me 00:08:59.519 --> 00:09:02.519 in relation to 24 25 SP046 event 00:09:03.440 --> 00:09:05.896 funding program round one, I have a 00:09:05.920 --> 00:09:08.920 pecuniary interest in item 19 of that 00:09:09.519 --> 00:09:12.519 which is let's surf Lake Mac noting 00:09:12.880 --> 00:09:15.176 I'm involved in the event delivery. I'll 00:09:15.200 --> 00:09:17.096 be leaving the chamber for that. I'd 00:09:17.120 --> 00:09:18.616 also like to note and we'll be leaving 00:09:18.640 --> 00:09:20.456 the chamber a significant non 00:09:20.480 --> 00:09:23.480 pecuniary interest in item 15 you 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:27.000 surfing national battle and item 18 frau 00:09:28.080 --> 00:09:29.976 as these could be considered competing 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:32.856 events. thank you Mr Mayor thank you 00:09:32.880 --> 00:09:35.880 councelor Antcliff councelor Pauling 00:09:37.600 --> 00:09:40.456 thank you Mr Mayor I make a less than 00:09:40.480 --> 00:09:43.096 significant non-pecuniary declaration in 00:09:43.120 --> 00:09:46.120 relation to 25 SP047 a Hunter Sports 00:09:46.800 --> 00:09:48.296 Center business transition and 00:09:48.320 --> 00:09:49.656 submission to the minister of local 00:09:49.680 --> 00:09:52.136 government. I advise that I'm one of 00:09:52.160 --> 00:09:54.536 the council appointed members of the 00:09:54.560 --> 00:09:56.616 existing committee structure responsible 00:09:56.640 --> 00:09:58.935 for the center operations. It's my 00:09:58.959 --> 00:10:01.255 intention to remain in the chamber for 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:03.976 debate and voting on that matter thank 00:10:04.000 --> 00:10:06.056 you councelor Pauling. councelor 00:10:06.080 --> 00:10:09.080 Conroy, do you have a one as well? 00:10:09.360 --> 00:10:11.096 thank you, Mr Mayor I also serve on 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:13.336 the Hunter Sport Center committee in a 00:10:13.360 --> 00:10:16.296 um a role appointed by council, so I 00:10:16.320 --> 00:10:19.320 have a less than significant 00:10:19.360 --> 00:10:21.416 non-pecuniary interest. I will remain in 00:10:21.440 --> 00:10:23.656 the chamber for the matter thank you 00:10:23.680 --> 00:10:26.456 thank you councilor Warner. 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:29.480 thank you Mr Mayor just a declaring a 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:32.616 non-pecuniary but significant interest in 00:10:32.640 --> 00:10:35.640 25 SP046 events funding program round 00:10:36.320 --> 00:10:38.935 one I'm also an ambassador with for 00:10:38.959 --> 00:10:40.856 Hearts and Hands Community Development 00:10:40.880 --> 00:10:42.935 and I'll leave the meeting as one of 00:10:42.959 --> 00:10:44.456 the two of the items are going to be 00:10:44.480 --> 00:10:47.480 discussed and not participate in that 00:10:47.680 --> 00:10:50.296 matter for those two matters and also 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:53.320 in the same events funding also 00:10:54.240 --> 00:10:56.055 declaring a non pecuniary but less than 00:10:56.079 --> 00:10:58.776 significant interest for item 20 I 00:10:58.800 --> 00:11:00.136 have a voluntary involvement in the 00:11:00.160 --> 00:11:01.736 event and I'll remain in the meeting for 00:11:01.760 --> 00:11:04.760 that one in relation to also have 00:11:05.279 --> 00:11:08.279 another from last time from the 00:11:09.600 --> 00:11:11.815 standing committees just reiterating 00:11:11.839 --> 00:11:13.576 the conflict of interest in relation 00:11:13.600 --> 00:11:15.336 it's a non-pecuniary less than significant 00:11:15.360 --> 00:11:18.055 interest in 25bna 00:11:18.079 --> 00:11:20.856 003 the exhibition of the draft to alba 00:11:20.880 --> 00:11:23.880 to Toronto climate resilience plan I 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:25.576 live within the catchment area and 00:11:25.600 --> 00:11:27.176 wanted this noted but I'll remain in the 00:11:27.200 --> 00:11:28.856 meeting for discussion and voting thank 00:11:28.880 --> 00:11:30.776 you thank you councelor Warner 00:11:30.800 --> 00:11:32.776 councelor Schultz 00:11:32.800 --> 00:11:34.456 thank you, Mr Mayor I would like to 00:11:34.480 --> 00:11:36.856 declare a non pecuniary significant interest 00:11:36.880 --> 00:11:39.880 in item two of 25 SP046 events funding. 00:11:42.560 --> 00:11:44.776 due to the nature of my personal 00:11:44.800 --> 00:11:47.016 friendship and association with the 00:11:47.040 --> 00:11:49.656 founder and CEO of Aune Health Centers. 00:11:49.680 --> 00:11:51.815 So, due to the continuing nature of that 00:11:51.839 --> 00:11:53.896 friendship, I can't remove the conflict. 00:11:53.920 --> 00:11:56.616 So, will not participate in the debate 00:11:56.640 --> 00:11:58.456 or the decision and we'll leave the 00:11:58.480 --> 00:12:01.096 chambers. thank you, councelor Schultz. 00:12:01.120 --> 00:12:03.495 I've got a couple of my own 00:12:03.519 --> 00:12:05.736 declarations of interest. So, the 00:12:05.760 --> 00:12:08.760 first one for me is, item 25 SP047. 00:12:12.480 --> 00:12:15.416 So, declaration of a non pecuniary lesson 00:12:15.440 --> 00:12:17.336 significant in relation to the Hunter 00:12:17.360 --> 00:12:19.815 Sports Center business transaction and 00:12:19.839 --> 00:12:21.495 submission to the minister for local 00:12:21.519 --> 00:12:24.519 government as I am on the council 00:12:25.680 --> 00:12:27.495 nominated rep as I am a council 00:12:27.519 --> 00:12:29.736 nominated representative of the advisory 00:12:29.760 --> 00:12:32.760 board and as the connection is not 00:12:33.760 --> 00:12:35.736 significant I'll remain in the chamber 00:12:35.760 --> 00:12:38.055 for discussion and voting my other 00:12:38.079 --> 00:12:41.079 one again relates similly to most of the 00:12:41.279 --> 00:12:44.279 councilors in terms of event funding 00:12:44.320 --> 00:12:46.696 so I'm declaring a non-pecuniary but 00:12:46.720 --> 00:12:49.720 significant interest in 25 SP046 00:12:50.880 --> 00:12:53.880 event funding program round one 2025 00:12:54.160 --> 00:12:57.160 to 2026 as I'm a patron and a member of 00:12:57.839 --> 00:13:00.839 the Valentine Lions Club. That item is 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:04.216 item 10 and I will leave the meeting for 00:13:04.240 --> 00:13:07.240 discussion and voting on that item. 00:13:08.480 --> 00:13:10.456 Councilors, there doesn't appear to be 00:13:10.480 --> 00:13:13.336 any further declarations of interest 00:13:13.360 --> 00:13:15.416 if everyone's comfortable. That was 00:13:15.440 --> 00:13:18.440 nearly a record excellent 00:13:19.760 --> 00:13:22.456 councilors we will move a procedural 00:13:22.480 --> 00:13:25.416 motion this evening we've got a 00:13:25.440 --> 00:13:27.656 number of presentations. 00:13:27.680 --> 00:13:30.216 so councilors, as part of our 00:13:30.240 --> 00:13:32.136 procedural motions this evening, I'm 00:13:32.160 --> 00:13:34.456 seeking a procedural motion to allow 00:13:34.480 --> 00:13:37.416 photographs during the presentations. 00:13:37.440 --> 00:13:39.976 the purpose of the motion is to allow 00:13:40.000 --> 00:13:42.296 photography to be taken during the 00:13:42.320 --> 00:13:44.696 presentation by council's communications 00:13:44.720 --> 00:13:47.720 team. And the motion is therefore 00:13:48.079 --> 00:13:50.856 in accordance with 2.33 00:13:50.880 --> 00:13:52.935 of the code of meeting practice council 00:13:52.959 --> 00:13:55.416 allows photographs within the council 00:13:55.440 --> 00:13:57.416 meeting room by council staff. The 00:13:57.440 --> 00:13:59.736 photographs are permitted to be used by 00:13:59.760 --> 00:14:02.760 staff media counselors and for personal 00:14:03.040 --> 00:14:06.040 use on social media. I'll look for a 00:14:06.399 --> 00:14:08.296 mover of that procedural motion. I 00:14:08.320 --> 00:14:10.856 believe councelor Buckley has put an A. 00:14:10.880 --> 00:14:13.880 So, she's looking to move that that 00:14:14.639 --> 00:14:16.055 procedural motion. I'll look for a 00:14:16.079 --> 00:14:18.696 seconder. thank you, Councelor Grigg. 00:14:18.720 --> 00:14:21.175 All those in favor say I. All those 00:14:21.199 --> 00:14:24.199 against, I declare it carried. 00:14:25.120 --> 00:14:26.615 councilors noting there is a 00:14:26.639 --> 00:14:29.639 confidential attachment in 25 SP047, 00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:33.736 which is the Hunter Sports Center 00:14:33.760 --> 00:14:35.976 business transition and submission to 00:14:36.000 --> 00:14:38.055 the Minister for Local Government. I'm 00:14:38.079 --> 00:14:40.216 also seeking a procedural motion to move 00:14:40.240 --> 00:14:42.696 that item to be the final item on the 00:14:42.720 --> 00:14:45.720 agenda. Um, can I seek a mover and a 00:14:45.839 --> 00:14:47.736 seconder for that? thank you, councelor 00:14:47.760 --> 00:14:50.296 Grig. Seconded, councelor Warner. All 00:14:50.320 --> 00:14:53.320 those in favor? I. All those against. I 00:14:53.519 --> 00:14:55.976 declare it carried. thank you. 00:14:56.000 --> 00:14:57.576 Confirmation 00:14:57.600 --> 00:15:00.216 of minutes. 00:15:00.240 --> 00:15:03.240 So the next item on the agenda is 00:15:04.800 --> 00:15:07.016 minutes from the ordinary council 00:15:07.040 --> 00:15:10.040 meeting held on the 26th of May 2025. 00:15:12.480 --> 00:15:14.856 Councilors, do we have a mover and a 00:15:14.880 --> 00:15:17.880 seconder for that? Moved. Councelor 00:15:18.399 --> 00:15:21.175 Schultz, seconded. councelor Buckley. 00:15:21.199 --> 00:15:24.199 thank you. All those in favor? 00:15:24.880 --> 00:15:27.880 All those against? I declare it carried. 00:15:29.040 --> 00:15:31.175 presentations. 00:15:31.199 --> 00:15:33.016 Got a couple of presentations this 00:15:33.040 --> 00:15:35.096 evening. In in actual fact, we've got 00:15:35.120 --> 00:15:38.120 two. first one is the 2025 Evolution 00:15:40.399 --> 00:15:42.696 Charity Cup winners, which is our Lake 00:15:42.720 --> 00:15:44.776 Mac Lifeguards. 00:15:44.800 --> 00:15:47.800 we we have James and Jacob with us 00:15:49.040 --> 00:15:52.040 this evening who effectively claimed 00:15:52.639 --> 00:15:55.639 victory easily in the prestigious 00:15:56.880 --> 00:15:59.255 Evolution Charity Cup which is part of 00:15:59.279 --> 00:16:02.279 the Surfest 2025 at Merryweather 00:16:03.040 --> 00:16:05.656 Beach about a month ago on the 30th of 00:16:05.680 --> 00:16:08.680 May. Um, so our Lake Mack lifeguards 00:16:09.360 --> 00:16:12.136 have once again taken out first place in 00:16:12.160 --> 00:16:14.615 the highly competitive Evolution Cup. 00:16:14.639 --> 00:16:16.536 Had the pleasure of witnessing their 00:16:16.560 --> 00:16:19.560 victory firsthand as they triumph over 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:23.000 the city of Newcastle lifeguards. an 00:16:23.199 --> 00:16:25.175 incredible performance. 00:16:25.199 --> 00:16:27.656 um our life, our Lake Macquarie surfing, 00:16:27.680 --> 00:16:30.615 Lake Mac surfing team really they put 00:16:30.639 --> 00:16:33.639 it to the the Newcastle guys um and 00:16:33.759 --> 00:16:36.615 other competitors. in the final, the 00:16:36.639 --> 00:16:39.639 Lake Macquarie team finished first with 65 00:16:40.480 --> 00:16:42.856 points. Their nearest rival being 00:16:42.880 --> 00:16:44.776 Newcastle City Council was a country 00:16:44.800 --> 00:16:47.576 mile behind them with 33 points. So our 00:16:47.600 --> 00:16:50.600 guys nearly double Newcastle. Um I 00:16:51.600 --> 00:16:54.600 for one take great joy in that. Um, I 00:16:55.920 --> 00:16:58.296 actually had a number of Newcastle 00:16:58.320 --> 00:17:01.320 city councilors texting me during the 00:17:01.600 --> 00:17:04.216 the actual event and like, "How's it 00:17:04.240 --> 00:17:05.496 going?" I'm like, "We're killing you. 00:17:05.520 --> 00:17:07.015 We're killing you. We're killing you." 00:17:07.039 --> 00:17:10.039 So, um, hats off to all of the surfers. 00:17:10.480 --> 00:17:13.015 They did incredibly well. This, 00:17:13.039 --> 00:17:15.576 victory, I think, is second. This, 00:17:15.600 --> 00:17:17.576 they've gone back to back, so two in a 00:17:17.600 --> 00:17:20.535 row. And I believe they've won six out 00:17:20.559 --> 00:17:23.256 of the last eight years as well. So, 00:17:23.280 --> 00:17:25.415 they're an incredibly you know, 00:17:25.439 --> 00:17:28.439 dominant and um fantastic surfers. They 00:17:28.880 --> 00:17:31.336 do lifeguard stuff on the side, I think. 00:17:31.360 --> 00:17:33.496 Um but no, they really are second to 00:17:33.520 --> 00:17:36.520 none. Um the Evolution Cup is not just 00:17:37.520 --> 00:17:39.176 about surfing, though. It's also about 00:17:39.200 --> 00:17:42.200 raising money for and fundraising. 00:17:43.200 --> 00:17:46.200 So, it's yeah, also a really important 00:17:46.240 --> 00:17:48.856 initiative. So the event supports local 00:17:48.880 --> 00:17:51.416 charities and for the past 3 years as I 00:17:51.440 --> 00:17:54.056 understand it the charity has been hope 00:17:54.080 --> 00:17:57.080 in a suitcase. a organization that 00:17:57.760 --> 00:18:00.760 empowers children entering out of home 00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:03.799 care by providing them with you know 00:18:03.919 --> 00:18:06.616 suitcases filled with with personal 00:18:06.640 --> 00:18:09.496 items. So congratulations to all of the 00:18:09.520 --> 00:18:11.256 lifeguards for their outstanding 00:18:11.280 --> 00:18:13.416 achievement and ongoing commitment to 00:18:13.440 --> 00:18:16.440 community causes causes. Um, we do have 00:18:16.799 --> 00:18:19.416 James and Jacob here. We were hoping to 00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:22.056 have the trophy, but that's in 00:18:22.080 --> 00:18:24.936 transit. So, um, I do have a couple of 00:18:24.960 --> 00:18:26.535 certificates. if you'd both like to come 00:18:26.559 --> 00:18:28.296 forward and receive those 00:18:28.320 --> 00:18:29.816 certificates and maybe say a few words 00:18:29.840 --> 00:18:32.840 on your illustrious victory. 00:19:11.280 --> 00:19:14.280 They're 00:19:23.360 --> 00:19:26.136 having fun with them 00:19:26.160 --> 00:19:28.456 organizations. 00:19:28.480 --> 00:19:31.480 That's great. 00:19:33.360 --> 00:19:36.360 Fantastic. Anything to add? 00:19:39.200 --> 00:19:40.775 Excellent. Well, thank you. Hopefully 00:19:40.799 --> 00:19:42.696 another victory next year. No pressure. 00:19:42.720 --> 00:19:45.720 Um but yeah, congratulations. Well done. 00:19:59.360 --> 00:20:01.176 council, there's a bit of a change of 00:20:01.200 --> 00:20:04.200 pace now from surfing. so the 2025 00:20:06.160 --> 00:20:09.160 Australasian reporting awards the gold 00:20:09.280 --> 00:20:12.280 award for late mccquaryy's annual 00:20:12.320 --> 00:20:13.895 report. 00:20:13.919 --> 00:20:16.136 Um so this is effectively our second 00:20:16.160 --> 00:20:18.136 presentation for this evening. We have 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:20.456 council's coordinator and corporate 00:20:20.480 --> 00:20:22.696 liaison Jenny Donaldson who's well known 00:20:22.720 --> 00:20:25.655 to all of us and our content specialist 00:20:25.679 --> 00:20:28.056 Caitlyn Parr joining us here tonight to 00:20:28.080 --> 00:20:31.080 share yeah effectively the gold award 00:20:31.360 --> 00:20:34.360 at the 2025 Australasia 00:20:34.880 --> 00:20:36.696 reporting awards that late mccquary 00:20:36.720 --> 00:20:39.416 received for that annual report. the 00:20:39.440 --> 00:20:41.976 awards provide organizations with the 00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:44.216 opportunity to benchmark their annual 00:20:44.240 --> 00:20:46.535 reports against peers and industry 00:20:46.559 --> 00:20:49.496 standards. The focus of the awards is on 00:20:49.520 --> 00:20:51.416 the quality and completeness of 00:20:51.440 --> 00:20:54.440 performance reporting. How well an 00:20:54.720 --> 00:20:57.256 organization communicates its outcomes, 00:20:57.280 --> 00:20:59.976 achievements, and impact. Strong 00:21:00.000 --> 00:21:02.296 reporting obviously builds trust and 00:21:02.320 --> 00:21:04.856 transparency with within our community 00:21:04.880 --> 00:21:06.775 and stakeholders. 00:21:06.799 --> 00:21:09.576 for council, it's a way of us clearly 00:21:09.600 --> 00:21:12.056 demonstrating the values that we seek 00:21:12.080 --> 00:21:15.080 to uphold here in the community. This is 00:21:15.200 --> 00:21:17.256 the fourth year that I believe we've 00:21:17.280 --> 00:21:20.280 entered the awards and yeah, proud to 00:21:20.640 --> 00:21:22.775 share that we received the gold award 00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:25.655 again, second in a row. So, um we're 00:21:25.679 --> 00:21:28.376 going back to back in this one as well. 00:21:28.400 --> 00:21:31.096 Congratulations to all staff involved in 00:21:31.120 --> 00:21:33.576 preparing the report. obviously reflects 00:21:33.600 --> 00:21:35.336 that commitment to transparency, 00:21:35.360 --> 00:21:37.176 accountability, and excellence in 00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:39.736 governance. I'll ask Jenny and Caitlyn 00:21:39.760 --> 00:21:42.376 to come forward. and yeah, if they'd 00:21:42.400 --> 00:21:44.535 like to say a few words as well, that'd 00:21:44.559 --> 00:21:47.559 be great. 00:22:55.039 --> 00:22:58.039 Get this off the top. 00:23:03.120 --> 00:23:04.775 So 00:23:04.799 --> 00:23:07.655 first up, meril minute. tonight we 00:23:07.679 --> 00:23:10.679 will have one meril minute which is item 00:23:11.039 --> 00:23:13.976 25mm05 00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:17.000 determination of development application 00:23:17.280 --> 00:23:18.775 DA 00:23:18.799 --> 00:23:20.696 2178 00:23:20.720 --> 00:23:23.720 2018 G--450 Bushell Ridge Road. 00:23:27.120 --> 00:23:30.120 Um, so I might 00:23:32.080 --> 00:23:33.976 speak to that very briefly. 00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:36.456 councilors, as outlined in the meal 00:23:36.480 --> 00:23:38.775 minute, I'd like us to determine this 00:23:38.799 --> 00:23:41.336 development application. And therefore, 00:23:41.360 --> 00:23:44.360 I've put it forward via a a meal minute 00:23:44.960 --> 00:23:47.416 to call up the development application 00:23:47.440 --> 00:23:50.440 for council to determine. 00:23:50.480 --> 00:23:53.096 Um, as it's a meal minute, I don't need 00:23:53.120 --> 00:23:56.120 a seconder. Um, but is if there's any 00:23:56.480 --> 00:23:58.376 other councils who'd like to speak to 00:23:58.400 --> 00:24:01.400 that before I I put that item up, now is 00:24:01.919 --> 00:24:04.919 the time. 00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:09.240 Don't rush at once. Okay. There being 00:24:09.760 --> 00:24:12.535 no further speakers, I will put 00:24:12.559 --> 00:24:14.856 25mm05 00:24:14.880 --> 00:24:17.416 determination of development application 00:24:17.440 --> 00:24:19.895 DA2178 00:24:19.919 --> 00:24:22.616 2018 G--450 00:24:22.640 --> 00:24:25.336 Bushell Ridge Road. 00:24:25.360 --> 00:24:28.216 obviously moved by myself and we'll 00:24:28.240 --> 00:24:30.775 do this via a show of hands. All those 00:24:30.799 --> 00:24:33.799 in favor, please raise your hand. 00:24:34.080 --> 00:24:36.936 in favor, Deputy Mayor Antcliff, 00:24:36.960 --> 00:24:38.936 Councelor Grig, Councelor Conroy, 00:24:38.960 --> 00:24:41.736 Councelor Bishop, Councelor Warner, 00:24:41.760 --> 00:24:43.576 Council Pauling, Councelor Swinsburg, 00:24:43.600 --> 00:24:45.336 Councelor Buckley, Councelor Schultz, 00:24:45.360 --> 00:24:47.976 Councelor Radcliffe, Mayor Adam Schultz, 00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:49.336 those against, there being no 00:24:49.360 --> 00:24:51.015 opposition, I declare it carried 00:24:51.039 --> 00:24:54.039 unanimously. thank you, councilors. 00:24:59.440 --> 00:25:01.816 councilors, the next item on the 00:25:01.840 --> 00:25:04.056 agenda is the recommendations of the 00:25:04.080 --> 00:25:06.135 standing committees. 00:25:06.159 --> 00:25:09.159 so I note that we have minutes from 00:25:10.000 --> 00:25:11.895 three standing committees held on the 00:25:11.919 --> 00:25:14.919 10th of June 2025. 00:25:15.039 --> 00:25:18.039 As per clause 9.1 of the code of meeting 00:25:18.559 --> 00:25:21.015 practice, council can resolve to adopt 00:25:21.039 --> 00:25:23.496 multiple items of business on the agenda 00:25:23.520 --> 00:25:26.520 by way of a single resolution, that 00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:28.696 being the built natural asset standing 00:25:28.720 --> 00:25:30.456 committee, service delivery standing 00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:33.015 committee, and general business standing 00:25:33.039 --> 00:25:35.015 committee. Can I get an indication as to 00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:38.039 if anyone wants to to speak or they're 00:25:38.400 --> 00:25:40.296 happy to move in that direction? 00:25:40.320 --> 00:25:42.135 Councelor Grigg, you're happy to move in 00:25:42.159 --> 00:25:45.159 that direction. Oh yeah, sorry. 00:25:46.880 --> 00:25:48.775 Okay. Which item did you want to speak 00:25:48.799 --> 00:25:51.799 on? 00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:53.655 BNA 00:25:53.679 --> 00:25:56.679 03. Which is a service delivery item. 00:25:58.720 --> 00:26:01.720 Oh, sorry. Oh, this one up the top. 00:26:03.520 --> 00:26:06.216 Okay, cool. All right. So, we'll exclude 00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:08.936 that one. How about we move a motion to 00:26:08.960 --> 00:26:11.960 accept the minutes for the service 00:26:12.320 --> 00:26:14.856 delivery standing committee and the 00:26:14.880 --> 00:26:16.696 general business standing committee? 00:26:16.720 --> 00:26:19.255 Comfortable if we do it that way? Yep. 00:26:19.279 --> 00:26:21.096 Excellent. so we're moving that way. 00:26:21.120 --> 00:26:22.775 Councelor Grigg, you're happy to move 00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:24.456 that way. Yep. And I'll look for a 00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:26.696 seconder. Councelor Warner, thank you. 00:26:26.720 --> 00:26:28.056 Councelor Grigg, did you want to speak 00:26:28.080 --> 00:26:30.936 to that item? 00:26:30.960 --> 00:26:33.416 Reserve your right. No worries. there 00:26:33.440 --> 00:26:34.936 doesn't appear to be any further 00:26:34.960 --> 00:26:37.960 speakers on that item. So we will put 00:26:39.600 --> 00:26:40.936 recommendations of the standing 00:26:40.960 --> 00:26:42.616 committees that being the service 00:26:42.640 --> 00:26:44.616 delivery standing committee and general 00:26:44.640 --> 00:26:47.096 business standing committee moved by 00:26:47.120 --> 00:26:49.176 councelor Grigg seconded by councelor 00:26:49.200 --> 00:26:51.096 Warner and we'll do that via a show of 00:26:51.120 --> 00:26:53.255 hands. All those in favor please raise 00:26:53.279 --> 00:26:55.496 your hand. In favor, Deputy Mayor 00:26:55.520 --> 00:26:57.496 Antcliff, Councelor Grigg, Councelor 00:26:57.520 --> 00:26:59.576 Conroy, Councelor Bishop, Councelor 00:26:59.600 --> 00:27:02.376 Warner, Councelor Pauling, Councelor 00:27:02.400 --> 00:27:04.616 Swinsburg, Councel Buckley, Councelor 00:27:04.640 --> 00:27:07.015 Schultz, Council Radcliffe, Mayor Adam 00:27:07.039 --> 00:27:09.015 Schultz. Those against, there being no 00:27:09.039 --> 00:27:11.895 opposition, I declare it carried. 00:27:11.919 --> 00:27:14.919 thank you, councilors. so we have one 00:27:16.559 --> 00:27:19.559 or item being the minutes from the built 00:27:19.840 --> 00:27:22.840 natural asset standing committee. 00:27:22.960 --> 00:27:25.255 again which was held on the 10th of 00:27:25.279 --> 00:27:27.816 June. councelor Pauling indicated 00:27:27.840 --> 00:27:29.736 that he would like to speak on that 00:27:29.760 --> 00:27:32.135 matter. Before he does, does someone 00:27:32.159 --> 00:27:35.159 want to move that they be accepted? 00:27:36.080 --> 00:27:37.496 happy to move that way. Councelor 00:27:37.520 --> 00:27:40.216 Buckley. thank you. Seconded. Councelor 00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:43.240 Schultz. thank you. 00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:45.576 councelor Buckley, did you want to speak 00:27:45.600 --> 00:27:46.936 as the mover? Are you happy to reserve 00:27:46.960 --> 00:27:49.960 your right? No worries. councelor 00:27:50.159 --> 00:27:52.775 Pauling, do you want to use the this one 00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:55.799 as well? But happy as in we're using the 00:27:56.399 --> 00:27:59.399 IT Q function if you can, 00:28:01.360 --> 00:28:03.176 but you can also put your hand up. We 00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:06.056 can do it multi multi-ways. 00:28:06.080 --> 00:28:08.535 So, over to you, councelor Pauling. 00:28:08.559 --> 00:28:09.576 thank you, Mr Mayor I thought it was 00:28:09.600 --> 00:28:10.856 coming to me by default, but it's all 00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:13.880 good. Um, councilors will require I 00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:15.895 don't think you were here, Mr Mayor 00:28:15.919 --> 00:28:17.496 No, I wasn't. Um but I spoke about this 00:28:17.520 --> 00:28:19.895 one quite at length at the committee 00:28:19.919 --> 00:28:21.895 session and there's been quite a bit of 00:28:21.919 --> 00:28:23.816 interest from the community since then 00:28:23.840 --> 00:28:26.056 which is let me take some deeper 00:28:26.080 --> 00:28:27.655 reflection. So there's a couple of 00:28:27.679 --> 00:28:29.496 things I'd like to expand upon and I'd 00:28:29.520 --> 00:28:31.015 ask my other counselors fellow 00:28:31.039 --> 00:28:33.496 counselors to consider. U first of all 00:28:33.520 --> 00:28:36.056 one of one of the criticisms put against 00:28:36.080 --> 00:28:39.015 my initial opposition to this was the 00:28:39.039 --> 00:28:42.039 basis of a concept of growth. You know 00:28:42.880 --> 00:28:44.856 can I just I'll just pause you there for 00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:46.696 a sec. I'm just conscious that we're 00:28:46.720 --> 00:28:49.176 just effectively affirming the minutes 00:28:49.200 --> 00:28:51.416 rather than reopening and debating the 00:28:51.440 --> 00:28:53.655 issue. Is that is that what we're doing 00:28:53.679 --> 00:28:56.679 here? No, I'd like to re I'm relating 00:28:56.799 --> 00:28:58.135 the issue. Okay. You want to debate the 00:28:58.159 --> 00:29:00.135 issue? All right. Cool. Um and and I'd 00:29:00.159 --> 00:29:01.576 also foreshadow a potential amendment 00:29:01.600 --> 00:29:03.736 too. All right. That may firm up as we 00:29:03.760 --> 00:29:06.535 go, Mr Mayor so first of all there 00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:08.375 there's a there was some criticism 00:29:08.399 --> 00:29:10.216 labeled I think at council generally 00:29:10.240 --> 00:29:13.015 about council's growth targets and this 00:29:13.039 --> 00:29:15.255 particular function and there being a an 00:29:15.279 --> 00:29:17.576 incomp incompatibility between council 00:29:17.600 --> 00:29:20.600 wanting to work on a resilience plan 00:29:20.640 --> 00:29:22.775 whilst simultaneously supporting growth 00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:24.135 targets which I don't think is fair 00:29:24.159 --> 00:29:25.496 criticism. So I just want to push that 00:29:25.520 --> 00:29:27.416 aside. They are very different things. 00:29:27.440 --> 00:29:30.440 We all want resilient adaptable 00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:32.775 communities focused on well-being. There 00:29:32.799 --> 00:29:35.255 is no doubt about that. 00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:37.576 That said, I really didn't like the 00:29:37.600 --> 00:29:40.600 report very much in terms of um how it 00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:43.799 was presented in the depth and I think 00:29:43.919 --> 00:29:45.655 it was a missed opportunity, Mr. Mayor, 00:29:45.679 --> 00:29:47.816 and I'm hoping that that plays out in 00:29:47.840 --> 00:29:49.895 terms of where things are. So, if if 00:29:49.919 --> 00:29:51.336 you will indulge me, I don't know that 00:29:51.360 --> 00:29:52.696 other councilors have a copy of the 00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:54.616 report in front of them anymore, but but 00:29:54.640 --> 00:29:56.456 I'll go back to that. I'll start with 00:29:56.480 --> 00:29:59.480 the name Troto Climate Resilience Plan. 00:29:59.679 --> 00:30:02.296 I I think this is miles too narrow. I'm 00:30:02.320 --> 00:30:05.320 not real sure where that name came from, 00:30:05.679 --> 00:30:07.895 but I think it's a bit of a misnomer. 00:30:07.919 --> 00:30:10.135 And in relation to that, I refer to in 00:30:10.159 --> 00:30:12.296 the previous report um that was put 00:30:12.320 --> 00:30:15.255 before us, Detachment One has quite 00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:18.279 extensive commentary on page 27 in 00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:22.440 relation to socioeconomic vulnerability. 00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:25.496 And here um I I give the special gong to 00:30:25.520 --> 00:30:27.416 Toronto that has a number of highest 00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:30.440 exposures in terms of risk, flooding, 00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:33.559 lake lake level rise, bushfire and 00:30:34.640 --> 00:30:37.640 socio social risk and a medium 00:30:38.240 --> 00:30:40.535 exposure from economic and and what we 00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:43.559 decided to say about um Toronto was low 00:30:43.679 --> 00:30:45.416 total family income, high proportion of 00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:46.696 home ownership, second highest 00:30:46.720 --> 00:30:48.375 proportion of the population greater 00:30:48.399 --> 00:30:51.336 than 75 years. I'm struggling to see 00:30:51.360 --> 00:30:54.216 some of the the nexus between the 00:30:54.240 --> 00:30:57.240 Toronto climate resilience plan and some 00:30:58.000 --> 00:31:00.056 of these other elements. And I think we 00:31:00.080 --> 00:31:01.576 like once again I have no issue with 00:31:01.600 --> 00:31:03.416 being adaptable. I have no issue with 00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:05.895 being resilient. I have no issue with 00:31:05.919 --> 00:31:08.056 supporting our 00:31:08.080 --> 00:31:11.015 residents planning getting ready to deal 00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:14.039 with things. Um, but I'm going to 00:31:14.559 --> 00:31:15.895 highlight very much this climate 00:31:15.919 --> 00:31:18.919 resilience is a very very narrow target 00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:21.576 for what this document is called. I 00:31:21.600 --> 00:31:23.015 think that we missed an opportunity 00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:24.375 there, but I'll get to that in due 00:31:24.399 --> 00:31:27.336 course. Next thing, I was critical 00:31:27.360 --> 00:31:29.015 of some of the actions and and I've gone 00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:30.056 back and looked at them. I've been 00:31:30.080 --> 00:31:31.496 challenged by fellow counselors and I've 00:31:31.520 --> 00:31:33.336 gone back and looked at them and a lot 00:31:33.360 --> 00:31:36.360 of the actions are facilitate, 00:31:36.399 --> 00:31:39.336 review, review state and federal policy. 00:31:39.360 --> 00:31:40.775 I would hope to think we're doing those 00:31:40.799 --> 00:31:43.176 sorts of things anyway. Review and 00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:45.895 monitor. implement some stream bank 00:31:45.919 --> 00:31:47.816 stabilization. Once again, I would hope 00:31:47.840 --> 00:31:50.375 we would do this with our in our 00:31:50.399 --> 00:31:53.399 stewardship of our water courses. 00:31:53.760 --> 00:31:55.976 investigate structural support 00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:58.216 adaptation, investigate feasibility, 00:31:58.240 --> 00:31:59.976 investigate feasibility, investigate 00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:02.936 feasibility. At a very high level, this 00:32:02.960 --> 00:32:05.576 document really restates a lot of the 00:32:05.600 --> 00:32:07.495 things that I would expect us to be 00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:10.456 doing anyway. And in that regard, I 00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:12.616 remain critical of the document. I hope 00:32:12.640 --> 00:32:14.936 that residents do take the chance to 00:32:14.960 --> 00:32:17.416 make comment on this as I suspect 00:32:17.440 --> 00:32:19.576 it's probably going to go out for 00:32:19.600 --> 00:32:22.600 review. But in the last two weeks, well, 00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:24.936 last three weeks since we we dealt with 00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:27.655 this, um the challenges that have been 00:32:27.679 --> 00:32:30.679 put to me have had me rethinking things. 00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:32.375 In that regard, I don't know that I do 00:32:32.399 --> 00:32:34.535 support it going out anymore. I don't 00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:36.456 think it deserves universal support. Is 00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:37.655 that four? That's one minute ago. 00:32:37.679 --> 00:32:40.679 Awesome. Um, against that backdrop, I I 00:32:40.880 --> 00:32:43.255 might test the waters, Mr. Mayor, 00:32:43.279 --> 00:32:46.279 and move an alternative, sorry, move 00:32:46.559 --> 00:32:49.559 an amendment. Move an amendment that 00:32:49.679 --> 00:32:52.679 council rename the Talabberta to Toronto 00:32:53.840 --> 00:32:56.840 Climate Resilience Plan, the Toala to 00:32:57.760 --> 00:33:00.696 Toronto Natural Disaster 00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:03.495 and 00:33:03.519 --> 00:33:06.519 Community Resilience Plan. 00:33:07.600 --> 00:33:10.600 And as a part B, review the document 00:33:11.919 --> 00:33:14.919 in full 00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:22.039 in preparation for public exhibition at 00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:26.135 a future date. All right. And I look for 00:33:26.159 --> 00:33:27.816 a second. Yeah, we'll look for a second. 00:33:27.840 --> 00:33:30.375 And I might just seek advice of the CEO 00:33:30.399 --> 00:33:33.399 renaming council documents. I haven't 00:33:34.159 --> 00:33:37.159 come across it in my my time. So, over 00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:40.519 to you, U CEO. 00:33:41.840 --> 00:33:44.216 You might want the mic once you get to 00:33:44.240 --> 00:33:47.240 go. 00:34:03.919 --> 00:34:05.655 thank you, Mr Mayor My apologies. I 00:34:05.679 --> 00:34:08.679 needed a um a a moment to see it written 00:34:09.359 --> 00:34:12.359 and also to process it. Um 00:34:14.720 --> 00:34:16.456 the fact that we've been planning to 00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:17.895 prepare the planet with its current 00:34:17.919 --> 00:34:20.776 title um has been in council's 00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:22.855 operational plan for a couple of years. 00:34:22.879 --> 00:34:25.496 But having said that, there's absolutely 00:34:25.520 --> 00:34:28.520 no um there's no legal reason why we 00:34:28.960 --> 00:34:31.895 can't change the plan. Um, I would just 00:34:31.919 --> 00:34:34.919 add if I may that we change it to the 00:34:35.119 --> 00:34:38.119 Trello to Teralba to Toronto natural 00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:41.320 disaster and community resilience plan. 00:34:41.520 --> 00:34:43.976 Um, because it is very geographically 00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:46.615 specific. Um, so obviously have to ask 00:34:46.639 --> 00:34:48.375 if councelor Pauling is willing to take 00:34:48.399 --> 00:34:50.696 that. Oh, sorry. I thought that was 00:34:50.720 --> 00:34:52.536 implied. If I didn't say it, I said that 00:34:52.560 --> 00:34:54.855 in my head. No, the intention is it be 00:34:54.879 --> 00:34:57.016 to Toronto natural disaster and 00:34:57.040 --> 00:34:59.656 community resilience plan. 00:34:59.680 --> 00:35:01.256 There's no reason why that can't be 00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:03.896 done. Mr. Mayor, thank you. thank 00:35:03.920 --> 00:35:06.920 you, CEO Morgan Cameron. look for a 00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:09.575 second, 00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:11.736 Council Grigg. Yep. Council Polling, 00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:14.696 would you like to speak to it? 00:35:14.720 --> 00:35:17.176 I might reserve that. thank you, Mr. 00:35:17.200 --> 00:35:18.696 Mayor. I I don't know that that needs to 00:35:18.720 --> 00:35:21.016 be spoken to, per se. I'm happy to 00:35:21.040 --> 00:35:23.575 reserve. Is there anyone else looking 00:35:23.599 --> 00:35:25.416 for the call or we'll we'll put it 00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:28.440 because councelor Schultz. 00:35:30.240 --> 00:35:33.240 thank you, Mr Mayor I will speak to 00:35:33.359 --> 00:35:36.359 it in in principle at the moment. Um 00:35:37.359 --> 00:35:38.936 because in favor is that you're speaking 00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:40.776 in favor? So in principle at the moment 00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:43.800 in favor um particularly because some of 00:35:44.240 --> 00:35:46.216 the comments I was going to make with 00:35:46.240 --> 00:35:48.696 regards to the original motion were 00:35:48.720 --> 00:35:50.296 around the language that we're using. 00:35:50.320 --> 00:35:52.456 One of the things I am concerned about 00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:55.480 is climate alarmism. Whilst I 00:35:55.839 --> 00:35:57.416 acknowledge that there are climate 00:35:57.440 --> 00:35:59.736 risks, whether we need to be calling it 00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:02.216 a climate resilience plan when it's the 00:36:02.240 --> 00:36:04.136 community and the assets that are 00:36:04.160 --> 00:36:06.376 resilient not necessarily the 00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:08.616 climate, the climate is causing the 00:36:08.640 --> 00:36:11.640 risks and the hazards. So, in 00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:14.760 principle there on that, part of the 00:36:15.040 --> 00:36:17.256 amendment, I am supportive of looking at 00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:19.256 a rename. 00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:22.280 With regards to, the other 00:36:22.640 --> 00:36:25.640 criticisms, I'm not as critical of the 00:36:26.880 --> 00:36:29.656 report as was put to us at the 00:36:29.680 --> 00:36:32.680 committee. Um, councelor Pauling alluded 00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:34.776 to a counselor who was challenging him 00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:37.800 around a few aspects. I am said council 00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:40.696 or one of said councils that I know of 00:36:40.720 --> 00:36:42.136 that was challenging him because I 00:36:42.160 --> 00:36:44.376 believe there are substantive actions 00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:47.400 listed from pages 30 through 38 which 00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:50.599 are clear for staff to action should 00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:54.920 um this eventually um go to be the 00:36:56.880 --> 00:36:59.880 plan and thirdly it's going out it was 00:37:00.240 --> 00:37:03.240 going out for review for public and 00:37:03.520 --> 00:37:06.296 comment from the community and and some 00:37:06.320 --> 00:37:08.776 the concerns that were raised around a 00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:11.656 smaller group of people um com 00:37:11.680 --> 00:37:13.416 contributing to the formation through 00:37:13.440 --> 00:37:16.440 the community consultation which had 00:37:16.560 --> 00:37:19.095 particular interests. That's why I was 00:37:19.119 --> 00:37:21.335 supportive of the motion at the 00:37:21.359 --> 00:37:22.776 committee with regards to going to 00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:25.256 public exhibition so that the broader 00:37:25.280 --> 00:37:28.280 community could also have their um 00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:32.376 their 00:37:32.400 --> 00:37:35.400 say. thank you. I feel like I was in 00:37:35.520 --> 00:37:38.520 class there student words in building. 00:37:38.560 --> 00:37:41.560 so that's where I'm a little bit 00:37:41.680 --> 00:37:44.680 more hesitant with regards to be and 00:37:45.359 --> 00:37:47.896 supporting the second part of it because 00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:50.920 I was of the opinion that the 00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:53.416 original motion would allow for 00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:56.376 commentary with regards to that. And 00:37:56.400 --> 00:37:59.400 the final um aspect that I was going to 00:37:59.680 --> 00:38:02.680 comment on with regards to this is I 00:38:03.440 --> 00:38:05.256 have also been concerned about some of 00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:07.176 the public commentary that has come as a 00:38:07.200 --> 00:38:10.200 result of our committee 00:38:11.119 --> 00:38:12.936 recommendation 00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:15.095 with particular regards to the growth 00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:17.416 piece and the city. it was addressed 00:38:17.440 --> 00:38:20.296 at the housing forum that you organized 00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:22.696 for us Mr. Mayor through the demographer 00:38:22.720 --> 00:38:25.720 that we do need to address demographic 00:38:25.920 --> 00:38:28.920 aspects of our planning and our future. 00:38:29.119 --> 00:38:31.976 Therefore, it is important and it's not 00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:34.456 growth for growth's sake. It's growth 00:38:34.480 --> 00:38:37.480 for the important economic imperatives 00:38:37.520 --> 00:38:39.736 that are needed for our city going 00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:41.575 forward. And so some of that commentary 00:38:41.599 --> 00:38:44.216 that has been out in the public domain 00:38:44.240 --> 00:38:46.936 is of concern for me which goes back to 00:38:46.960 --> 00:38:49.960 the alarmism in the original title. 00:38:50.720 --> 00:38:52.456 thank you Mr Mayor thank you councelor 00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:55.095 Schultz. I had a question to staff um 00:38:55.119 --> 00:38:58.119 just in terms of the other similar 00:38:58.560 --> 00:39:00.376 initiatives. I believe there's been one 00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:03.400 at Swansy with the Swansy adaptation 00:39:03.760 --> 00:39:06.616 plan and the Pelican 00:39:06.640 --> 00:39:09.575 adaptation plan or what is the language 00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:11.976 that we've used in those instances and 00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:15.000 is it different to what's being proposed 00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:18.760 here you know like for like 00:39:21.839 --> 00:39:24.839 u Mr. Kaler through you Mr. Mayor, the 00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:27.815 Swansy and Marks Point plans were 00:39:27.839 --> 00:39:29.815 called local adaptation plans and there 00:39:29.839 --> 00:39:32.839 was a decision to change to climate 00:39:33.520 --> 00:39:35.496 resilience to provide a little bit more 00:39:35.520 --> 00:39:37.815 um to be a bit clearer about what the 00:39:37.839 --> 00:39:40.296 plan's actually about. 00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:42.136 Okay. 00:39:42.160 --> 00:39:44.936 thank you. councelor Pauling, you're 00:39:44.960 --> 00:39:47.176 next on the list if you want to speak. 00:39:47.200 --> 00:39:48.536 thank you, Mr Mayor In the excitement, 00:39:48.560 --> 00:39:51.095 I got distracted. Um so I I will go back 00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:53.335 and speak in favor of the amendment. um 00:39:53.359 --> 00:39:55.976 and particularly part B as part of that 00:39:56.000 --> 00:39:57.976 I'll put some questions to staff in that 00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:01.000 on page 56 of the document there was 00:40:01.119 --> 00:40:04.119 discussion in relation to heatwave risk 00:40:04.240 --> 00:40:06.776 there is a comment that notes that major 00:40:06.800 --> 00:40:08.936 heat waves have caused more deaths since 00:40:08.960 --> 00:40:11.575 1890 and I I presume I'm reading that 00:40:11.599 --> 00:40:14.456 correctly 1890 than bushfires cyclones 00:40:14.480 --> 00:40:16.216 earthquakes floods and severe storms 00:40:16.240 --> 00:40:18.696 combined so heat risk is definitely a 00:40:18.720 --> 00:40:20.696 problem to us at the bottom of that page 00:40:20.720 --> 00:40:23.720 there's a table that says 2020 12 days a 00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:27.960 year over 35° and it predicts that in 00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:31.656 2030 there will be an additional 5 days 00:40:31.680 --> 00:40:34.680 being 17 days a year over 35°. 00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:36.776 I took it upon myself to do a little bit 00:40:36.800 --> 00:40:38.296 of research. So I put the question to 00:40:38.320 --> 00:40:40.776 staff where they got that from because 00:40:40.800 --> 00:40:42.776 the temperature data from the Bureau of 00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:45.256 Meteorology in relation to Kurbong 00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:46.856 doesn't seem to support those numbers in 00:40:46.880 --> 00:40:48.055 the slightest. But I'll come back to 00:40:48.079 --> 00:40:50.536 that once staff have responded. thank 00:40:50.560 --> 00:40:53.560 you. councelor calendar 00:40:54.079 --> 00:40:56.936 counselor calendar Mr. Calendar Mr. 00:40:56.960 --> 00:40:59.815 Calendar go to Mr. Calendar 00:40:59.839 --> 00:41:01.736 through you Mr Mayor there was a 00:41:01.760 --> 00:41:03.976 baseline thermal assessment which is 00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:05.815 noted at the bottom of that page which 00:41:05.839 --> 00:41:07.815 identifies where those figures were um 00:41:07.839 --> 00:41:10.839 derived from. 00:41:11.040 --> 00:41:13.016 Any further follow up on that one? No, 00:41:13.040 --> 00:41:14.696 I'm I'm happy to take that response, Mr. 00:41:14.720 --> 00:41:16.776 Mayor. But I I did go to Bureau of 00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:18.936 Meteorology page. I downloaded a report. 00:41:18.960 --> 00:41:20.616 It's quite easy. There's a little box 00:41:20.640 --> 00:41:22.136 that says, "Show me all the days from 00:41:22.160 --> 00:41:25.095 Kuran Bong um that are greater than 35." 00:41:25.119 --> 00:41:28.119 And then I counted them. And so in 2020, 00:41:28.240 --> 00:41:31.240 there were eight such days. In 2021, 00:41:32.160 --> 00:41:35.160 there were two such days. In 2022, there 00:41:36.640 --> 00:41:39.640 were zero such days. In 2023, there were 00:41:41.440 --> 00:41:44.440 seven. In 2024, there were nine. And in 00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:48.920 2025, thus far, there have been five. 00:41:49.119 --> 00:41:51.815 Um, I call into question the validity of 00:41:51.839 --> 00:41:54.136 some of the claims made in the report in 00:41:54.160 --> 00:41:56.696 relation that it very clearly says 2020 00:41:56.720 --> 00:41:59.720 12 days per year over 35 projected to be 00:42:00.160 --> 00:42:03.160 by 2030 17 days per year over 35. 2030 00:42:05.520 --> 00:42:08.136 is not very far away. I'm looking very 00:42:08.160 --> 00:42:10.136 I'm looking very much forward to seeing 00:42:10.160 --> 00:42:12.536 how that plays out over a fairly short 00:42:12.560 --> 00:42:14.936 period of time given that the data over 00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:16.856 the last four to five years from the 00:42:16.880 --> 00:42:18.936 Bureau of Meteorology stationed at 00:42:18.960 --> 00:42:21.256 Kurbong does not appear to support it. 00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:23.496 Accordingly, Mr. Mayor, I think it's 00:42:23.520 --> 00:42:26.055 worthwhile that this report be reviewed 00:42:26.079 --> 00:42:29.079 in its entirety. thank you. 00:42:29.119 --> 00:42:32.119 thank you, Councelor. councelor 00:42:32.319 --> 00:42:35.095 Anliffe. thank you, Mr Mayor I 00:42:35.119 --> 00:42:36.616 probably find myself on the opposite 00:42:36.640 --> 00:42:39.640 side of the amendment. Um, in the first 00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:41.176 instance, I don't know how I managed to 00:42:41.200 --> 00:42:43.095 put an A in the chat, but anyway, we'll 00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:46.119 move past that. It worked. Um, I was in 00:42:46.480 --> 00:42:49.176 the chair three weeks ago while while 00:42:49.200 --> 00:42:51.416 you were away and did a good job by all 00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:53.815 accounts as well and saw this one 00:42:53.839 --> 00:42:56.216 through. For me, this is us putting this 00:42:56.240 --> 00:42:58.776 out on public exhibition. I think when 00:42:58.800 --> 00:43:00.616 we talk about informed decision-m, it's 00:43:00.640 --> 00:43:02.055 about letting our community tell us what 00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:05.079 they really think. Um, if if there's 00:43:05.119 --> 00:43:08.119 that much discomfort and outrage over a 00:43:08.560 --> 00:43:11.176 name, then let's have the community tell 00:43:11.200 --> 00:43:14.200 us that. We're a city of 220,000 people 00:43:14.560 --> 00:43:17.560 in 90 small towns and villages. Um, I 00:43:17.599 --> 00:43:19.575 want to hear from them. I also don't 00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:22.295 want this room, and I appreciate I'm 00:43:22.319 --> 00:43:23.656 playing into it as well, but I don't 00:43:23.680 --> 00:43:26.055 want this room to be a a slanging match 00:43:26.079 --> 00:43:27.976 over the name of a policy. I'd rather 00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:29.656 the community tell us whether they agree 00:43:29.680 --> 00:43:32.055 or don't agree with the items in there. 00:43:32.079 --> 00:43:34.295 when it comes back to us in due time, 00:43:34.319 --> 00:43:36.456 then I think we have a discussion on 00:43:36.480 --> 00:43:38.856 whether it is truly fit for purpose or 00:43:38.880 --> 00:43:40.936 whether it is not. But we do that with 00:43:40.960 --> 00:43:42.856 the community's dec community's input 00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:44.376 and the community in mind. thank you, 00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:46.696 Mr Mayor thank you, Deputy Mayor 00:43:46.720 --> 00:43:49.720 Anliffe. councelor Conroy. 00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:54.376 thank you, Mr Mayor In the first 00:43:54.400 --> 00:43:55.736 instance, I have a question for 00:43:55.760 --> 00:43:57.815 councelor Pauling if he's willing to 00:43:57.839 --> 00:44:00.376 answer, which is um to better understand 00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:03.176 what review the document in full like 00:44:03.200 --> 00:44:06.200 what part B is. Um you've raised a 00:44:06.319 --> 00:44:09.319 couple of um items that you're not as 00:44:09.359 --> 00:44:11.416 happy 00:44:11.440 --> 00:44:13.976 with, 00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:15.815 but what would the review process 00:44:15.839 --> 00:44:18.839 entail? Would that entail 00:44:19.040 --> 00:44:21.095 staff going back and reviewing? like is 00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:23.176 it merely to edit the document to 00:44:23.200 --> 00:44:26.200 replace that new name of the title or um 00:44:26.319 --> 00:44:28.376 yeah could have a little bit of um 00:44:28.400 --> 00:44:31.016 explanation of of the definition of 00:44:31.040 --> 00:44:34.040 review cuz I think that's a very 00:44:34.240 --> 00:44:36.776 um broad term at the moment council Paul 00:44:36.800 --> 00:44:38.536 you happy to provide that context yeah 00:44:38.560 --> 00:44:40.856 no I'm happy to to respond to that I 00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:43.016 think that as part B I think it does 00:44:43.040 --> 00:44:44.696 need a review in full my expectation 00:44:44.720 --> 00:44:46.456 would be that we go back to the drawing 00:44:46.480 --> 00:44:49.335 board we assess the scope particularly 00:44:49.359 --> 00:44:52.359 in relation to the resident community 00:44:53.839 --> 00:44:56.839 um resilience component. I think the the 00:44:56.960 --> 00:44:59.016 whole process has been sidetracked by 00:44:59.040 --> 00:45:01.976 that climate hysteria and but we want 00:45:02.000 --> 00:45:03.736 resilient communities. That's what we 00:45:03.760 --> 00:45:05.095 want and there's a there is an 00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:06.696 opportunity here to widen the scope for 00:45:06.720 --> 00:45:08.776 the document. Um certainly review some 00:45:08.800 --> 00:45:10.856 of the factual claims. As I said, I 00:45:10.880 --> 00:45:12.776 think I've got reasonable grounds to ask 00:45:12.800 --> 00:45:15.800 for that most certainly u based on the 00:45:15.839 --> 00:45:18.136 inconsistencies we've seen and I think 00:45:18.160 --> 00:45:19.815 we can have more definitive actions 00:45:19.839 --> 00:45:21.736 rather than go and look at state and 00:45:21.760 --> 00:45:24.456 federal policy and see what they say. Um 00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:27.095 that's our job in terms of making 00:45:27.119 --> 00:45:29.815 community centers that are fit for 00:45:29.839 --> 00:45:31.815 purpose in emergency services sorry 00:45:31.839 --> 00:45:34.295 in emergency situations. We have plans 00:45:34.319 --> 00:45:36.295 that work with other agencies to do 00:45:36.319 --> 00:45:38.376 that. Um there is so much of this 00:45:38.400 --> 00:45:39.896 document that I think is just mere 00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:42.295 replications of other things that we are 00:45:42.319 --> 00:45:44.616 doing or we should be doing as 00:45:44.640 --> 00:45:47.640 responsible stewards for the city and 00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:50.456 I'm really disappointed that it has such 00:45:50.480 --> 00:45:52.936 a narrow scope and I think we missed the 00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:54.696 mark and so that's in terms of review 00:45:54.720 --> 00:45:56.456 that's what I would ask. Hopefully 00:45:56.480 --> 00:45:59.016 that's answered councelor Conroy. 00:45:59.040 --> 00:46:02.040 Councelor Conroy. yes thank you. 00:46:02.319 --> 00:46:05.319 answer the um what you're defining part 00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:09.976 B. Um unfortunately, it's probably 00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:12.216 leading me to 00:46:12.240 --> 00:46:14.376 um 00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:15.736 indicate that I believe that the 00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:17.416 committee consultation bit should be 00:46:17.440 --> 00:46:20.440 undertaken um as originally 00:46:21.760 --> 00:46:23.736 voted on in the standing committee. Um 00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:26.136 so I'd be arguing against um the 00:46:26.160 --> 00:46:29.160 amendment that you have proposed. Um I 00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:31.976 think all of those parts as councelor 00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:34.295 Ankliffe have noted um members of the 00:46:34.319 --> 00:46:37.319 public will be able to make 00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:40.760 contributions and raise those issues. 00:46:41.680 --> 00:46:43.335 Um 00:46:43.359 --> 00:46:46.055 I I worry about getting into editing 00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:49.079 documents on the floor of council um 00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:53.496 for each counselor to have their opinion 00:46:53.520 --> 00:46:55.815 on rather than collectively endorsing or 00:46:55.839 --> 00:46:58.055 not endorsing something. So I think um 00:46:58.079 --> 00:46:59.575 I'd be interested in seeing the outcomes 00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:01.256 of that community consultation and would 00:47:01.280 --> 00:47:03.976 encourage all community members not 00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:06.055 just in the Terra and Toronto area but 00:47:06.079 --> 00:47:09.079 particularly in that area um to 00:47:09.520 --> 00:47:12.520 make submissions. Um I think councelor 00:47:12.880 --> 00:47:15.256 Pauling does raise some issues that this 00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:18.280 is a newer model for our climate um 00:47:20.480 --> 00:47:22.456 the original name the climate resilience 00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:24.776 plans and um it is important for 00:47:24.800 --> 00:47:27.800 community members to make statements um 00:47:28.079 --> 00:47:30.376 and put their feedback in on the matters 00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:32.696 of the format of the plan and what it 00:47:32.720 --> 00:47:34.936 addresses as well as the local area 00:47:34.960 --> 00:47:36.936 plans. I think um I would be calling for 00:47:36.960 --> 00:47:39.176 the community and to make those 00:47:39.200 --> 00:47:41.736 contributions and then um would look 00:47:41.760 --> 00:47:43.256 forward to the assessment of those 00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:45.016 contributions when we bring the matter 00:47:45.040 --> 00:47:46.936 back after community consultation. thank 00:47:46.960 --> 00:47:49.960 you. thank you, Council Conroy. is 00:47:50.560 --> 00:47:53.560 there anyone else looking for the call? 00:47:54.640 --> 00:47:57.640 Don't believe there is. I was just 00:47:58.560 --> 00:48:01.560 going to add um 00:48:03.359 --> 00:48:06.055 what's in a name in that I think 00:48:06.079 --> 00:48:09.079 councelor Pauling raises some some good 00:48:09.359 --> 00:48:12.359 points. I envisage if this does go 00:48:12.480 --> 00:48:14.696 out for public exhibition, you can 00:48:14.720 --> 00:48:16.936 provide that feedback via the submission 00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:19.176 process. I personally like the old 00:48:19.200 --> 00:48:22.200 adaptation proposal if it's called 00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:25.960 you know I I don't I just don't think we 00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:28.295 should be getting fixated on on that at 00:48:28.319 --> 00:48:31.176 this point rather as has been said go 00:48:31.200 --> 00:48:32.535 out for the community get the 00:48:32.559 --> 00:48:35.335 consultation get the feedback and then 00:48:35.359 --> 00:48:38.295 move forward um but yeah that's up to 00:48:38.319 --> 00:48:41.319 counselors so councelor Pauling did you 00:48:42.079 --> 00:48:44.456 want your right oh actually it' be 00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:47.480 councelor Buckley who moved the original 00:48:48.800 --> 00:48:51.800 Sorry, 00:48:53.440 --> 00:48:55.575 Councelor Pauling moved the amendment. 00:48:55.599 --> 00:48:58.599 Councelor Grigg seconded it. 00:49:01.119 --> 00:49:02.616 We're going to put the amendment before 00:49:02.640 --> 00:49:04.776 it runs from the motion. Okay, we will 00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:06.456 put it because no one else is looking 00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:09.480 for the call. so the amendment is 00:49:11.680 --> 00:49:13.976 moved by councelor Pauling, seconded by 00:49:14.000 --> 00:49:17.000 councelor Grig. council renamed the 00:49:17.119 --> 00:49:19.896 draft traaba to Toronto climate 00:49:19.920 --> 00:49:22.920 resilience plan to the TABA to Toronto 00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:25.896 Natural Disaster and Community 00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:28.376 Resilience Plan and B review the 00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:31.400 document in full in preparation for 00:49:31.760 --> 00:49:34.760 public exhibition. Moved by Council 00:49:35.200 --> 00:49:37.815 Polling, seconded by Councelor Grig. And 00:49:37.839 --> 00:49:39.575 we'll do that by a show of hands. All 00:49:39.599 --> 00:49:41.416 those in favor of the amendment, please 00:49:41.440 --> 00:49:44.376 raise your hand. In favor, councelor 00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:46.936 Grigg, Council Pauling, Council 00:49:46.960 --> 00:49:49.256 Swinsburg. Those against, please raise 00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:52.136 your hand. Council, Deputy Mayor 00:49:52.160 --> 00:49:54.696 Antcliff, Councelor Conroy, Councelor 00:49:54.720 --> 00:49:56.936 Bishop, Councelor Warner, Councelor 00:49:56.960 --> 00:49:59.416 Buckley, Councelor Schultz, Councelor 00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:02.440 Radcliffe, Mayor Adam Schultz. I 00:50:02.640 --> 00:50:05.640 declare the amendment um, unsuccessful. 00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:10.599 So, we'll go back to the original motion 00:50:10.960 --> 00:50:13.960 which was moved by councelor Buckley 00:50:14.319 --> 00:50:17.319 and seconded by councelor Schultz. 00:50:18.240 --> 00:50:20.216 did either of you want to speak on 00:50:20.240 --> 00:50:21.736 that? Councelor Schultz, you're looking 00:50:21.760 --> 00:50:24.456 for the call. 00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:27.176 thank you, Mr Mayor yes, I would 00:50:27.200 --> 00:50:30.200 like to reiterate there um that I am 00:50:31.040 --> 00:50:34.040 supportive of this original motion. 00:50:34.319 --> 00:50:36.136 However, I do have concerns that were 00:50:36.160 --> 00:50:38.776 raised in the amendment debate, 00:50:38.800 --> 00:50:40.136 particularly around the climate 00:50:40.160 --> 00:50:42.616 alarmism. We've just had heard from 00:50:42.640 --> 00:50:45.640 several counselors that the name of 00:50:45.680 --> 00:50:48.535 something doesn't matter. I would 00:50:48.559 --> 00:50:50.856 argue against that. We are leaders in 00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:52.535 our community and the words that we 00:50:52.559 --> 00:50:55.559 choose to put on public documents and in 00:50:55.599 --> 00:50:58.599 the public domain do matter and we have 00:50:58.880 --> 00:51:00.456 responsibility. 00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:02.216 um youth are being impacted by the 00:51:02.240 --> 00:51:04.696 climate alarmism that's there. we 00:51:04.720 --> 00:51:07.016 need to take climate change seriously. 00:51:07.040 --> 00:51:08.856 We don't need to divide our community 00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:10.696 around this issue. We need to be 00:51:10.720 --> 00:51:12.696 resilient and we need to make sure that 00:51:12.720 --> 00:51:15.176 our facilities and our assets are 00:51:15.200 --> 00:51:17.575 resilient. Tomorrow we're facing another 00:51:17.599 --> 00:51:20.456 potential east coast low. So it is 00:51:20.480 --> 00:51:22.936 apparent that these natural disasters 00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:24.616 are having an impact on our community 00:51:24.640 --> 00:51:27.640 and we need to make sure it's there. 00:51:27.680 --> 00:51:29.176 additionally, 00:51:29.200 --> 00:51:32.200 um, the concerns around the public 00:51:32.480 --> 00:51:34.136 commentary, the reason why I'm 00:51:34.160 --> 00:51:36.456 supportive of this motion is we do need 00:51:36.480 --> 00:51:38.856 the public and those that perhaps don't 00:51:38.880 --> 00:51:41.416 necessarily agree with the editorials 00:51:41.440 --> 00:51:43.095 that have been published in the 00:51:43.119 --> 00:51:46.119 Newcastle Herald to submit and make 00:51:46.640 --> 00:51:48.216 their submissions. I'll be making a 00:51:48.240 --> 00:51:50.776 submission around the name um because 00:51:50.800 --> 00:51:52.776 I've made that submission in a committee 00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:54.616 when we looked at this and it and it 00:51:54.640 --> 00:51:56.216 hasn't been heard. So, I want to make 00:51:56.240 --> 00:51:58.535 sure it's on the public record again, 00:51:58.559 --> 00:52:00.136 both tonight, but also in the 00:52:00.160 --> 00:52:02.456 submissions of this because our voices 00:52:02.480 --> 00:52:04.456 matter in making changes to documents 00:52:04.480 --> 00:52:07.480 like this. And so, as with councelor 00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:10.920 Ankliff's push, we need the community to 00:52:11.040 --> 00:52:14.040 speak up about this and to air their 00:52:14.559 --> 00:52:17.335 support or concerns so that we can make 00:52:17.359 --> 00:52:19.256 a good and right decision with regards 00:52:19.280 --> 00:52:21.176 to this when it returns to us. thank 00:52:21.200 --> 00:52:22.936 you, Mr Mayor thank you, Councelor 00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:24.936 Schultz. is anyone else looking for 00:52:24.960 --> 00:52:26.535 the call or we'll go back to councelor 00:52:26.559 --> 00:52:29.559 Buckley for her write a reply? 00:52:33.040 --> 00:52:36.040 I'm on. You are on. I'm in. Um, look, 00:52:36.160 --> 00:52:39.160 it's going out to the public. Um, I 00:52:39.280 --> 00:52:42.280 think that the issue of the name that 00:52:42.880 --> 00:52:44.936 could be something that could be changed 00:52:44.960 --> 00:52:47.960 as a result of um, commentary from the 00:52:49.040 --> 00:52:50.856 community. 00:52:50.880 --> 00:52:53.880 so I'm I'm hap very happy to to 00:52:56.559 --> 00:52:59.559 move this as it is. Um and let's see 00:52:59.920 --> 00:53:01.656 what the community have to say and 00:53:01.680 --> 00:53:04.535 encourage the community to make comment 00:53:04.559 --> 00:53:07.559 and make submissions. thank you. thank 00:53:07.599 --> 00:53:10.295 you councelor Buckley. That now closes 00:53:10.319 --> 00:53:11.815 debate. 00:53:11.839 --> 00:53:14.839 so I will put recommendations 00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:19.016 of the standing committee being the 00:53:19.040 --> 00:53:21.095 built natural asset standing committee 00:53:21.119 --> 00:53:23.335 moved by councelor Buckley seconded by 00:53:23.359 --> 00:53:25.656 councelor Schultz and again we'll do that 00:53:25.680 --> 00:53:27.656 by a show of hands. All those in favor 00:53:27.680 --> 00:53:30.295 please raise your hand. Deputy Mayor 00:53:30.319 --> 00:53:32.456 Antcliff, Councelor Grigg, Councelor 00:53:32.480 --> 00:53:34.776 Conroy, Councelor Bishop, Councelor 00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:37.095 Warner, Councelor Swinsburg, 00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:39.176 Councelor Buckley, Councelor Schultz, 00:53:39.200 --> 00:53:42.136 Councelor Radcliffe, Mayor Adam Schultz, 00:53:42.160 --> 00:53:45.160 those against, Councelor Pauling. I 00:53:45.520 --> 00:53:48.520 declared the recommendation and the 00:53:48.640 --> 00:53:51.640 minutes carried. thank you, councilors. 00:54:03.200 --> 00:54:04.616 Just checking where we are on the 00:54:04.640 --> 00:54:07.176 agenda. I'm a little bit behind time. 00:54:07.200 --> 00:54:10.200 Um, business arising from public forum 00:54:11.200 --> 00:54:13.335 councilors. Tonight we had two public 00:54:13.359 --> 00:54:16.359 forums. yeah. Can I confirm if 00:54:17.520 --> 00:54:19.496 councilors would like to move a motion 00:54:19.520 --> 00:54:21.656 to deal with that public forum? 00:54:21.680 --> 00:54:24.680 Councelor Warner. 00:54:25.280 --> 00:54:27.416 Yep. You would like to move in that 00:54:27.440 --> 00:54:29.656 direction? Um moving that we note um the 00:54:29.680 --> 00:54:31.176 public forum earlier and that we'll be 00:54:31.200 --> 00:54:32.696 dealing with those matters later in the 00:54:32.720 --> 00:54:35.656 agenda tonight. thank you. And look for 00:54:35.680 --> 00:54:37.416 a seconder. 00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:40.440 Councelor Radcliffe. Sorry. Yep. 00:54:41.440 --> 00:54:43.896 thank you. 00:54:43.920 --> 00:54:45.815 You didn't want to speak anything any 00:54:45.839 --> 00:54:47.416 further on that. No, there doesn't 00:54:47.440 --> 00:54:49.575 appear to be anyone else looking for the 00:54:49.599 --> 00:54:52.599 call. So we will put 00:54:52.640 --> 00:54:54.936 we will put can you just scroll up 00:54:54.960 --> 00:54:57.016 slightly? 00:54:57.040 --> 00:54:59.095 We will put 00:54:59.119 --> 00:55:01.416 public forum. 00:55:01.440 --> 00:55:03.815 Public forum. We'll put public forum. C 00:55:03.839 --> 00:55:05.896 moved by council Warner, seconded by 00:55:05.920 --> 00:55:07.976 council Radcliffe. Again, we'll do that 00:55:08.000 --> 00:55:09.976 via a show of hands. All those in favor, 00:55:10.000 --> 00:55:12.216 please raise your hand. Deputy Mayor 00:55:12.240 --> 00:55:14.376 Antcliff, Councelor Grigg, Councelor 00:55:14.400 --> 00:55:16.295 Conroy, Councelor Bishop, Council 00:55:16.319 --> 00:55:18.776 Warner, Councelor Pauling, Council 00:55:18.800 --> 00:55:20.856 Swinsburg, Councelor Buckley, Councelor 00:55:20.880 --> 00:55:23.016 Schultz, Council Radcliffe, Mayor Adam 00:55:23.040 --> 00:55:25.496 Schultz. Those against, there being no 00:55:25.520 --> 00:55:27.095 opposition, I declare it carried 00:55:27.119 --> 00:55:30.119 unanimously. thank you, councilors. 00:55:32.079 --> 00:55:35.079 special reports, counselors. Um, 00:55:36.720 --> 00:55:39.720 tonight we have two special reports. The 00:55:39.760 --> 00:55:42.760 first one is 25 SP038 00:55:43.680 --> 00:55:46.680 disclosure of interest first lodgement. 00:55:47.200 --> 00:55:50.200 councilors I'll look for a mover and 00:55:50.240 --> 00:55:53.240 a seconder for that 00:55:56.240 --> 00:55:59.240 moved. Deputy Mayor Antcliff. thank you. 00:56:00.799 --> 00:56:03.416 Seconded. councelor Bishop. thank 00:56:03.440 --> 00:56:06.376 you. Deputy Mayor Antcliff. Did you want 00:56:06.400 --> 00:56:08.535 to speak on the item? I'm happy to 00:56:08.559 --> 00:56:09.896 reserve the right for the moment, Mr. 00:56:09.920 --> 00:56:12.055 Mayor. thank you. Is there anyone 00:56:12.079 --> 00:56:15.079 looking for the call? 00:56:16.160 --> 00:56:18.616 There doesn't appear to be. did you 00:56:18.640 --> 00:56:20.535 want to speak? Yeah, happy to wave your 00:56:20.559 --> 00:56:23.559 right. All right, we will put 25 00:56:24.240 --> 00:56:25.736 SP038 00:56:25.760 --> 00:56:28.535 disclosure of interest first lodgement 00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:31.016 moved by Deputy Mayor Antcliff, seconded 00:56:31.040 --> 00:56:33.416 by Councelor Bishop. Again, we'll do 00:56:33.440 --> 00:56:35.416 that by a show of hands. All those in 00:56:35.440 --> 00:56:37.736 favor, please raise your hand. 00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:39.256 Are those in favor? Deputy Mayor 00:56:39.280 --> 00:56:41.335 Encliffe, Councelor Grig, Councelor 00:56:41.359 --> 00:56:43.416 Conroy, Councelor Bishop, Councelor 00:56:43.440 --> 00:56:45.496 Warner, Councelor Pauling, Councelor 00:56:45.520 --> 00:56:47.575 Swinsburg, Councelor Buckley, Councelor 00:56:47.599 --> 00:56:50.216 Schultz, Council Radcliffe, Mayor Adam 00:56:50.240 --> 00:56:52.216 Schultz. Those against, there being no 00:56:52.240 --> 00:56:54.216 opposition, I declare it carried. thank 00:56:54.240 --> 00:56:57.240 you, councilors. 00:56:58.480 --> 00:57:01.176 The second report from the CEO this 00:57:01.200 --> 00:57:04.200 evening is 25 SP039 00:57:05.359 --> 00:57:07.976 codes of conduct and model procedures 00:57:08.000 --> 00:57:10.376 for adoption. Again, I'll look for a 00:57:10.400 --> 00:57:13.176 mover and a seconder. Moving that way, 00:57:13.200 --> 00:57:16.200 Councelor Conroy. thank you. Seconded. 00:57:16.559 --> 00:57:19.496 Councelor Buckley. thank you. Councelor 00:57:19.520 --> 00:57:21.176 Conroy, did you want to speak on this 00:57:21.200 --> 00:57:22.696 item? 00:57:22.720 --> 00:57:24.376 Oh, thank you, Mr Mayor Just to note, 00:57:24.400 --> 00:57:26.456 the current codes of conduct and the 00:57:26.480 --> 00:57:28.616 code of media practice have served this 00:57:28.640 --> 00:57:31.575 council relatively well. Um so I support 00:57:31.599 --> 00:57:33.976 us um maintaining the status quo until 00:57:34.000 --> 00:57:36.616 the new versions come out and hope that 00:57:36.640 --> 00:57:38.936 the office of local government, the 00:57:38.960 --> 00:57:41.256 minister for local government and the 00:57:41.280 --> 00:57:44.280 New South Wales parliament are able to 00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:46.856 00:57:46.880 --> 00:57:49.416 legislate those changes relatively soon 00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:52.440 um to improve behavior perhaps in other 00:57:53.040 --> 00:57:55.496 councils um that may need it more than 00:57:55.520 --> 00:57:57.496 us. But it is always when we look at 00:57:57.520 --> 00:57:59.095 those other councils, always a good 00:57:59.119 --> 00:58:01.976 reminder that we need to keep um our 00:58:02.000 --> 00:58:04.696 good behavior and our respect for not 00:58:04.720 --> 00:58:06.696 only each other in this room but our 00:58:06.720 --> 00:58:09.575 entire community as well. thank you, Mr. 00:58:09.599 --> 00:58:11.976 Mayor. thank you, Councelor Conroy. Is 00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:15.000 there anyone else looking for the call? 00:58:15.520 --> 00:58:18.456 Doesn't appear to be. Councelor Schultz, 00:58:18.480 --> 00:58:19.976 it's coming up that you're typing. Are 00:58:20.000 --> 00:58:23.000 you looking for the call? No, we just 00:58:23.200 --> 00:58:26.200 No worries. so I will put 25 SP039 00:58:28.319 --> 00:58:30.535 codes of conduct and model procedures 00:58:30.559 --> 00:58:33.176 for adoption. U moved by councelor 00:58:33.200 --> 00:58:35.416 Conroy, seconded by councel Buckley. And 00:58:35.440 --> 00:58:37.016 again we'll do that via a show of hands. 00:58:37.040 --> 00:58:38.616 All those in favor please raise your 00:58:38.640 --> 00:58:41.640 hand. Deputy Mayor Antcliff, councelor 00:58:41.920 --> 00:58:43.976 Grig, Councelor Conroy, Councelor 00:58:44.000 --> 00:58:46.136 Bishop, Councelor Warner, Councelor 00:58:46.160 --> 00:58:48.535 Pauling, Council Swinsburg, Councelor 00:58:48.559 --> 00:58:50.376 Buckley, Councelor Schultz, Council 00:58:50.400 --> 00:58:53.335 Radcliffe, Mayor Adam Schultz in favor. 00:58:53.359 --> 00:58:55.496 Those against there being no opposition 00:58:55.520 --> 00:58:58.055 I declare it carried unanimously. thank 00:58:58.079 --> 00:59:01.079 you councilors. 00:59:01.839 --> 00:59:04.839 our next items or reports are under 00:59:05.599 --> 00:59:08.599 the deputy CEO and the first item is 00:59:11.200 --> 00:59:13.896 25 SP040 00:59:13.920 --> 00:59:16.920 investment report for May 2025. Again 00:59:18.000 --> 00:59:19.815 councilors I'll look for a mover and a 00:59:19.839 --> 00:59:22.839 seconder. 00:59:23.200 --> 00:59:25.095 Ah, I'll move. Councelor Buckley, you're 00:59:25.119 --> 00:59:27.815 moving that way. thank you. 00:59:27.839 --> 00:59:29.416 councelor Swinsburg, you're seconding 00:59:29.440 --> 00:59:31.976 that. thank you. councelor Buckley, 00:59:32.000 --> 00:59:34.295 did you want to speak on this item? 00:59:34.319 --> 00:59:36.696 no. Good. Reserve your right. No 00:59:36.720 --> 00:59:38.535 worries. Is there any other counselor 00:59:38.559 --> 00:59:41.559 who wants to speak on this item? 00:59:41.680 --> 00:59:44.680 It doesn't appear to be. So, we will put 00:59:45.200 --> 00:59:48.200 25 SP040 00:59:48.559 --> 00:59:51.559 investment report May 2025. Moved by 00:59:52.640 --> 00:59:55.640 councelor Buckley, seconded by councelor 00:59:55.760 --> 00:59:57.496 Swinsburg. And again, we'll do that by a 00:59:57.520 --> 00:59:59.656 show of hands. All those in favor, 00:59:59.680 --> 01:00:02.136 please raise your hand. in favor, 01:00:02.160 --> 01:00:03.976 deputy Mayor Antcliff, councelor Greg, 01:00:04.000 --> 01:00:05.736 councelor Conroy, councelor Bishop, 01:00:05.760 --> 01:00:07.896 councelor Warner, Councelor Pauling, 01:00:07.920 --> 01:00:09.815 Council Swinsburg, Councelor Buckley, 01:00:09.839 --> 01:00:12.136 Councelor Schultz, Council Radcliffe, 01:00:12.160 --> 01:00:14.936 Mayor Adam Schultz. those against 01:00:14.960 --> 01:00:16.775 there being no opposition, I declare it 01:00:16.799 --> 01:00:18.376 carried unanimously. thank you, 01:00:18.400 --> 01:00:21.016 councilors. 01:00:21.040 --> 01:00:23.496 Our second report from the deputy CEO 01:00:23.520 --> 01:00:26.520 this evening is item 25 SP041 01:00:28.240 --> 01:00:31.240 making the rate or 2025 to 2026. And 01:00:33.119 --> 01:00:34.936 again councilors I'll look for a mover 01:00:34.960 --> 01:00:37.960 and a seconder. 01:00:39.920 --> 01:00:41.575 Councelor Grigg, you're moving that way. 01:00:41.599 --> 01:00:44.216 thank you. 01:00:44.240 --> 01:00:45.815 Councelor Radcliffe, you're seconding 01:00:45.839 --> 01:00:47.815 that. thank you. Councelor Grigg, did 01:00:47.839 --> 01:00:50.839 you want to speak on this item? 01:00:50.880 --> 01:00:53.016 just very briefly, Mr. Mayor, 01:00:53.040 --> 01:00:55.815 rates are things that we need to be able 01:00:55.839 --> 01:00:58.839 to um maintain our LGA and I think it's 01:01:00.240 --> 01:01:02.295 important. I think that following the 01:01:02.319 --> 01:01:05.319 4.5% rate peg is is an affirmative 01:01:06.720 --> 01:01:09.720 and yeah, I I recommend this to 01:01:10.240 --> 01:01:13.176 councilors. thank you, councelor Grigg. 01:01:13.200 --> 01:01:14.775 Is there anyone else looking for the 01:01:14.799 --> 01:01:17.799 call? There doesn't appear to be. So I 01:01:18.000 --> 01:01:21.000 will put 25 SP041 making the rate for 01:01:22.559 --> 01:01:25.559 2025 to 2026. Moved by Councelor Grigg, 01:01:27.200 --> 01:01:29.016 seconded by Councelor Radcliffe. And 01:01:29.040 --> 01:01:31.016 again, we'll do that by a show of hands. 01:01:31.040 --> 01:01:32.856 All those in favor, please raise your 01:01:32.880 --> 01:01:35.656 hand. in favor. Deputy Mayor Antcliff, 01:01:35.680 --> 01:01:37.656 Council Grigg, Council Warner, Council 01:01:37.680 --> 01:01:40.680 Bishop, Councelor Warner, Council 01:01:40.960 --> 01:01:42.936 Pauling, Council Swinsburg, Council 01:01:42.960 --> 01:01:44.696 Buckley, Councelor Schultz, Council 01:01:44.720 --> 01:01:47.575 Radcliffe, Mayor Adam Schultz. Those 01:01:47.599 --> 01:01:49.416 against, there being no opposition, I 01:01:49.440 --> 01:01:51.496 declare it carried unanimously. thank 01:01:51.520 --> 01:01:54.520 you, councilors. 01:01:54.640 --> 01:01:57.176 Our 01:01:57.200 --> 01:02:00.200 third report from the deputy CEO is item 01:02:00.640 --> 01:02:03.016 25 SP042, 01:02:03.040 --> 01:02:05.736 financial sustainability implementation 01:02:05.760 --> 01:02:08.456 policy and strategy. Again, councils, 01:02:08.480 --> 01:02:11.016 I'll look for a mover and a seconder. 01:02:11.040 --> 01:02:13.016 Council Warner, you're moving that way. 01:02:13.040 --> 01:02:15.496 thank you. Council Swinsburg, you're 01:02:15.520 --> 01:02:17.656 seconding that. thank you. Council 01:02:17.680 --> 01:02:19.095 Warner, did you want to speak on this 01:02:19.119 --> 01:02:21.736 item? thank you, Mr Mayor Just 01:02:21.760 --> 01:02:24.376 briefly um just wanted to note that um 01:02:24.400 --> 01:02:25.896 this council is in a really strong 01:02:25.920 --> 01:02:28.295 financial position. Um and I think this 01:02:28.319 --> 01:02:31.176 is this doesn't happen by chance. Um the 01:02:31.200 --> 01:02:34.200 state of play we want to ensure that we 01:02:34.319 --> 01:02:36.856 embed in our policies and um our 01:02:36.880 --> 01:02:39.736 strategies and this um these documents 01:02:39.760 --> 01:02:42.760 um do that. Um I think we have had as 01:02:43.760 --> 01:02:46.055 counselors a number of briefings um to 01:02:46.079 --> 01:02:48.616 discuss the documents as they stand 01:02:48.640 --> 01:02:50.775 and they've been done in consultation 01:02:50.799 --> 01:02:52.775 with a number of us and developed along 01:02:52.799 --> 01:02:54.856 the way which has been really good to be 01:02:54.880 --> 01:02:57.880 part of that and to be able to share um 01:02:58.319 --> 01:03:00.856 our um with along with the audit risk 01:03:00.880 --> 01:03:02.696 and improvement committee as well and to 01:03:02.720 --> 01:03:05.720 ensure that our sustainability um 01:03:05.839 --> 01:03:07.976 policies are in alignment with our risk 01:03:08.000 --> 01:03:11.000 um statements. um and um that we ensure 01:03:12.480 --> 01:03:14.775 that we will continue to maintain a 01:03:14.799 --> 01:03:17.256 fiscally strong council in the future. 01:03:17.280 --> 01:03:19.815 So I recommend both documents to my 01:03:19.839 --> 01:03:22.136 fellow counselors for approval tonight. 01:03:22.160 --> 01:03:25.160 thank you. thank you councelor Warner. 01:03:25.599 --> 01:03:28.136 councelor Schulty looking for the 01:03:28.160 --> 01:03:30.616 calls. Yep. 01:03:30.640 --> 01:03:32.936 I just hadn't hit press on the queue 01:03:32.960 --> 01:03:34.856 yet, Mr. Mayor, but thank you for seeing 01:03:34.880 --> 01:03:36.936 that. likewise I want to speak in 01:03:36.960 --> 01:03:39.815 favor of um this motion before us with 01:03:39.839 --> 01:03:41.656 regards to the financial sustainability 01:03:41.680 --> 01:03:43.335 policy. We've just received an 01:03:43.359 --> 01:03:45.736 investment report which shows that we 01:03:45.760 --> 01:03:48.216 are in a good cash position but also 01:03:48.240 --> 01:03:50.456 have had good management of our 01:03:50.480 --> 01:03:53.176 investments and a policy like this does 01:03:53.200 --> 01:03:55.815 help to ensure going into the future for 01:03:55.839 --> 01:03:58.216 future generations and ensuring that we 01:03:58.240 --> 01:04:01.240 have intergenerational equity um 01:04:02.400 --> 01:04:05.400 decision making frameworks and guides um 01:04:06.000 --> 01:04:09.000 should our our excellent CFO move on um 01:04:09.839 --> 01:04:12.775 this policy will ensure that we continue 01:04:12.799 --> 01:04:15.799 well beyond perhaps his tenure in the 01:04:16.319 --> 01:04:18.456 role that we can still make good 01:04:18.480 --> 01:04:20.136 decisions because he's making good 01:04:20.160 --> 01:04:21.896 decisions and we want to ensure that we 01:04:21.920 --> 01:04:23.896 continue to make good financial 01:04:23.920 --> 01:04:25.575 decisions so that we can provide the 01:04:25.599 --> 01:04:28.055 assets so that we can provide the 01:04:28.079 --> 01:04:30.295 services and so that we can provide the 01:04:30.319 --> 01:04:33.015 programs that our community needs across 01:04:33.039 --> 01:04:36.039 the whole of our three wards. So I 01:04:36.160 --> 01:04:38.535 commend this policy and the work that's 01:04:38.559 --> 01:04:41.015 been done in in putting together and and 01:04:41.039 --> 01:04:43.256 ask my counselors to support it. thank 01:04:43.280 --> 01:04:46.280 you councelor Schultz. so there 01:04:46.559 --> 01:04:47.815 doesn't appear to be anyone else looking 01:04:47.839 --> 01:04:49.176 for the call so I might contribute 01:04:49.200 --> 01:04:51.575 briefly. council has developed a 01:04:51.599 --> 01:04:53.736 financial sustainability policy and 01:04:53.760 --> 01:04:55.896 strategy to formalize those principles 01:04:55.920 --> 01:04:57.976 that have guided our financial decisions 01:04:58.000 --> 01:05:00.535 in recent years. these documents 01:05:00.559 --> 01:05:02.775 provide a clear framework for planning 01:05:02.799 --> 01:05:05.496 and operations helping both staff and 01:05:05.520 --> 01:05:07.656 counselors understand their role in 01:05:07.680 --> 01:05:10.680 maintaining financial sustainability. 01:05:10.880 --> 01:05:12.535 it is a key governance step in 01:05:12.559 --> 01:05:14.616 safeguarding the financial health of our 01:05:14.640 --> 01:05:17.176 organization and the livability of our 01:05:17.200 --> 01:05:19.896 community. councilors, there doesn't 01:05:19.920 --> 01:05:21.656 appear to be anyone else looking for the 01:05:21.680 --> 01:05:24.295 call. So I'm councelor Buckley. Are you 01:05:24.319 --> 01:05:27.256 looking? Okay. I'll revert back to 01:05:27.280 --> 01:05:29.896 councelor Warner for her write a 01:05:29.920 --> 01:05:32.920 reply. Happy to wave that. Yep. So I 01:05:33.680 --> 01:05:36.680 will put 25 SP042 01:05:36.960 --> 01:05:39.960 financial sustainability implementation 01:05:40.079 --> 01:05:42.696 policy and strategy moved by councelor 01:05:42.720 --> 01:05:45.575 Warner seconded by councelor Swinsburg. 01:05:45.599 --> 01:05:47.815 And we will do that by a show of hands. 01:05:47.839 --> 01:05:49.656 All those in favor please raise your 01:05:49.680 --> 01:05:52.680 hand. In favor, Deputy Mayor Antcliff, 01:05:52.799 --> 01:05:54.456 Council Grigg, Councelor Conroy, 01:05:54.480 --> 01:05:56.535 Councelor Bishop, Council Warner, 01:05:56.559 --> 01:05:58.376 Council Pauling, Council Swinsburg, 01:05:58.400 --> 01:05:59.976 Council Buckley, Council Schultz, 01:06:00.000 --> 01:06:02.936 Council Radcliffe, Mayor Adam Schultz. 01:06:02.960 --> 01:06:05.256 Those against there being no opposition, 01:06:05.280 --> 01:06:07.335 I declare it carried unanimously. thank 01:06:07.359 --> 01:06:10.359 you, councilors. 01:06:12.240 --> 01:06:15.240 Our next report is 01:06:15.680 --> 01:06:17.095 this evening from the director of 01:06:17.119 --> 01:06:20.119 development and planning regulation. 01:06:20.240 --> 01:06:23.240 tonight we have two items on the agenda. 01:06:24.799 --> 01:06:27.799 The first one being 25 SP043 01:06:28.799 --> 01:06:31.799 Toronto 76 Nomad Road Modification 01:06:32.319 --> 01:06:34.856 Application Resource Recovery Facility 01:06:34.880 --> 01:06:37.880 Composting. Councelor Conroy, you've 01:06:38.240 --> 01:06:40.136 got your queue in the chat. You're 01:06:40.160 --> 01:06:43.160 looking to move that way. Move that way. 01:06:43.440 --> 01:06:46.440 look for a seconder. 01:06:47.520 --> 01:06:49.015 Councelor 01:06:49.039 --> 01:06:51.015 Buckley. 01:06:51.039 --> 01:06:54.039 Councelor 01:06:54.160 --> 01:06:55.896 Conroy, would you like to speak to 01:06:55.920 --> 01:06:58.136 the matter? Um, I'll reserve my right. 01:06:58.160 --> 01:07:00.055 thank you, Mr Mayor Okay. Reserving 01:07:00.079 --> 01:07:03.079 your right. 01:07:10.240 --> 01:07:12.456 so this this is lighting up, which 01:07:12.480 --> 01:07:14.535 is always good. The cues are working. 01:07:14.559 --> 01:07:17.335 Council Bishop, are you looking for 01:07:17.359 --> 01:07:20.359 the call? Yes, thank you, Mr Mayor I'd 01:07:20.480 --> 01:07:22.295 actually, and I should be up there 01:07:22.319 --> 01:07:25.319 hopefully, um, place an amendment to, 01:07:26.720 --> 01:07:29.720 um, 25 SP043. 01:07:31.200 --> 01:07:34.200 Y, I'm hoping it's there. Yes. Um and 01:07:34.559 --> 01:07:37.559 that is that council defers this motion 01:07:39.760 --> 01:07:42.216 um so that we can have a full council 01:07:42.240 --> 01:07:45.015 site inspection of the facility 01:07:45.039 --> 01:07:47.496 and also it's disappearing in front of 01:07:47.520 --> 01:07:49.335 my eyes. Sorry, I'll read it out now 01:07:49.359 --> 01:07:51.976 that it's there. um that we defer 25 01:07:52.000 --> 01:07:53.815 SP043 01:07:53.839 --> 01:07:55.335 Toronto 01:07:55.359 --> 01:07:58.359 um 76 no Nomad Road Modification 01:07:59.119 --> 01:08:01.656 Resource Recovery Facility pending a 01:08:01.680 --> 01:08:03.575 full council site inspection of the 01:08:03.599 --> 01:08:06.216 facility and also part B which is 01:08:06.240 --> 01:08:08.856 request councilors receive by way of 01:08:08.880 --> 01:08:11.015 memo um information regarding the issues 01:08:11.039 --> 01:08:13.736 raised by the applicant in public forum 01:08:13.760 --> 01:08:16.295 this evening. thank you councelor Bishop 01:08:16.319 --> 01:08:18.856 look for a seconder councelor Warner. 01:08:18.880 --> 01:08:21.880 Yep. Happy to second that. 01:08:22.000 --> 01:08:24.056 Did you want to speak to your item, 01:08:24.080 --> 01:08:25.735 Councelor Bishop? First, just really 01:08:25.759 --> 01:08:28.056 briefly, Mr Mayor Um, given the public 01:08:28.080 --> 01:08:29.896 forum item this evening and 01:08:29.920 --> 01:08:31.976 correspondence from the applicant to all 01:08:32.000 --> 01:08:34.856 the councilors, um, the length of time 01:08:34.880 --> 01:08:37.016 this has been an ongoing issue and the 01:08:37.040 --> 01:08:39.496 complexity of the issues as well as the 01:08:39.520 --> 01:08:41.655 public interest. I think that the best 01:08:41.679 --> 01:08:43.896 result will be to have a full council 01:08:43.920 --> 01:08:46.295 site inspection. I believe it's really 01:08:46.319 --> 01:08:48.135 important for all the councils to be 01:08:48.159 --> 01:08:49.896 given opportunity to visit and see the 01:08:49.920 --> 01:08:52.215 site to learn more before we make a 01:08:52.239 --> 01:08:54.536 decision. thank you, Mr Mayor thank 01:08:54.560 --> 01:08:57.255 you, Councelor Bishop. councelor 01:08:57.279 --> 01:09:00.056 Buckley. 01:09:00.080 --> 01:09:03.080 thank you, Mr Mayor Um, look, I I was 01:09:04.319 --> 01:09:07.255 going to move the same thing that we um 01:09:07.279 --> 01:09:09.175 moved for a site inspection. I think 01:09:09.199 --> 01:09:10.936 it's really important that we can go out 01:09:10.960 --> 01:09:13.255 there and have a look on the ground. I 01:09:13.279 --> 01:09:15.096 know there was an offer for us to go out 01:09:15.120 --> 01:09:17.496 individually. but I think as a 01:09:17.520 --> 01:09:20.520 council um all of us together would be a 01:09:21.120 --> 01:09:23.815 good idea and then it gives us um the 01:09:23.839 --> 01:09:26.775 opportunity to ask relevant questions 01:09:26.799 --> 01:09:29.799 and come up with a a a 01:09:30.719 --> 01:09:32.695 better way of just making a decision on 01:09:32.719 --> 01:09:34.056 this issue. I think it's really 01:09:34.080 --> 01:09:36.135 important. thank you. thank you, Council 01:09:36.159 --> 01:09:39.159 Buckley. Council Polling. Mr. Mayor, 01:09:39.440 --> 01:09:41.815 I speak in favor of the amendment. 01:09:41.839 --> 01:09:43.655 in truth, my Q&A in because I got 01:09:43.679 --> 01:09:46.376 nervous with the the silence after the 01:09:46.400 --> 01:09:49.400 original motion. Um, but given I I think 01:09:49.440 --> 01:09:52.135 quite a a wise and appropriate course of 01:09:52.159 --> 01:09:54.296 action has been proposed by councelor 01:09:54.320 --> 01:09:57.096 Bishop Bishop and councelor Warner. Um, 01:09:57.120 --> 01:09:58.616 I'm happy to reserve all comment from 01:09:58.640 --> 01:10:00.296 that other than full support for 01:10:00.320 --> 01:10:02.936 progressing down this path. thank you. 01:10:02.960 --> 01:10:05.496 councelor Grigg. thank you, Mr. 01:10:05.520 --> 01:10:07.655 Mayor. Yes. I too was going to jump 01:10:07.679 --> 01:10:10.679 to the to to the microphone and 01:10:10.719 --> 01:10:13.719 and move that we have a site inspection 01:10:13.760 --> 01:10:16.376 and yeah so I'm in full support of 01:10:16.400 --> 01:10:18.776 that and it will just to reiterate 01:10:18.800 --> 01:10:20.135 what some of the councils have already 01:10:20.159 --> 01:10:22.376 said gives us an opportunity to have 01:10:22.400 --> 01:10:24.376 a first f firstand look at what's going 01:10:24.400 --> 01:10:27.096 on and and discuss it and make a 01:10:27.120 --> 01:10:28.536 decision from there. thank you Mr. 01:10:28.560 --> 01:10:31.560 Mayor. thank you. I might go to 01:10:32.640 --> 01:10:34.456 Councelor Buckley. Did you have another 01:10:34.480 --> 01:10:36.296 one? It's come up again. Or maybe it's 01:10:36.320 --> 01:10:37.816 delayed. No, we'll go straight to 01:10:37.840 --> 01:10:40.840 Councelor Schultz. thank you, Mr Mayor 01:10:40.880 --> 01:10:42.936 likewise with my fellow counselors, 01:10:42.960 --> 01:10:45.960 I'm speaking in favor of this amendment. 01:10:46.560 --> 01:10:48.695 Um I thank Mr. Jansen for his 01:10:48.719 --> 01:10:51.496 presentation tonight. Um but it did 01:10:51.520 --> 01:10:53.816 leave me with some more questions. Um I 01:10:53.840 --> 01:10:55.576 spent significant time over the weekend 01:10:55.600 --> 01:10:58.056 going through both the report and 01:10:58.080 --> 01:11:00.536 documents attached to the development 01:11:00.560 --> 01:11:02.856 and had many questions. So I think a 01:11:02.880 --> 01:11:05.416 site inspection will give the avenue to 01:11:05.440 --> 01:11:07.976 which we can ask more questions of Mr. 01:11:08.000 --> 01:11:11.000 Jensen but also of council staff and 01:11:11.760 --> 01:11:14.760 allow us to be in a position where we 01:11:14.800 --> 01:11:17.800 have all that we need to make a fair and 01:11:18.320 --> 01:11:21.175 reasonable decision in this matter. 01:11:21.199 --> 01:11:24.199 So I'm I'm in support of this motion. 01:11:24.719 --> 01:11:27.719 thank you. Council Warner. 01:11:28.640 --> 01:11:30.536 thank you Mr Mayor I also speak in 01:11:30.560 --> 01:11:33.416 favor of the amendment. Um, just 01:11:33.440 --> 01:11:36.056 picking up on what was noted tonight in 01:11:36.080 --> 01:11:39.080 the public address um that we need to 01:11:39.360 --> 01:11:42.360 focus on the facts not opinion. And I 01:11:42.960 --> 01:11:45.016 think this case has really 01:11:45.040 --> 01:11:47.256 highlighted the need to go back and look 01:11:47.280 --> 01:11:49.016 at the facts. And there are a lot of 01:11:49.040 --> 01:11:52.040 facts in this matter. And I think um 01:11:52.239 --> 01:11:55.239 everyone including staff um and the 01:11:55.760 --> 01:11:57.016 additional information we have been 01:11:57.040 --> 01:11:59.736 provided um we have considered it and um 01:11:59.760 --> 01:12:00.936 we'll look at it and it is important 01:12:00.960 --> 01:12:02.856 that we consider all of the facts when 01:12:02.880 --> 01:12:05.880 we do make our decisions. Um I do note 01:12:06.320 --> 01:12:08.616 that it is part of our requirements as a 01:12:08.640 --> 01:12:10.536 counselor to have all the information in 01:12:10.560 --> 01:12:11.816 front of us when we're making these 01:12:11.840 --> 01:12:13.736 decisions. So we don't take these things 01:12:13.760 --> 01:12:15.496 lightly and I think it's important that 01:12:15.520 --> 01:12:17.736 the community also notes that we do 01:12:17.760 --> 01:12:20.456 listen to what um is being spoken and we 01:12:20.480 --> 01:12:22.856 do consider facts. Um there is a lot of 01:12:22.880 --> 01:12:25.016 expert opinion as well um that we need 01:12:25.040 --> 01:12:26.695 to also understand and it's a 01:12:26.719 --> 01:12:29.416 complicated area. So I'm interested to 01:12:29.440 --> 01:12:31.175 go out on site and ask some further 01:12:31.199 --> 01:12:33.096 questions here from staff about what was 01:12:33.120 --> 01:12:35.016 asked tonight rather than reiterating it 01:12:35.040 --> 01:12:37.016 right now. Um I think it's important 01:12:37.040 --> 01:12:38.776 to do that in a way that's considered 01:12:38.800 --> 01:12:41.175 with staff to have the time to answer 01:12:41.199 --> 01:12:43.655 us in full. so we can consider it. So I 01:12:43.679 --> 01:12:45.896 do support this amendment. thank you. 01:12:45.920 --> 01:12:47.256 thank you, councelor Warner. There 01:12:47.280 --> 01:12:49.096 doesn't appear to be anyone else looking 01:12:49.120 --> 01:12:51.256 for the call, so I might contribute. I'm 01:12:51.280 --> 01:12:53.496 also supportive of the amendment to go 01:12:53.520 --> 01:12:56.376 out on site and yeah, have a site 01:12:56.400 --> 01:12:59.400 inspection take council to the to 01:13:00.640 --> 01:13:03.496 the site. I think it's important 01:13:03.520 --> 01:13:06.520 given public forum also the reports. Um 01:13:06.719 --> 01:13:09.336 so this is us doing our due diligence 01:13:09.360 --> 01:13:12.360 which is really important. Um, so on 01:13:12.800 --> 01:13:15.256 that note, I might revert to Councelor 01:13:15.280 --> 01:13:16.936 Bishop. Do you want your right or reply 01:13:16.960 --> 01:13:19.416 before we put the Just briefly, Mr. 01:13:19.440 --> 01:13:21.336 Mayor. thank you. Um, I'm really 01:13:21.360 --> 01:13:24.056 heartened by the um positive reaction to 01:13:24.080 --> 01:13:26.616 this um amendment by the my fellow 01:13:26.640 --> 01:13:29.496 councilors and given that we have just 01:13:29.520 --> 01:13:30.936 endorsed the code of conduct for 01:13:30.960 --> 01:13:33.175 counselors and under 3.4 it actually 01:13:33.199 --> 01:13:34.776 tells us that we need to get the 01:13:34.800 --> 01:13:36.695 information so that we can make really 01:13:36.719 --> 01:13:39.016 informed decisions. So to me in this 01:13:39.040 --> 01:13:40.456 case that means that council should 01:13:40.480 --> 01:13:42.856 attend a side inspection to gain further 01:13:42.880 --> 01:13:44.536 information so all councils can make 01:13:44.560 --> 01:13:46.776 that informed decision. So thank you Mr. 01:13:46.800 --> 01:13:49.800 Mayor. thank you. I will therefore 01:13:49.920 --> 01:13:52.695 put the amendment moved by councelor 01:13:52.719 --> 01:13:55.719 Bishop seconded by councelor Warner. 01:13:55.920 --> 01:13:57.655 We'll do that via a show of hands. All 01:13:57.679 --> 01:14:00.296 those in favor please raise your hand. 01:14:00.320 --> 01:14:02.695 in favor, Deputy Mayor Anliffe, 01:14:02.719 --> 01:14:04.616 Councelor Grigg, Councelor Conroy, 01:14:04.640 --> 01:14:06.536 Councelor Bishop, Councelor Warner, 01:14:06.560 --> 01:14:08.215 Councelor Pauling, Councelor Swinsburg, 01:14:08.239 --> 01:14:10.215 Councelor Buckley, Council Schultz, 01:14:10.239 --> 01:14:12.856 Council Radcliffe, Mayor Adam 01:14:12.880 --> 01:14:14.936 Schultz. Those against, there being no 01:14:14.960 --> 01:14:17.256 opposition, I declare it carried. 01:14:17.280 --> 01:14:19.256 the amendment therefore becomes the 01:14:19.280 --> 01:14:22.280 motion. and I should have just 01:14:23.120 --> 01:14:26.120 reverted back to 01:14:26.960 --> 01:14:28.856 councelor Conroy. Did you want your 01:14:28.880 --> 01:14:30.695 right of reply? I gave it to 01:14:30.719 --> 01:14:33.719 councelor Bishop, but I shouldn't have. 01:14:34.080 --> 01:14:35.896 Oops. If it had been a problem, I 01:14:35.920 --> 01:14:38.776 probably would have gone to the home 01:14:38.800 --> 01:14:41.496 meeting practice. My other love. Yeah. 01:14:41.520 --> 01:14:44.215 No, no worries. thank you for your 01:14:44.239 --> 01:14:47.239 indulgence. therefore, given the 01:14:47.520 --> 01:14:49.175 amendment has become the motion, we'll 01:14:49.199 --> 01:14:51.416 do it one more time via a show of hands. 01:14:51.440 --> 01:14:54.056 All those in favor of the the motion 01:14:54.080 --> 01:14:57.080 now. so Deputy Mayor Antcliff, 01:14:58.080 --> 01:15:00.616 Councelor Brig, Councelor Conroy, 01:15:00.640 --> 01:15:02.695 Councelor Bishop, Councelor Warner, 01:15:02.719 --> 01:15:04.776 Councelor Pauling, Council Swinsburg, 01:15:04.800 --> 01:15:07.016 Councelor Buckley, Council Schultz, 01:15:07.040 --> 01:15:09.655 Council Radcliffe, Mayor Adam Schultz. I 01:15:09.679 --> 01:15:12.056 declare it carried unanimously with no 01:15:12.080 --> 01:15:15.080 opposition. thank you. 01:15:17.520 --> 01:15:20.520 moving on. So our second item is 25 01:15:24.480 --> 01:15:27.016 SP045 01:15:27.040 --> 01:15:29.736 which is outcomes of the late Macquarie 01:15:29.760 --> 01:15:32.760 housing forum. councilors I have an 01:15:33.679 --> 01:15:35.976 alternate motion that I'm going to move 01:15:36.000 --> 01:15:39.000 from the chair. so I might just run 01:15:39.360 --> 01:15:40.936 through it and then I'll look for a 01:15:40.960 --> 01:15:42.695 seconder. 01:15:42.719 --> 01:15:45.719 So effectively A, B and C as printed 01:15:46.880 --> 01:15:49.880 with additions additional D, E, F, and 01:15:51.760 --> 01:15:54.760 G. So we might want to bring that up. 01:15:56.400 --> 01:15:58.936 We're building for suspense, I think. 01:15:58.960 --> 01:16:01.960 Just pause for a second. 01:16:20.320 --> 01:16:22.376 Yeah, some of it. Not all of it. Yeah, 01:16:22.400 --> 01:16:25.400 that's why I'm waiting. Yeah. 01:16:25.520 --> 01:16:28.456 Okay, cool. So, yeah, A, B, and C as 01:16:28.480 --> 01:16:31.480 printed and then with additional D, E, 01:16:31.920 --> 01:16:34.376 F, and G. So I'll just walk through 01:16:34.400 --> 01:16:37.400 these slowly. So D is to request 01:16:38.560 --> 01:16:41.560 counselors receive by way of memo a copy 01:16:41.760 --> 01:16:44.616 of the detailed outcomes report and the 01:16:44.640 --> 01:16:46.376 581 01:16:46.400 --> 01:16:47.896 ideas 01:16:47.920 --> 01:16:50.920 including the 340 planning systems 01:16:51.360 --> 01:16:54.360 initiatives, 93 finance and economic and 01:16:54.640 --> 01:16:57.096 148 social and affordable housing 01:16:57.120 --> 01:17:00.120 initiative and ideas that were recorded 01:17:00.400 --> 01:17:03.400 at the late mccquorary housing forum. E 01:17:03.840 --> 01:17:06.840 is includes an additional action item in 01:17:06.960 --> 01:17:09.960 attachment two on page 422 01:17:10.640 --> 01:17:13.640 to include the proposed reforms to the 01:17:14.159 --> 01:17:17.016 council's developer contributions plan 01:17:17.040 --> 01:17:19.496 to strategically increase supply and 01:17:19.520 --> 01:17:22.520 encourage housing diversity. Noting this 01:17:22.719 --> 01:17:25.016 additional action item is to be included 01:17:25.040 --> 01:17:28.040 in the housing forum update report to 01:17:28.480 --> 01:17:31.480 council within 12 months. F is endorses 01:17:33.360 --> 01:17:35.736 increasing the discount on developer 01:17:35.760 --> 01:17:38.296 contributions as identified in action 01:17:38.320 --> 01:17:41.320 3.2 of attachment 2 from 85% to 100% for 01:17:44.400 --> 01:17:47.400 a period of 2 years. This is to occur as 01:17:47.760 --> 01:17:49.736 part of council's development 01:17:49.760 --> 01:17:52.456 development contribution plan. A report 01:17:52.480 --> 01:17:55.416 on the impact of this discount will be 01:17:55.440 --> 01:17:57.896 reported back to council prior to the 01:17:57.920 --> 01:18:00.920 conclusion of the period. And G receives 01:18:01.679 --> 01:18:04.616 a copy of the updated attachment 2, 01:18:04.640 --> 01:18:07.640 including items D, E, and F prior to it 01:18:08.400 --> 01:18:10.936 being circulated to key stakeholders 01:18:10.960 --> 01:18:13.175 involved at the late Macquarie Housing 01:18:13.199 --> 01:18:16.135 Forum. And councilors, I will look for a 01:18:16.159 --> 01:18:18.376 seconder before speaking on this. 01:18:18.400 --> 01:18:20.456 Councelor, Deputy Mayor Antcliff, 01:18:20.480 --> 01:18:23.256 thank you. 01:18:23.280 --> 01:18:26.280 So councilors just in way of 01:18:26.320 --> 01:18:28.856 background at the housing forum we had 01:18:28.880 --> 01:18:31.880 86 people attend from 73 different 01:18:32.239 --> 01:18:34.776 organizations and government departments 01:18:34.800 --> 01:18:37.175 in one room and the clear message was 01:18:37.199 --> 01:18:39.496 that there's no single solution to 01:18:39.520 --> 01:18:42.296 housing in our region. there is a 01:18:42.320 --> 01:18:44.456 determination though through that 01:18:44.480 --> 01:18:46.456 group that we need to be brave. We must 01:18:46.480 --> 01:18:48.856 innovate and we can't just keep doing 01:18:48.880 --> 01:18:51.496 the same things and expect things to 01:18:51.520 --> 01:18:53.576 change. We need to lean into those 01:18:53.600 --> 01:18:55.416 opportunities and effectively work 01:18:55.440 --> 01:18:58.440 together. Some of the new initiatives 01:18:59.199 --> 01:19:01.336 identified include a tiny homes 01:19:01.360 --> 01:19:04.360 partnership with Lambi and manufactured 01:19:04.719 --> 01:19:07.655 homes on council land. And while these 01:19:07.679 --> 01:19:10.679 are relatively small projects, it 01:19:11.679 --> 01:19:14.616 it doesn't reduce their importance. 01:19:14.640 --> 01:19:16.616 the aim is to provide that proof of 01:19:16.640 --> 01:19:18.776 concept and if they work, they could 01:19:18.800 --> 01:19:21.655 create a bit of a blueprint with 01:19:21.679 --> 01:19:24.679 potential for it to be w rolled out more 01:19:24.719 --> 01:19:26.296 widely. 01:19:26.320 --> 01:19:28.776 key outcome from the housing forum 01:19:28.800 --> 01:19:31.800 was to maximize the potential use of our 01:19:32.000 --> 01:19:34.776 underutilized land and this initiative 01:19:34.800 --> 01:19:37.175 does just that. we're looking as one 01:19:37.199 --> 01:19:39.096 of the action items to conduct an audit 01:19:39.120 --> 01:19:41.896 of our residential land holdings to see 01:19:41.920 --> 01:19:44.215 if we can identify additional sites 01:19:44.239 --> 01:19:46.215 where these initiatives can be 01:19:46.239 --> 01:19:47.896 implemented. And it's really important 01:19:47.920 --> 01:19:50.920 that we create good genuine partnerships 01:19:51.199 --> 01:19:54.199 with community housing providers or CHPs 01:19:54.480 --> 01:19:57.256 to benefit the city in the years ahead. 01:19:57.280 --> 01:19:59.736 We have heard from multiple stakeholders 01:19:59.760 --> 01:20:02.760 at the housing forum that development 01:20:03.199 --> 01:20:05.816 contribution plans should do more to 01:20:05.840 --> 01:20:08.456 encourage rather than deter affordable 01:20:08.480 --> 01:20:11.336 housing developments and effectively try 01:20:11.360 --> 01:20:13.816 and aim to increase supply and diversity 01:20:13.840 --> 01:20:16.536 of housing across Lake Macquarie. 01:20:16.560 --> 01:20:18.536 that's something that I'm acutely aware 01:20:18.560 --> 01:20:21.016 of and I think we all need to be in that 01:20:21.040 --> 01:20:23.416 when the developer development 01:20:23.440 --> 01:20:25.655 contributions plan comes before us 01:20:25.679 --> 01:20:28.376 next month. As part of that, I'm looking 01:20:28.400 --> 01:20:30.776 to make sure that we're seeing to ensure 01:20:30.800 --> 01:20:32.936 that we're doing more particularly in 01:20:32.960 --> 01:20:34.616 the space of affordable housing 01:20:34.640 --> 01:20:36.856 developments. And that's why I'm moving 01:20:36.880 --> 01:20:39.880 this alternate motion to implement a 01:20:40.159 --> 01:20:42.936 100% discount on social and affordable 01:20:42.960 --> 01:20:45.655 housing initiatives in Lake Macquarie for 01:20:45.679 --> 01:20:48.056 a 2-year period. 01:20:48.080 --> 01:20:51.080 this 100% discount initiative should 01:20:51.440 --> 01:20:53.896 assist in strategically trying to 01:20:53.920 --> 01:20:56.536 increase supply of affordable housing. 01:20:56.560 --> 01:20:58.936 it is clear through the action plan 01:20:58.960 --> 01:21:01.256 that council is trying to step up. 01:21:01.280 --> 01:21:03.896 we're using every lever available to us, 01:21:03.920 --> 01:21:06.056 but we can't do it alone. We're calling 01:21:06.080 --> 01:21:08.456 on the state and federal government 01:21:08.480 --> 01:21:10.695 as partners to match our commitment and 01:21:10.719 --> 01:21:12.776 continue to drive lasting change and 01:21:12.800 --> 01:21:15.800 policies to ensure adequately adequate 01:21:16.320 --> 01:21:19.016 supply of housing for today and our 01:21:19.040 --> 01:21:21.496 future residents. 01:21:21.520 --> 01:21:24.135 Um so I might leave it there at the 01:21:24.159 --> 01:21:27.159 moment, but just in terms of my D, E, 01:21:27.280 --> 01:21:28.936 and F, I just wanted to provide 01:21:28.960 --> 01:21:31.655 additional context. So in having those 01:21:31.679 --> 01:21:34.679 73 organizations in the room as per the 01:21:36.000 --> 01:21:39.000 report they provided more than 581 01:21:39.440 --> 01:21:42.376 um ideas or initiatives. I think it's 01:21:42.400 --> 01:21:44.376 really important that council get 01:21:44.400 --> 01:21:46.936 councilors by way of memo get access to 01:21:46.960 --> 01:21:49.576 that information because there may be 01:21:49.600 --> 01:21:52.536 nuggets of gold that haven't been 01:21:52.560 --> 01:21:55.560 identified in this initial report from 01:21:55.760 --> 01:21:58.695 staff. councils will have the 01:21:58.719 --> 01:22:00.936 opportunity to take that away and you 01:22:00.960 --> 01:22:03.256 know there might be one or two that 01:22:03.280 --> 01:22:05.336 three or four who knows um that they 01:22:05.360 --> 01:22:07.096 want to move as separate notices of 01:22:07.120 --> 01:22:09.816 motion to try and complement what we're 01:22:09.840 --> 01:22:11.976 already looking to do but until we get 01:22:12.000 --> 01:22:13.655 all of that information we don't really 01:22:13.679 --> 01:22:15.576 know what's there. So this is about 01:22:15.600 --> 01:22:18.056 arming counselors with everything and 01:22:18.080 --> 01:22:20.296 anything that was provided at that 01:22:20.320 --> 01:22:22.936 housing forum effectively to close the 01:22:22.960 --> 01:22:25.416 loop given we had so many experts in the 01:22:25.440 --> 01:22:28.056 room. the developer contributions 01:22:28.080 --> 01:22:29.976 plan initiative. So that's going to be 01:22:30.000 --> 01:22:32.296 coming before us in the not too 01:22:32.320 --> 01:22:35.256 distant future and I think it's you know 01:22:35.280 --> 01:22:37.816 a key part in terms of us pulling the 01:22:37.840 --> 01:22:40.840 lever strategically trying to amend 01:22:41.679 --> 01:22:44.376 our developer contributions to encourage 01:22:44.400 --> 01:22:46.456 diversity of housing and when we're 01:22:46.480 --> 01:22:48.536 providing this report to other levels of 01:22:48.560 --> 01:22:51.560 government um that yeah it's it's called 01:22:51.920 --> 01:22:54.215 out as a key action as to what we're 01:22:54.239 --> 01:22:57.239 doing in terms of increasing our 01:22:57.440 --> 01:22:59.256 developer contributions. ions discount 01:22:59.280 --> 01:23:02.280 from 85% to 100% for a period of 2 years 01:23:03.120 --> 01:23:04.936 over that 2-year period that should 01:23:04.960 --> 01:23:07.816 allow us ample time to assess you 01:23:07.840 --> 01:23:10.840 know if it's assisted in trying to get 01:23:10.880 --> 01:23:13.416 additional affordable housing into Lake 01:23:13.440 --> 01:23:16.296 Macquarie. so that's the genesis behind 01:23:16.320 --> 01:23:18.776 that one and effectively making sure 01:23:18.800 --> 01:23:21.655 that this is all tied together before 01:23:21.679 --> 01:23:24.376 we um you know provide this document to 01:23:24.400 --> 01:23:27.336 key stakeholders is the genesis behind 01:23:27.360 --> 01:23:30.360 item G. 01:23:30.560 --> 01:23:33.416 So are there other councilors looking 01:23:33.440 --> 01:23:36.215 to speak? There are and council Pauling 01:23:36.239 --> 01:23:38.936 over to you. thank you Mr Mayor 01:23:38.960 --> 01:23:41.016 firstly, I although there's a fair bit 01:23:41.040 --> 01:23:44.040 to take in there, um I speak in favor of 01:23:44.239 --> 01:23:46.615 the alternate motion and commend you for 01:23:46.639 --> 01:23:48.536 the the work and thoughts that you have 01:23:48.560 --> 01:23:51.560 put into how we should approach this. 01:23:52.159 --> 01:23:53.816 I think as a council across the board 01:23:53.840 --> 01:23:56.840 and equally um GQS for the forum itself. 01:23:58.239 --> 01:24:00.056 Um that was a commitment that you made 01:24:00.080 --> 01:24:02.695 and delivered on and I I think both 01:24:02.719 --> 01:24:05.016 those things are noteworthy. housing and 01:24:05.040 --> 01:24:08.040 particularly affordable housing is very 01:24:08.400 --> 01:24:10.296 difficult I think Australiawide right 01:24:10.320 --> 01:24:13.320 now. Um no less so here in Lake McCory 01:24:13.520 --> 01:24:16.456 and we as a council need to be mindful 01:24:16.480 --> 01:24:18.776 of that and do whatever we can to assist 01:24:18.800 --> 01:24:21.256 in terms of a whole range of matters. 01:24:21.280 --> 01:24:23.816 Um just in terms of some context I have 01:24:23.840 --> 01:24:25.736 a few questions through staff through 01:24:25.760 --> 01:24:28.760 yourself. Um in and first of all the the 01:24:28.800 --> 01:24:31.800 85% discount just confirmation for 01:24:32.159 --> 01:24:34.936 staff that that was indefinite. I can't 01:24:34.960 --> 01:24:36.936 recall that we put a sunset on that but 01:24:36.960 --> 01:24:39.960 just seeking clarity. I'll 01:24:41.520 --> 01:24:44.215 go to Mr. Antcliff. Mr. Mayor 01:24:44.239 --> 01:24:45.416 through you. That's correct. It was 01:24:45.440 --> 01:24:47.496 indefinite. Cool. Follow-up question. 01:24:47.520 --> 01:24:49.896 Have we got any insight to how 01:24:49.920 --> 01:24:52.215 successful that has been in promoting 01:24:52.239 --> 01:24:55.239 additional development above and 01:24:55.520 --> 01:24:58.376 beyond what was projected? Mr. Ankl, 01:24:58.400 --> 01:25:01.400 Mr. Mayor, through you um since the 01:25:01.840 --> 01:25:04.215 inception, it's supported about 12 01:25:04.239 --> 01:25:07.239 projects in the order of $570,000 01:25:08.960 --> 01:25:11.576 um as being the value of the discount. 01:25:11.600 --> 01:25:14.600 um data suggests that that it has been 01:25:14.960 --> 01:25:17.736 um had an impact on the viability of 01:25:17.760 --> 01:25:20.760 those projects. Absolutely. Um we we 01:25:21.360 --> 01:25:23.175 don't have a lot more data to support 01:25:23.199 --> 01:25:26.199 that. Yep. Cool. and the increasing 01:25:26.800 --> 01:25:29.800 that discount from 85% to 100%. I know 01:25:29.840 --> 01:25:31.736 that's very difficult to comment on, but 01:25:31.760 --> 01:25:34.215 if staff could make some comment about 01:25:34.239 --> 01:25:37.239 anticipated impacts. U Mr. Ankliffe. U 01:25:37.840 --> 01:25:40.536 Mr. Mayor through you. Um, councelor 01:25:40.560 --> 01:25:42.695 Pauling, when that discount came into 01:25:42.719 --> 01:25:44.776 effect, we made some calculations on 01:25:44.800 --> 01:25:47.416 what we thought the impact might be. 01:25:47.440 --> 01:25:49.976 the the 580ish,000 01:25:50.000 --> 01:25:53.000 is fairly consistent with that at 85%. 01:25:53.280 --> 01:25:56.215 Um, we've also made some calculations 01:25:56.239 --> 01:25:59.239 based on the potential increase to 100%. 01:25:59.280 --> 01:26:01.175 And that would push us out to around 01:26:01.199 --> 01:26:04.199 650. um that's consistent with the take 01:26:04.800 --> 01:26:06.615 up rate we've seen so far and what we'd 01:26:06.639 --> 01:26:08.695 expect to see pushing out into the next 01:26:08.719 --> 01:26:10.856 two years as a as a grand total. Okay, 01:26:10.880 --> 01:26:12.536 cool. thank you for that commentary. And 01:26:12.560 --> 01:26:14.456 once again, Mr. Mayor, um given that I 01:26:14.480 --> 01:26:16.135 am speaking highly of you this evening, 01:26:16.159 --> 01:26:18.456 I think the 2-year trial period u once 01:26:18.480 --> 01:26:20.776 again is a sensible approach to this 01:26:20.800 --> 01:26:22.695 in terms of let's see what happens. 01:26:22.719 --> 01:26:24.135 Let's get a handle on how much 01:26:24.159 --> 01:26:26.135 difference it does make. Let's assess 01:26:26.159 --> 01:26:27.816 that and review and then we can decide 01:26:27.840 --> 01:26:29.736 where we go from there. So I I speak 01:26:29.760 --> 01:26:32.760 wholeheartedly in favor of the concept, 01:26:32.800 --> 01:26:35.256 the forum and the alternative motion 01:26:35.280 --> 01:26:36.695 that's been put before us. thank you. 01:26:36.719 --> 01:26:38.856 thank thank you, Councelor Pauling. 01:26:38.880 --> 01:26:41.880 councelor Warner, 01:26:43.440 --> 01:26:46.440 sorry, all your questions. 01:26:49.760 --> 01:26:51.336 Okay, 01:26:51.360 --> 01:26:54.360 no worries. Councelor Conroy. 01:26:55.120 --> 01:26:57.175 thank you, Mr Mayor I'd like to 01:26:57.199 --> 01:27:00.199 speak in favor of your amendment. um 01:27:00.400 --> 01:27:02.536 particularly u parts all parts but 01:27:02.560 --> 01:27:05.096 particularly D and E um I think also 01:27:05.120 --> 01:27:08.120 reflect the parts D and E of the 01:27:08.159 --> 01:27:11.159 original Lake McCory Housing Forum um 01:27:11.679 --> 01:27:14.056 Mel minute that you brought to us um in 01:27:14.080 --> 01:27:17.080 November last year where we um voted to 01:27:17.120 --> 01:27:18.856 consider incorporating the outcomes from 01:27:18.880 --> 01:27:20.456 the Lake McCory Housing Forum into 01:27:20.480 --> 01:27:21.976 relevant council strategies and 01:27:22.000 --> 01:27:24.615 documents including strategically 01:27:24.639 --> 01:27:26.536 resoning land and increasing housing 01:27:26.560 --> 01:27:29.096 supply and that we note those um key 01:27:29.120 --> 01:27:31.096 outcomes and recommendations. So I think 01:27:31.120 --> 01:27:33.496 um by echoing parts D and E of the 01:27:33.520 --> 01:27:35.416 original motion in your amendment, I 01:27:35.440 --> 01:27:37.096 think that um is the follow through of 01:27:37.120 --> 01:27:39.896 the original intent of the housing forum 01:27:39.920 --> 01:27:42.920 and um I strongly endorse um those 01:27:43.520 --> 01:27:46.520 actions and um thank you for um a day 01:27:48.480 --> 01:27:51.416 that I thought would be interesting but 01:27:51.440 --> 01:27:54.056 was one where I particularly learned um 01:27:54.080 --> 01:27:56.376 a lot from all sectors. And I think one 01:27:56.400 --> 01:27:59.400 of the key um the key um parts of that 01:28:00.560 --> 01:28:03.560 day was putting developers alongside 01:28:03.600 --> 01:28:06.536 community housing providers alongside 01:28:06.560 --> 01:28:09.560 council and planning staff um and those 01:28:10.159 --> 01:28:12.776 who work out um work trying to solve 01:28:12.800 --> 01:28:14.215 many of the problems that are in our 01:28:14.239 --> 01:28:15.816 planning system. And um I think there 01:28:15.840 --> 01:28:18.695 was a lot of value in um the hard work 01:28:18.719 --> 01:28:20.296 that council staff did to achieve that. 01:28:20.320 --> 01:28:23.320 Um, but I think it um 01:28:23.360 --> 01:28:25.336 definitely meant there was a better 01:28:25.360 --> 01:28:27.496 synthesis of information rather than the 01:28:27.520 --> 01:28:29.336 loudest voice in the room trying to win 01:28:29.360 --> 01:28:32.360 the argument. 01:28:33.040 --> 01:28:35.336 thank you, Councelor Conroy. Are there 01:28:35.360 --> 01:28:38.135 any other speakers? 01:28:38.159 --> 01:28:40.615 Councelor Schultz, 01:28:40.639 --> 01:28:42.615 I got in. I'm last minute. I'm a bit 01:28:42.639 --> 01:28:45.639 slow on the teams, but I speak 01:28:46.560 --> 01:28:49.560 in support of this motion. originally 01:28:50.880 --> 01:28:53.016 when the meal minute came, I must 01:28:53.040 --> 01:28:55.976 confess I was nervous that it was going 01:28:56.000 --> 01:28:58.936 to be a talkfest um that wouldn't 01:28:58.960 --> 01:29:01.960 materialize in genuine actions that 01:29:02.320 --> 01:29:04.776 would see um the housing crisis 01:29:04.800 --> 01:29:07.576 addressed. Um I was impressed with the 01:29:07.600 --> 01:29:10.056 way that the housing forum was run and 01:29:10.080 --> 01:29:12.456 the conversations that were run had 01:29:12.480 --> 01:29:15.480 on the day across the tables and how 01:29:16.000 --> 01:29:19.000 a range of stakeholders were invited to 01:29:19.280 --> 01:29:22.280 address critical issues that we are 01:29:23.120 --> 01:29:25.496 facing within our um geographical 01:29:25.520 --> 01:29:28.520 context. Um and so in the principle of 01:29:29.760 --> 01:29:32.536 that I'm supportive of this motion. I do 01:29:32.560 --> 01:29:35.560 have some questions for 01:29:35.679 --> 01:29:38.679 I think staff um with regards to 01:29:40.480 --> 01:29:42.056 particularly 01:29:42.080 --> 01:29:45.080 item F and the developer 01:29:46.480 --> 01:29:49.480 contributions. So the first one is um 01:29:52.239 --> 01:29:55.239 what definition do we use for affordable 01:29:55.600 --> 01:29:58.600 housing? Is is there a because that was 01:29:58.719 --> 01:30:00.536 one of the issues that was raised on the 01:30:00.560 --> 01:30:03.560 day. that there is a lot of ambiguity 01:30:03.840 --> 01:30:06.056 around affordable housing and if we're 01:30:06.080 --> 01:30:07.816 going to give discounts, is there a 01:30:07.840 --> 01:30:10.840 definitive definition that we're using? 01:30:11.040 --> 01:30:13.256 Mr. Antcliff, Mr. Mayor through to 01:30:13.280 --> 01:30:15.655 you, councelor Schultz, we typically 01:30:15.679 --> 01:30:18.679 adopt the form of if it's operated by a 01:30:19.760 --> 01:30:22.760 CHP, by a community housing provider, it 01:30:22.880 --> 01:30:24.376 falls under the definition of of 01:30:24.400 --> 01:30:27.400 affordable housing as opposed to u 01:30:28.000 --> 01:30:29.736 market housing that may be more 01:30:29.760 --> 01:30:32.760 affordable. we tend we use the the 01:30:33.120 --> 01:30:36.120 formal definition. Okay. thank you. That 01:30:36.239 --> 01:30:37.816 answers that one. Mr. Mayor, I do have 01:30:37.840 --> 01:30:40.840 another followup with regards to 01:30:42.239 --> 01:30:44.615 there would be no material impact on 01:30:44.639 --> 01:30:47.175 services or assets provided as a result 01:30:47.199 --> 01:30:50.199 of less income in the developer 01:30:51.280 --> 01:30:54.280 contributions. Mr. Aniff, Mr. Mayor, 01:30:54.800 --> 01:30:56.536 you that's correct. there'll be no 01:30:56.560 --> 01:30:59.175 material impact on the total value of 01:30:59.199 --> 01:31:02.199 the development contributions um fund. 01:31:06.480 --> 01:31:09.480 thank you. Mr. Mayor, the 01:31:12.000 --> 01:31:15.000 last question is with regards to 01:31:16.400 --> 01:31:19.400 um social housing. This doesn't apply to 01:31:20.719 --> 01:31:23.336 social housing as well. 01:31:23.360 --> 01:31:26.135 Mr. and cliff. 01:31:26.159 --> 01:31:29.159 I'll just take some advice. Mr. 01:32:04.800 --> 01:32:07.496 Um I'm sorry Mr. Mayor through you. Um 01:32:07.520 --> 01:32:10.056 at the moment it doesn't apply to social 01:32:10.080 --> 01:32:13.080 housing. Part of the action that already 01:32:13.520 --> 01:32:15.416 has been captured under the housing 01:32:15.440 --> 01:32:16.936 forum that will be reported back to 01:32:16.960 --> 01:32:19.096 councilors is to investigate whether 01:32:19.120 --> 01:32:22.120 expansion to social is required. 01:32:26.080 --> 01:32:28.376 supplementary on that one then Mr. 01:32:28.400 --> 01:32:31.400 Mayor would it be that most of the 01:32:31.840 --> 01:32:33.576 social housing that is provided is 01:32:33.600 --> 01:32:36.215 provided by the state government 01:32:36.239 --> 01:32:38.135 therefore 01:32:38.159 --> 01:32:40.615 no like that's why it's not included I'm 01:32:40.639 --> 01:32:43.175 just checking 01:32:43.199 --> 01:32:46.199 Mr. An Mr. meth you that's correct um I 01:32:48.400 --> 01:32:50.135 want to make sure there isn't a 01:32:50.159 --> 01:32:53.159 proportion that's also provided by CHPS 01:32:53.280 --> 01:32:55.496 hence the reason that we wanted to 01:32:55.520 --> 01:32:57.896 investigate that as part of the action 01:32:57.920 --> 01:32:59.816 but your the premise of your statement 01:32:59.840 --> 01:33:01.576 is correct that the vast majority is 01:33:01.600 --> 01:33:03.736 provided by government excellent thank 01:33:03.760 --> 01:33:05.175 you that's I just want to make sure that 01:33:05.199 --> 01:33:07.175 we're not giving extra money to the 01:33:07.199 --> 01:33:09.096 state government that we don't need to 01:33:09.120 --> 01:33:10.856 because we need the money here in the 01:33:10.880 --> 01:33:13.880 city um to provide important assets and 01:33:14.159 --> 01:33:17.159 and capital works. Um so that's um in 01:33:18.880 --> 01:33:20.936 principle I'm support I I I really 01:33:20.960 --> 01:33:23.016 appreciate the innovations that some of 01:33:23.040 --> 01:33:25.336 the staff have at port and have been 01:33:25.360 --> 01:33:27.416 reported in the Herald around social 01:33:27.440 --> 01:33:29.416 housing as well. social and 01:33:29.440 --> 01:33:32.440 affordable housing um and some of the 01:33:32.560 --> 01:33:35.560 initiatives around using our um unused 01:33:35.920 --> 01:33:38.920 land. Um it is an exciting aspect and so 01:33:39.440 --> 01:33:41.976 I support this motion. thank you 01:33:42.000 --> 01:33:43.976 councelor Schultz. Deputy Mayor 01:33:44.000 --> 01:33:47.000 Antcliff. thank you, Mr Mayor A few 01:33:47.679 --> 01:33:50.536 brief remarks from me. I speak in favor 01:33:50.560 --> 01:33:52.215 of this, but I speak in particular in 01:33:52.239 --> 01:33:54.776 favor of part B because I think I think 01:33:54.800 --> 01:33:56.936 this is where for us the the rubber 01:33:56.960 --> 01:33:58.615 really does hit the road. This is us 01:33:58.639 --> 01:34:01.416 talking about the actions that we're 01:34:01.440 --> 01:34:03.576 committing ourselves to as a chamber. I 01:34:03.600 --> 01:34:06.600 certainly support all points listed, but 01:34:06.639 --> 01:34:08.135 I do really think that it is worth 01:34:08.159 --> 01:34:09.816 drawing attention to some of the points 01:34:09.840 --> 01:34:12.695 that that are mapped out. You mentioned 01:34:12.719 --> 01:34:14.936 the word brave and innovate earlier as 01:34:14.960 --> 01:34:16.615 themes that were discussed. I wasn't 01:34:16.639 --> 01:34:18.615 able to be there on the day, but I heard 01:34:18.639 --> 01:34:21.096 wonderful feedback on getting all key 01:34:21.120 --> 01:34:23.736 stakeholders into the room and what that 01:34:23.760 --> 01:34:26.536 can drive. We are of course a city on 01:34:26.560 --> 01:34:28.456 the move. We are a city that is growing 01:34:28.480 --> 01:34:30.615 and we are a city that is incredibly 01:34:30.639 --> 01:34:33.336 desirable for people to live in and um 01:34:33.360 --> 01:34:35.336 that desiraability isn't going anywhere 01:34:35.360 --> 01:34:38.215 anytime soon. So certainly I believe 01:34:38.239 --> 01:34:40.296 that brave and innovate sum it up well 01:34:40.320 --> 01:34:43.175 and I also support us hitting the road 01:34:43.199 --> 01:34:45.416 with those actions. The people of our 01:34:45.440 --> 01:34:47.976 city across community engagement we do 01:34:48.000 --> 01:34:51.000 have given us the go I suppose to to go 01:34:51.840 --> 01:34:53.256 out there and drive the next generation 01:34:53.280 --> 01:34:54.856 of growth. We have an opportunity in 01:34:54.880 --> 01:34:56.856 this city and this council has made 01:34:56.880 --> 01:34:58.856 difficult decisions on controversial 01:34:58.880 --> 01:35:00.615 projects in the past that show our 01:35:00.639 --> 01:35:03.639 willingness to be brave and to innovate. 01:35:04.159 --> 01:35:05.976 Um there's some important notes in there 01:35:06.000 --> 01:35:07.175 about lobbying state and federal 01:35:07.199 --> 01:35:08.536 government and of course we should 01:35:08.560 --> 01:35:10.296 continue to do that as much as we can 01:35:10.320 --> 01:35:11.816 wherever there is a dollar that someone 01:35:11.840 --> 01:35:14.296 else can can hand us. Um I don't think 01:35:14.320 --> 01:35:16.376 we'll say no but I also think we're 01:35:16.400 --> 01:35:18.856 reasonable. We should be pushing and 01:35:18.880 --> 01:35:21.016 owning that opportunity on our own. 01:35:21.040 --> 01:35:22.615 Sometimes that will mean putting our 01:35:22.639 --> 01:35:24.776 hand in our own pocket where reasonable. 01:35:24.800 --> 01:35:27.256 Um and I do bring note in particular to 01:35:27.280 --> 01:35:28.776 some of the vision in the document 01:35:28.800 --> 01:35:30.536 around direct market intervention. I 01:35:30.560 --> 01:35:33.175 think this is a wonderful document um 01:35:33.199 --> 01:35:34.776 that will be added to with your 01:35:34.800 --> 01:35:36.936 amendment and I speak wholeheartedly in 01:35:36.960 --> 01:35:38.695 favor of it. thank you, Mr Mayor thank 01:35:38.719 --> 01:35:41.016 you, Deputy Mayor Antcliff. there 01:35:41.040 --> 01:35:42.695 doesn't appear to be anyone else looking 01:35:42.719 --> 01:35:45.719 for the call, so I might wrap up with 01:35:46.159 --> 01:35:47.976 my right of reply, which would be very 01:35:48.000 --> 01:35:51.000 succinct. Um yeah, thank you councilors 01:35:51.440 --> 01:35:53.736 for your input and your investment and 01:35:53.760 --> 01:35:56.760 time and energy in our housing forum. Um 01:35:58.080 --> 01:36:00.456 yeah, we want tangible outcomes for the 01:36:00.480 --> 01:36:02.615 benefit of the city and the people that 01:36:02.639 --> 01:36:05.639 reside here. as deputy Mayor Antcliff 01:36:06.000 --> 01:36:08.376 referred to there will be an update 01:36:08.400 --> 01:36:11.096 on the progress of the implementation 01:36:11.120 --> 01:36:12.856 after 12 months which is really 01:36:12.880 --> 01:36:15.880 important but also just calling out you 01:36:16.159 --> 01:36:18.215 know at a high level some of the 01:36:18.239 --> 01:36:19.736 initiatives that this will look to 01:36:19.760 --> 01:36:21.655 implement. So, an audit of our 01:36:21.679 --> 01:36:24.296 residential land holdings, pilot 01:36:24.320 --> 01:36:26.456 projects in terms of tiny homes, 01:36:26.480 --> 01:36:29.480 manufactured homes, 100% discount for 01:36:30.159 --> 01:36:31.976 a 2-year period on developer 01:36:32.000 --> 01:36:34.376 contributions for affordable housing, 01:36:34.400 --> 01:36:36.856 and then a review to see, you know, did 01:36:36.880 --> 01:36:39.496 that light the wick on that 01:36:39.520 --> 01:36:41.576 initiative or is there other initiatives 01:36:41.600 --> 01:36:44.215 that we could look to complement that 01:36:44.239 --> 01:36:47.016 or or tweak things around? as well as 01:36:47.040 --> 01:36:49.095 developer contribution reform which will 01:36:49.119 --> 01:36:51.655 be coming to us in the next month or so. 01:36:51.679 --> 01:36:53.976 we passed our housing diversity 01:36:54.000 --> 01:36:56.856 initiatives a few months back and that's 01:36:56.880 --> 01:36:59.416 all about trying to get that strategic 01:36:59.440 --> 01:37:01.416 infill housing in and around our 01:37:01.440 --> 01:37:03.976 existing economic centers. May that be 01:37:04.000 --> 01:37:06.615 town houses or you know units 01:37:06.639 --> 01:37:09.639 strategically placed. Um so there's 01:37:10.080 --> 01:37:12.215 those initiatives as well as you know 01:37:12.239 --> 01:37:15.239 reviewing our housing strategy. and 01:37:15.360 --> 01:37:17.655 the big one for me is, you know, getting 01:37:17.679 --> 01:37:19.576 that buy in and we got that buy in. We 01:37:19.600 --> 01:37:21.976 had 73 different organizations around 01:37:22.000 --> 01:37:24.536 the room and I'm sure there's a treasure 01:37:24.560 --> 01:37:27.560 trove of ideas out of that. That's 01:37:27.679 --> 01:37:29.416 why it's really important to get those 01:37:29.440 --> 01:37:30.936 581 01:37:30.960 --> 01:37:33.960 initiatives, 340 planning systems ideas, 01:37:34.800 --> 01:37:37.800 93 finance and economic, 140 social and 01:37:38.400 --> 01:37:40.376 affordable housing ideas. And I think 01:37:40.400 --> 01:37:42.776 it's up to all of us to go away and 01:37:42.800 --> 01:37:45.576 review that. Um if there's certain 01:37:45.600 --> 01:37:47.175 elements that people are passionate 01:37:47.199 --> 01:37:49.496 about, bring them forward via a notice 01:37:49.520 --> 01:37:52.520 of motions for council staff to look 01:37:53.199 --> 01:37:55.336 to, you know, investigate and do the due 01:37:55.360 --> 01:37:57.175 diligence before potentially they are 01:37:57.199 --> 01:38:00.199 added into our tangible outcomes that 01:38:00.560 --> 01:38:01.976 we're we're hoping to deliver for the 01:38:02.000 --> 01:38:04.536 people of late McCory. So with that, 01:38:04.560 --> 01:38:07.560 that closes debate. and I will put 01:38:09.679 --> 01:38:12.215 25 SP04 01:38:12.239 --> 01:38:14.856 outcomes of the late Macquarie Housing 01:38:14.880 --> 01:38:17.880 Forum which was moved by myself 01:38:18.560 --> 01:38:20.856 and seconded by Deputy Mayor Antcliff. 01:38:20.880 --> 01:38:22.536 And I'll do that via a show of hands. 01:38:22.560 --> 01:38:24.215 All those in favor, please raise your 01:38:24.239 --> 01:38:26.536 hand. Deputy Mayor Antcliff, 01:38:26.560 --> 01:38:28.376 Councelor Grig, Councelor Conroy, 01:38:28.400 --> 01:38:30.456 Councelor Bishop, Councelor Warner, 01:38:30.480 --> 01:38:32.456 Councelor Pauling, Council Swinsburg, 01:38:32.480 --> 01:38:34.536 Councelor Buckley, Council Schultz, 01:38:34.560 --> 01:38:36.776 Council Radcliffe, 01:38:36.800 --> 01:38:39.655 Mayor Adam Schultz. Those against, there 01:38:39.679 --> 01:38:41.336 being no opposition, I declare it 01:38:41.360 --> 01:38:42.936 carried unanimously. thank you, 01:38:42.960 --> 01:38:45.960 councilors. 01:38:46.159 --> 01:38:49.159 Our next report, councilors, is from the 01:38:49.280 --> 01:38:51.896 director of organizational services. 01:38:51.920 --> 01:38:54.920 Tonight we have one item on the agenda 01:38:55.440 --> 01:38:58.440 which is 25 SP045 01:38:59.119 --> 01:39:00.856 code of meeting practice for public 01:39:00.880 --> 01:39:03.095 exhibition and again councils I'll look 01:39:03.119 --> 01:39:06.119 for a mover and a seconder. 01:39:06.239 --> 01:39:08.456 councelor Conroy you're moving that 01:39:08.480 --> 01:39:11.095 way and seconded councelor Warner. thank 01:39:11.119 --> 01:39:13.416 you. Councelor Conroy did you want to 01:39:13.440 --> 01:39:16.440 speak to that item? just very briefly 01:39:16.880 --> 01:39:18.615 that um these are basically the rules of 01:39:18.639 --> 01:39:20.856 play that we used during the council 01:39:20.880 --> 01:39:23.880 meeting. Um the you Mr. Mayor as the 01:39:24.239 --> 01:39:26.456 chair have referred to foreshadowed 01:39:26.480 --> 01:39:29.095 motions and um when we've been dealing 01:39:29.119 --> 01:39:31.416 with amendments this is how we keep our 01:39:31.440 --> 01:39:34.296 meetings um procedurally fair so that 01:39:34.320 --> 01:39:37.175 all counselors can participate and also 01:39:37.199 --> 01:39:38.856 transparent for the community to 01:39:38.880 --> 01:39:41.880 understand what is going on and um 01:39:42.400 --> 01:39:45.336 the limitations of of various powers in 01:39:45.360 --> 01:39:48.296 this document. Um again relieved that um 01:39:48.320 --> 01:39:50.456 there are many sections of this document 01:39:50.480 --> 01:39:52.456 that we don't utilize regularly but they 01:39:52.480 --> 01:39:54.215 are there as a safety net again to 01:39:54.239 --> 01:39:57.239 ensure um a high standard of behavior at 01:39:58.239 --> 01:40:00.376 our meetings which um helps to ensure 01:40:00.400 --> 01:40:01.976 good outcomes for the city of Lake 01:40:02.000 --> 01:40:04.135 Macquarie. 01:40:04.159 --> 01:40:07.159 thank you councelor Conroy. 01:40:07.520 --> 01:40:10.296 council is there anyone else looking 01:40:10.320 --> 01:40:13.320 for the call? Doesn't appear to be. 01:40:15.119 --> 01:40:18.119 so I will put 25 SP045 code of 01:40:18.880 --> 01:40:20.856 meeting practice for public exhibition 01:40:20.880 --> 01:40:23.416 moved by councelor Conroy seconded by 01:40:23.440 --> 01:40:25.175 councelor Warner and we'll do that via 01:40:25.199 --> 01:40:27.336 show of hands. All those in favor please 01:40:27.360 --> 01:40:29.896 raise your hand. those in favor, 01:40:29.920 --> 01:40:31.736 Deputy Mayor Antcliff, Councelor Grigg, 01:40:31.760 --> 01:40:33.655 Councelor Conroy, Councelor Bishop, 01:40:33.679 --> 01:40:35.496 Councelor Warner, Councelor Pauling, 01:40:35.520 --> 01:40:37.896 Councelor Swinsburg, Councelor Buckley, 01:40:37.920 --> 01:40:40.695 Councelor Schultz, Council Radcliffe, 01:40:40.719 --> 01:40:43.095 Mayor Adam Schultz. Those against, there 01:40:43.119 --> 01:40:44.776 being no opposition, I declare it 01:40:44.800 --> 01:40:46.456 carried unanimously. thank you, 01:40:46.480 --> 01:40:49.480 councilors. 01:40:51.199 --> 01:40:54.199 Okay. So, our next two reports this 01:40:55.199 --> 01:40:57.095 evening come from the director of 01:40:57.119 --> 01:40:59.016 service delivery. 01:40:59.040 --> 01:41:02.040 The first item is 25 SP046 01:41:05.199 --> 01:41:08.199 event funding program round one 2025 to 01:41:10.080 --> 01:41:11.976 2026. 01:41:12.000 --> 01:41:14.135 And I'm going to seek a procedural 01:41:14.159 --> 01:41:17.159 motion for this item. and that is 01:41:17.920 --> 01:41:20.920 that council deals with 01:41:21.199 --> 01:41:23.496 25 SP046 01:41:23.520 --> 01:41:26.520 events funding program round 1 2025 to 01:41:28.159 --> 01:41:31.159 2026 in parts or on a one by one basis 01:41:32.880 --> 01:41:35.880 or AD serriatum as council Pauling 01:41:35.920 --> 01:41:38.920 refers to it and votes on those parts 01:41:38.960 --> 01:41:41.336 separately due to a number of 01:41:41.360 --> 01:41:44.296 declarations of interest and quorum 01:41:44.320 --> 01:41:46.536 potential issues. So, I'll look for a 01:41:46.560 --> 01:41:48.615 procedural motion moving that way. 01:41:48.639 --> 01:41:50.456 Councelor Grigg, thank you. And 01:41:50.480 --> 01:41:53.480 seconded, Councelor Bishop. thank you. 01:41:55.360 --> 01:41:58.056 and I'll do that by a show of hands 01:41:58.080 --> 01:42:00.536 just for formalities. those in 01:42:00.560 --> 01:42:02.695 favor, Deputy Mayor Anliffe, Councelor 01:42:02.719 --> 01:42:04.695 Greg, Councelor Conroy, Councelor 01:42:04.719 --> 01:42:06.936 Bishop, Councelor Warner, Councelor 01:42:06.960 --> 01:42:08.856 Pauling, Councelor Swinsburg, Councelor 01:42:08.880 --> 01:42:10.456 Buckley, Councelor Schultz, Council 01:42:10.480 --> 01:42:13.416 Radcliffe, Mayor Adam Schultz. Those 01:42:13.440 --> 01:42:15.095 against there being no opposition, I 01:42:15.119 --> 01:42:18.119 declare it carried unanimously. 01:42:19.040 --> 01:42:22.040 So, 01:42:23.040 --> 01:42:26.040 in terms of an alternate motion, 01:42:26.960 --> 01:42:29.960 the first one, do we have a I've got 01:42:30.880 --> 01:42:33.496 something here. 01:42:33.520 --> 01:42:36.520 We'll just pause for a sec. 01:42:41.600 --> 01:42:44.600 So the alternate motion tonight and I'll 01:42:44.800 --> 01:42:47.800 be seeking a mover in a second on this 01:42:48.239 --> 01:42:51.239 is first up um so council funds 01:42:52.880 --> 01:42:55.880 application numbers 1 3 5 6 7 11 14 20 01:43:00.400 --> 01:43:03.400 21 23 25 26 27 28 and 29 as part of the 01:43:06.960 --> 01:43:09.960 event funding. program round 1 2025 to 01:43:10.880 --> 01:43:12.456 2026 01:43:12.480 --> 01:43:15.480 to applicants and for amounts as 01:43:16.000 --> 01:43:19.000 detailed in attachment one of the report 01:43:19.679 --> 01:43:22.679 and B does not fund application numbers 01:43:24.480 --> 01:43:27.480 number 4 8 9 12 13 17 and 24 as part of 01:43:31.520 --> 01:43:34.520 the event funding program round 1 2025 01:43:35.280 --> 01:43:38.280 to 2026 as detailed in attachment 01:43:39.840 --> 01:43:42.376 one of the report and I will look for a 01:43:42.400 --> 01:43:45.400 mover on that. thank you councelor 01:43:45.520 --> 01:43:48.520 Grigg. thank you and seconded deputy 01:43:48.639 --> 01:43:51.175 Mayor and cliff. 01:43:51.199 --> 01:43:54.056 Councelor Grig did you want to speak to 01:43:54.080 --> 01:43:56.615 the item? 01:43:56.639 --> 01:43:58.456 no thank you Mr. Mayor I'm bedazzled 01:43:58.480 --> 01:44:00.615 by the numbers. 01:44:00.639 --> 01:44:02.856 thank you. 01:44:02.880 --> 01:44:05.576 councelor Pauling you're looking for 01:44:05.600 --> 01:44:07.095 the call. 01:44:07.119 --> 01:44:09.175 thank you, Mr Mayor I too am dazzled 01:44:09.199 --> 01:44:12.199 by the numbers. Um, but that said, I 01:44:12.480 --> 01:44:15.480 speak against the motion. Okay. on 01:44:16.400 --> 01:44:18.776 the basis that I can't in good 01:44:18.800 --> 01:44:21.800 conscience support the less than 01:44:22.159 --> 01:44:24.776 requested funding for ANZAC days being 01:44:24.800 --> 01:44:27.800 event 3, 8, and 10. I don't think 01:44:31.119 --> 01:44:32.376 there's any others. I'm pretty sure that 01:44:32.400 --> 01:44:34.776 pulls them all up. Um, and I would move 01:44:34.800 --> 01:44:37.800 an amendment of the form. This is where 01:44:38.000 --> 01:44:39.336 it'll get tricky. I like to pull those 01:44:39.360 --> 01:44:41.496 three out and move that they be fully 01:44:41.520 --> 01:44:43.816 funded. 01:44:43.840 --> 01:44:46.840 Okay. 01:44:47.040 --> 01:44:50.040 I'll do you want to populate that? I 01:44:50.560 --> 01:44:53.560 don't. Oh, yes. I have a 10 declaration, 01:44:54.080 --> 01:44:57.080 so I'm out for 10. 01:44:58.400 --> 01:45:01.400 Yeah. Okay. Yep. given I have an item 01:45:02.400 --> 01:45:04.456 an interest in item 10. Are you 01:45:04.480 --> 01:45:06.296 comfortable and I'll have to bake the 01:45:06.320 --> 01:45:09.320 chair. Are you comfortable that we move 01:45:09.840 --> 01:45:12.536 or you're putting forward an amendment 01:45:12.560 --> 01:45:15.560 which you can state again I guess and 01:45:17.199 --> 01:45:19.175 reference three and eight but exclude 10 01:45:19.199 --> 01:45:21.256 and 10 can be dealt with separately when 01:45:21.280 --> 01:45:24.280 I vacate the chair a little later. That 01:45:24.400 --> 01:45:26.215 sounds like an awesome solution. thank 01:45:26.239 --> 01:45:28.695 you. I'm more dazzled by numbers than I 01:45:28.719 --> 01:45:31.719 was when I when this matter started. 01:45:32.800 --> 01:45:35.800 Yep. So, do you just want to just repeat 01:45:35.840 --> 01:45:38.840 your amendment and then we'll look for a 01:45:38.880 --> 01:45:41.175 seconder? 01:45:41.199 --> 01:45:43.576 So, I think it was 01:45:43.600 --> 01:45:46.600 A and A and B and then there was a C. 01:45:47.199 --> 01:45:50.199 Ah, it it was effect if the upshot is 01:45:51.440 --> 01:45:54.440 that three and eight be funded in full. 01:45:56.320 --> 01:45:59.256 Three and I think eight needs to be in 01:45:59.280 --> 01:46:01.416 the one 01:46:01.440 --> 01:46:03.256 if they were to get injected into part 01:46:03.280 --> 01:46:05.655 A. 01:46:05.679 --> 01:46:07.736 That would satisfy my immediate 01:46:07.760 --> 01:46:09.736 requirements. 01:46:09.760 --> 01:46:12.760 Okay, 01:46:13.600 --> 01:46:15.336 we'll just pause for a sec. funny 01:46:15.360 --> 01:46:18.360 application as applicants for the Oh, 01:46:18.400 --> 01:46:20.296 sorry. Yeah, sorry. No, I I can't do 01:46:20.320 --> 01:46:23.320 that, but due to the wording. 01:46:26.239 --> 01:46:28.056 So, I suppose there's a part C that says 01:46:28.080 --> 01:46:30.456 notwithstanding A 01:46:30.480 --> 01:46:32.936 three and eight be funded in full at the 01:46:32.960 --> 01:46:35.960 amount of $2,000. 01:46:38.960 --> 01:46:41.960 Okay, we'll look for a seconder, 01:46:43.520 --> 01:46:46.520 of course. Councelor Swinsburg. 01:46:46.880 --> 01:46:49.880 thank you. So, Councelor Pauling, do you 01:46:50.480 --> 01:46:52.215 want to speak to that? Yeah, very 01:46:52.239 --> 01:46:54.776 briefly. Um, this happens nearly every 01:46:54.800 --> 01:46:56.296 time we go around. I know that there's 01:46:56.320 --> 01:46:58.376 other funding sources. I know that the 01:46:58.400 --> 01:47:01.400 ANZAC clubs um have the ability to 01:47:01.679 --> 01:47:04.679 potentially inject funds by other means. 01:47:05.199 --> 01:47:08.199 Notwithstanding any of that, 01:47:09.280 --> 01:47:10.936 I'll be careful with my words here. 01:47:10.960 --> 01:47:13.336 there is one day a year and they have 01:47:13.360 --> 01:47:16.360 cared enough to ask us for support. 01:47:16.880 --> 01:47:19.175 I find it very difficult in good 01:47:19.199 --> 01:47:22.199 conscious to not honor that call. Um as 01:47:23.760 --> 01:47:25.016 I said we've been round and round this 01:47:25.040 --> 01:47:27.336 many many other times. I I don't want to 01:47:27.360 --> 01:47:29.016 play the merits of one against the 01:47:29.040 --> 01:47:30.776 other. in terms of the requests that 01:47:30.800 --> 01:47:32.296 we've had here, there is a large number 01:47:32.320 --> 01:47:34.936 of requests, but I do highlight that the 01:47:34.960 --> 01:47:37.256 total number recommended was of the 01:47:37.280 --> 01:47:40.280 order of 75,000 leaving 95,000 in the 01:47:40.800 --> 01:47:43.736 kitty. Um the net impact of the changes 01:47:43.760 --> 01:47:46.760 that I'm requesting in this change will 01:47:47.440 --> 01:47:50.440 be $3,000. So that'll take us from 75 to 01:47:50.880 --> 01:47:53.880 78 leaving 92,000 in the kitty give or 01:47:54.639 --> 01:47:57.639 take. um with I suppose a foreshadow of 01:47:59.119 --> 01:48:02.119 requesting change to application 10 in 01:48:02.800 --> 01:48:04.936 due course. Um but notwithstanding any 01:48:04.960 --> 01:48:07.960 of that I I feel strongly about this um 01:48:09.360 --> 01:48:11.416 and would ask my fellow counselors to 01:48:11.440 --> 01:48:14.056 consider that. thank you councelor 01:48:14.080 --> 01:48:17.080 Pauling. councelor Conroy. 01:48:17.760 --> 01:48:20.695 thank you. I'm also bedazzled by the 01:48:20.719 --> 01:48:23.719 numbers. So my first question is I'm my 01:48:25.440 --> 01:48:28.440 assumption that those numbers align with 01:48:29.119 --> 01:48:31.256 the conflicts of interest in the room. 01:48:31.280 --> 01:48:33.336 So at the moment presently this 01:48:33.360 --> 01:48:35.976 amendment deals with in terms of the 01:48:36.000 --> 01:48:38.456 numbers parts A 01:48:38.480 --> 01:48:41.175 and B are dealing with everyone can be 01:48:41.199 --> 01:48:43.336 in the room for part A cuz no one has 01:48:43.360 --> 01:48:44.936 conflict significant conflicts of 01:48:44.960 --> 01:48:46.695 interest that exclude them where they'd 01:48:46.719 --> 01:48:49.719 be leaving the room and parts B are the 01:48:50.239 --> 01:48:53.016 ones where we're not necessarily 01:48:53.040 --> 01:48:56.040 refusing funding at this like full stop. 01:48:56.159 --> 01:48:59.095 We are just not funding them all the 01:48:59.119 --> 01:49:01.175 counselors who have conflict. Oh, sorry. 01:49:01.199 --> 01:49:04.199 Yeah. So, we'll just I'll go to Miss 01:49:04.719 --> 01:49:07.719 Davies just in terms of clarify that Mr. 01:49:08.400 --> 01:49:11.400 May I can do that. Um councelor Conroy. 01:49:11.920 --> 01:49:14.920 part the numbers in part A and part B 01:49:15.760 --> 01:49:18.536 are all of the items that none of the 01:49:18.560 --> 01:49:21.560 counselors have declared a conflict in. 01:49:22.560 --> 01:49:24.536 Yeah. Perfect. So in the table in 01:49:24.560 --> 01:49:27.560 attachment one there are there are um 01:49:28.000 --> 01:49:29.576 events recommended for funding and there 01:49:29.600 --> 01:49:32.600 are events not recommended. This first 01:49:33.119 --> 01:49:35.416 item is everything that everyone can be 01:49:35.440 --> 01:49:36.936 in the room for and then we will 01:49:36.960 --> 01:49:39.496 numerically move through and people will 01:49:39.520 --> 01:49:42.135 leave and come back as we deal with 01:49:42.159 --> 01:49:44.456 items where we know we have conflicts. 01:49:44.480 --> 01:49:47.416 thank you. I got bedazzled by adversary 01:49:47.440 --> 01:49:49.016 item as well and thought we were just 01:49:49.040 --> 01:49:51.016 going to go one, two, three, four and 01:49:51.040 --> 01:49:52.456 people shuffling out of the room, but 01:49:52.480 --> 01:49:53.816 this makes a lot more sense. So, thank 01:49:53.840 --> 01:49:56.840 you for um 01:49:57.840 --> 01:50:00.840 um thank you for that clarification. Um 01:50:02.560 --> 01:50:05.560 I am a little bit ambivalent on the um 01:50:07.840 --> 01:50:10.056 the amendment um of part C. I'm 01:50:10.080 --> 01:50:11.655 supportive. I I I think you make a 01:50:11.679 --> 01:50:14.135 really good point, councelor Pauling, 01:50:14.159 --> 01:50:15.655 that it is not a large amount of money, 01:50:15.679 --> 01:50:18.536 which is probably why um I'm happy to 01:50:18.560 --> 01:50:21.560 support, but I will note that um 01:50:21.920 --> 01:50:24.615 the the items um being proposed at this 01:50:24.639 --> 01:50:27.496 point are longstanding services that um 01:50:27.520 --> 01:50:29.655 council has funded and and provided a 01:50:29.679 --> 01:50:32.679 lot of inind support for for many years. 01:50:32.719 --> 01:50:35.719 Um but um noting that that I will 01:50:38.320 --> 01:50:40.456 will note that I find Remembrance Day as 01:50:40.480 --> 01:50:42.376 equally important as Anzac Day. This is 01:50:42.400 --> 01:50:43.816 not the one day of the year. I'm really 01:50:43.840 --> 01:50:46.840 sorry. I think um um Remembrance Day is 01:50:46.880 --> 01:50:49.880 um a solemn and um occasion where we 01:50:51.199 --> 01:50:54.135 remember the ultimate sacrifice made um 01:50:54.159 --> 01:50:56.376 by those defending um our country and 01:50:56.400 --> 01:50:57.976 other countries. And at this point in 01:50:58.000 --> 01:51:00.296 time um that's really important to 01:51:00.320 --> 01:51:02.695 remember. thank you. thank you, 01:51:02.719 --> 01:51:04.215 councelor Conroy. I've just got a 01:51:04.239 --> 01:51:05.416 question of staff and then we'll 01:51:05.440 --> 01:51:08.440 continue on with other questions. 01:51:08.639 --> 01:51:11.639 just in terms of part C, so numbers 01:51:12.719 --> 01:51:15.719 three and eight, can staff provide some 01:51:15.760 --> 01:51:18.695 context as to why they weren't 01:51:18.719 --> 01:51:21.719 originally proposed to be to be funded? 01:51:22.239 --> 01:51:25.239 is my burning question. 01:51:25.520 --> 01:51:28.456 Um Mr. Mayor through you. My first 01:51:28.480 --> 01:51:29.896 recommendation would be that members of 01:51:29.920 --> 01:51:31.576 the committee might be able to provide 01:51:31.600 --> 01:51:33.816 that advice and if not then staff can 01:51:33.840 --> 01:51:35.416 can support the members of the committee 01:51:35.440 --> 01:51:38.056 in that. thank you. Is there any members 01:51:38.080 --> 01:51:39.416 of the committee that were present that 01:51:39.440 --> 01:51:42.440 would like to provide some context as to 01:51:43.520 --> 01:51:46.376 yeah numbers three and eight 01:51:46.400 --> 01:51:48.936 why why they weren't originally 01:51:48.960 --> 01:51:51.960 proposed to be to be funded. 01:51:53.040 --> 01:51:56.040 Um Mr Mayor Oh, 01:51:56.080 --> 01:51:57.976 is it you just put your hand up because 01:51:58.000 --> 01:52:00.536 I've got a number of questions here. Is 01:52:00.560 --> 01:52:02.376 there anyone? Yep. Councelor Bishop. 01:52:02.400 --> 01:52:04.456 thank you. Yes, I'm on the committee. Um 01:52:04.480 --> 01:52:07.480 Mr. Mayor, as is councelor Swinsburg and 01:52:07.840 --> 01:52:09.896 councelor Buckley, you're present and 01:52:09.920 --> 01:52:12.536 also um councelor Adam who's absent this 01:52:12.560 --> 01:52:15.560 evening. Um we struggle over this every 01:52:16.480 --> 01:52:19.480 year on the committee and um I think 01:52:20.320 --> 01:52:22.456 that you'll find that this discussion 01:52:22.480 --> 01:52:25.480 comes up with regards to the inind that 01:52:26.080 --> 01:52:29.080 council supplies for Anzac Day services 01:52:29.440 --> 01:52:32.056 around our whole city. Our city if I'm 01:52:32.080 --> 01:52:34.776 correct and I'm looking at um Miss 01:52:34.800 --> 01:52:37.175 Hemsley, we actually have the largest 01:52:37.199 --> 01:52:40.199 number of Anzac Day services um in our 01:52:40.800 --> 01:52:43.800 city. Is that correct, Miss through Mr. 01:52:44.080 --> 01:52:47.080 Mayor? Um, Miss Hemsley, do we have the 01:52:47.280 --> 01:52:50.280 largest number of Anzac Day services? 01:52:51.040 --> 01:52:53.896 can you provide context? 01:52:53.920 --> 01:52:56.056 Um, through you, Mr Mayor Um, every 01:52:56.080 --> 01:52:58.856 year we do a um survey through the local 01:52:58.880 --> 01:53:01.175 government events network um with 01:53:01.199 --> 01:53:03.496 regards to other council's funding and 01:53:03.520 --> 01:53:06.520 support for Anzac Day. And through that 01:53:06.560 --> 01:53:08.135 survey, which we've done three times now 01:53:08.159 --> 01:53:09.896 over the last 5 years, we have the most 01:53:09.920 --> 01:53:12.920 Anzac Day marches and services across 01:53:13.679 --> 01:53:16.615 our city in New South Wales. Yeah. So, 01:53:16.639 --> 01:53:19.639 we have a lot of services to um provide 01:53:20.560 --> 01:53:23.560 funding for and inind funding. Um and 01:53:24.239 --> 01:53:27.239 it's really important that we um do that 01:53:27.679 --> 01:53:30.679 across our whole city. And um each year, 01:53:31.599 --> 01:53:34.296 as I said, we struggle with the amount. 01:53:34.320 --> 01:53:37.320 And given this is the first round for um 01:53:38.000 --> 01:53:40.776 funding events and we still need to have 01:53:40.800 --> 01:53:43.800 funding available for the second round 01:53:44.159 --> 01:53:46.536 um that that is where the decision comes 01:53:46.560 --> 01:53:49.560 in and the amounts and sometimes it's to 01:53:49.679 --> 01:53:52.215 do with whether um there is support from 01:53:52.239 --> 01:53:55.239 other areas for those events and that's 01:53:56.159 --> 01:53:57.736 in general that's not just not for the 01:53:57.760 --> 01:53:59.816 Anzac Day services. I hope that clears 01:53:59.840 --> 01:54:01.496 something up for you Mr Mayor Yep. 01:54:01.520 --> 01:54:03.976 thank you. Is there anyone else from the 01:54:04.000 --> 01:54:05.496 committee that wants to contribute as 01:54:05.520 --> 01:54:07.416 well? Councelor Buckley. Yeah, I'd just 01:54:07.440 --> 01:54:10.440 like to comment. Um, as councelor Bishop 01:54:11.920 --> 01:54:13.736 said, it is difficult. It's been 01:54:13.760 --> 01:54:16.760 difficult. I've been on this committee 01:54:16.800 --> 01:54:19.496 for the last two or three terms, I 01:54:19.520 --> 01:54:22.520 think. Um, and it it it I think 01:54:23.040 --> 01:54:25.816 originally um 01:54:25.840 --> 01:54:27.976 a lot of the RSLs were getting funding 01:54:28.000 --> 01:54:29.976 through the Oh, yeah. through or a lot 01:54:30.000 --> 01:54:32.856 of the ANZAC day. services were getting 01:54:32.880 --> 01:54:35.336 funding through RSL and I think there 01:54:35.360 --> 01:54:38.360 was an issue a number of years ago and 01:54:38.960 --> 01:54:41.960 they no longer gets that funding. Um 01:54:44.000 --> 01:54:46.215 what we've tried to do is be fair and 01:54:46.239 --> 01:54:49.239 equitable. Um and I think we've in in 01:54:49.760 --> 01:54:52.760 most instances as far as the ANZAC 01:54:53.440 --> 01:54:56.440 parades go, we've tried to um 01:54:58.480 --> 01:55:01.256 make sure that there's an equal amount. 01:55:01.280 --> 01:55:03.816 I think with the one of them in 01:55:03.840 --> 01:55:06.536 particular, they are sponsored by the 01:55:06.560 --> 01:55:08.536 club 01:55:08.560 --> 01:55:11.560 with um Swansy I think. Um, and I and 01:55:13.520 --> 01:55:16.296 and so that was why 01:55:16.320 --> 01:55:19.095 we decided that 01:55:19.119 --> 01:55:21.416 to be fair, we needed to we needed to 01:55:21.440 --> 01:55:24.440 have enough money for a lot of other um 01:55:25.119 --> 01:55:28.119 organizations and small um small marches 01:55:29.599 --> 01:55:32.376 and commemorative commemorative um 01:55:32.400 --> 01:55:34.135 ceremonies 01:55:34.159 --> 01:55:37.159 and we in the past I think yeah they've 01:55:37.599 --> 01:55:40.599 been able to fund it themselves so we 01:55:40.880 --> 01:55:43.816 did offer any funding at that stage. Um, 01:55:43.840 --> 01:55:46.840 look, it it it's it's difficult. It's 01:55:48.080 --> 01:55:50.856 not an easy situation. We've only got so 01:55:50.880 --> 01:55:53.880 much money that we can spend. Um, we 01:55:54.719 --> 01:55:57.416 have the Remembrance Day ceremonies in 01:55:57.440 --> 01:55:59.496 the last half of the year and they're 01:55:59.520 --> 01:56:02.520 ones that we um provide some funding for 01:56:02.560 --> 01:56:04.536 some of them as well. 01:56:04.560 --> 01:56:07.016 Unfortunately, we can't provide funding 01:56:07.040 --> 01:56:09.336 for everything and we can't provide all 01:56:09.360 --> 01:56:11.736 the funding that that organizations 01:56:11.760 --> 01:56:14.760 want. So, it is difficult. It takes us a 01:56:15.280 --> 01:56:18.280 fair bit of time to go through it to 01:56:18.320 --> 01:56:20.215 discuss it to have a look at their 01:56:20.239 --> 01:56:23.239 budgets. It's not it it it's not just we 01:56:23.520 --> 01:56:24.936 actually have a look at their budget. We 01:56:24.960 --> 01:56:27.960 see how much money they're spending on 01:56:28.239 --> 01:56:31.239 different things. We try to be fair in 01:56:31.920 --> 01:56:33.496 that. we make sure that they're not 01:56:33.520 --> 01:56:35.496 making a profit out of it and that's 01:56:35.520 --> 01:56:38.520 important as well. Um so as I say it's 01:56:39.760 --> 01:56:42.760 it it's quite involved. Um I'm I'm happy 01:56:43.679 --> 01:56:46.679 to stand by our decision. Um you know if 01:56:48.800 --> 01:56:50.695 we start chopping and ch if we start 01:56:50.719 --> 01:56:53.095 changing now 01:56:53.119 --> 01:56:55.175 it's just going to get more difficult. 01:56:55.199 --> 01:56:58.199 Um and I think that having a um a set 01:56:58.800 --> 01:57:01.800 amount for particularly similar um 01:57:03.520 --> 01:57:06.520 ceremonies plus we provide 01:57:07.520 --> 01:57:10.520 um yeah supporting kind um with garbage 01:57:11.040 --> 01:57:14.040 trucks to stop the road to to um yeah 01:57:15.920 --> 01:57:18.920 stop the traffic things like that. um we 01:57:19.840 --> 01:57:22.695 actually do end up providing a lot more 01:57:22.719 --> 01:57:25.719 than what the what the grant is when we 01:57:27.040 --> 01:57:28.936 when we look at what we provide in kind. 01:57:28.960 --> 01:57:31.416 So thank you councelor Buckley. the 01:57:31.440 --> 01:57:32.536 other members of the committee, 01:57:32.560 --> 01:57:33.896 councelor Swinsburg, you're on that 01:57:33.920 --> 01:57:35.336 committee. Did you want to provide some 01:57:35.360 --> 01:57:37.655 context as well? thanks Mr. Mayor and 01:57:37.679 --> 01:57:40.296 also as a veteran who very much enjoys 01:57:40.320 --> 01:57:43.320 the Anzac Day ceremonies. Just a point 01:57:43.440 --> 01:57:46.440 of clarification, the RSL sub branches 01:57:47.280 --> 01:57:49.736 in the main do not have any 01:57:49.760 --> 01:57:52.760 affiliation with RSL clubs. The 01:57:53.280 --> 01:57:56.215 exception to that here, however, is the 01:57:56.239 --> 01:57:59.175 Toronto subbranch, which is also part of 01:57:59.199 --> 01:58:01.095 the RSL subbranch. So, they are 01:58:01.119 --> 01:58:02.856 connected, which is part of the reason 01:58:02.880 --> 01:58:04.056 there was discussion during the 01:58:04.080 --> 01:58:05.336 committee that they would able to be 01:58:05.360 --> 01:58:07.896 self-funded. Um, having said that, they 01:58:07.920 --> 01:58:10.376 do provide a significant um benefit back 01:58:10.400 --> 01:58:13.016 into the community. I would also add 01:58:13.040 --> 01:58:14.615 though, I mean, if this is being done 01:58:14.639 --> 01:58:17.256 every year, Anzac Day occurs every year 01:58:17.280 --> 01:58:19.016 as does remembrance day. These 01:58:19.040 --> 01:58:21.976 organizations request funds every year. 01:58:22.000 --> 01:58:24.056 So, it sort of beuses me why it can't be 01:58:24.080 --> 01:58:25.896 a set amount every year. It's exactly 01:58:25.920 --> 01:58:27.655 the same and really cuts down on the 01:58:27.679 --> 01:58:29.736 administration. 01:58:29.760 --> 01:58:31.575 thanks, Mr Mayor thank you, Councelor 01:58:31.599 --> 01:58:33.256 Swinsburg. councelor Radcliffe, 01:58:33.280 --> 01:58:34.776 you're also on the committee. Are you 01:58:34.800 --> 01:58:37.095 not? Did you want to contribute or you 01:58:37.119 --> 01:58:39.336 good? thanks, Mr Mayor Um, well, I'm 01:58:39.360 --> 01:58:42.360 not opposed to to um looking at this. 01:58:42.800 --> 01:58:44.615 Um, I think that this is one of the 01:58:44.639 --> 01:58:47.639 things in the events committee that does 01:58:48.080 --> 01:58:51.080 have the most debate um due to the the 01:58:51.840 --> 01:58:54.840 nature of of the event and um and the 01:58:55.119 --> 01:58:58.119 importance of of Anzac Day. Um but you 01:58:58.480 --> 01:59:00.695 know, as has been noted, um the inind 01:59:00.719 --> 01:59:03.719 funding is is taken into account. Um and 01:59:03.920 --> 01:59:06.695 as councelor Swinsburg said, you know, 01:59:06.719 --> 01:59:09.719 we've tried to be equitable um and and 01:59:10.880 --> 01:59:13.336 provide the same amount of funding um 01:59:13.360 --> 01:59:16.360 for each service. thank you, Councelor 01:59:16.480 --> 01:59:19.480 Radcliffe. Councelor Schultz. 01:59:20.000 --> 01:59:22.215 thank you, Mr Mayor you stole my 01:59:22.239 --> 01:59:24.536 thunder with the questions around the 01:59:24.560 --> 01:59:27.256 Anzac Day. Um, but I would like to 01:59:27.280 --> 01:59:30.280 follow up on that and ask when the 01:59:30.719 --> 01:59:33.175 committee, and I guess this is addressed 01:59:33.199 --> 01:59:35.575 to committee members, when they decide 01:59:35.599 --> 01:59:37.976 that they're not going to proceed 01:59:38.000 --> 01:59:41.000 with full funding, what is used then to 01:59:42.239 --> 01:59:44.456 determine how much funding because it 01:59:44.480 --> 01:59:46.135 looks across all of the grants, even 01:59:46.159 --> 01:59:49.159 beyond ANZAC, um, that sometimes it's 01:59:49.840 --> 01:59:52.456 not fully funded. So what decision-m 01:59:52.480 --> 01:59:55.336 process is used to determine how much 01:59:55.360 --> 01:59:58.360 will be given to each applicant? 01:59:58.719 --> 02:00:00.215 Is there a committee member that wants 02:00:00.239 --> 02:00:03.095 to answer that in the first instance? 02:00:03.119 --> 02:00:06.119 I'm happy to to give some context to 02:00:06.159 --> 02:00:09.159 that and that is that um for all of 02:00:10.000 --> 02:00:13.000 these um applications organizations have 02:00:13.520 --> 02:00:16.520 to submit a budget an itemized budget of 02:00:16.639 --> 02:00:19.175 where the money is going to be spent. 02:00:19.199 --> 02:00:22.199 And we have very strict um guide well 02:00:23.920 --> 02:00:25.976 we we've made strict guidelines on where 02:00:26.000 --> 02:00:28.056 the money what we are prepared to fund 02:00:28.080 --> 02:00:31.080 and what we're not prepared to fund. Um 02:00:31.599 --> 02:00:34.599 also in some cases the applications um 02:00:36.159 --> 02:00:39.159 include things like accommodation 02:00:39.280 --> 02:00:42.280 um a dinner for people um and 02:00:44.719 --> 02:00:47.175 as a as a group we don't see that that 02:00:47.199 --> 02:00:49.736 is something that um the council should 02:00:49.760 --> 02:00:52.760 be funding. also some of the 02:00:53.280 --> 02:00:56.280 organizations are making a profit. Um, 02:00:56.560 --> 02:00:59.560 so it's and and yes, it's a donation to 02:01:00.000 --> 02:01:02.376 sometimes it's a donation to an an 02:01:02.400 --> 02:01:04.456 organization, but we see it as just 02:01:04.480 --> 02:01:07.416 council giving a donation. Um, and 02:01:07.440 --> 02:01:10.440 that's really not the idea of the grants 02:01:10.960 --> 02:01:13.960 funding. So, it is difficult. Um, and I 02:01:14.480 --> 02:01:15.976 understand that a lot of these 02:01:16.000 --> 02:01:18.056 organizations are doing a great job in 02:01:18.080 --> 02:01:20.856 the community. We don't we don't um 02:01:20.880 --> 02:01:23.256 disregard that at all, but we only have 02:01:23.280 --> 02:01:25.416 a certain amount of funds and we need to 02:01:25.440 --> 02:01:28.440 try and um spread those about as best we 02:01:28.800 --> 02:01:31.800 can and as equitably as we can um within 02:01:32.960 --> 02:01:35.655 within the um guidelines that we have. 02:01:35.679 --> 02:01:38.679 thank you, Councelor Buckley. 02:01:39.119 --> 02:01:41.016 did you want to keep going? Yes. Yeah. 02:01:41.040 --> 02:01:42.936 Okay. Councelor Schultz, I've got some 02:01:42.960 --> 02:01:45.256 more questions, Mr Mayor Um thank you, 02:01:45.280 --> 02:01:47.655 Councelor Buckley. Um, another question 02:01:47.679 --> 02:01:50.679 is with regards to the Fernley 15. Um, 02:01:53.280 --> 02:01:56.280 it's run over 15 km. So, what number 02:01:56.800 --> 02:01:58.936 is that? Just for 02:01:58.960 --> 02:02:01.496 Jeez, I'm on 554. 02:02:01.520 --> 02:02:04.456 One of the numbers. 02:02:04.480 --> 02:02:07.416 thank you. thank you. Which is in the 02:02:07.440 --> 02:02:10.440 part A of this. Um, 02:02:11.040 --> 02:02:14.040 will the Fern Lee be re or has in the 02:02:14.800 --> 02:02:17.175 budget did they account for any funding 02:02:17.199 --> 02:02:20.199 from Newcastle or are we solely funding 02:02:20.800 --> 02:02:23.496 that particular 02:02:23.520 --> 02:02:26.135 event? I did the Fernley 15, not the 02:02:26.159 --> 02:02:28.215 whole 15, but a little bit of the 15 02:02:28.239 --> 02:02:30.776 number of years ago. 02:02:30.800 --> 02:02:33.095 Just Yeah. topical. 02:02:33.119 --> 02:02:35.496 councelor Buckley, did you want to? 02:02:35.520 --> 02:02:38.296 Yes. We'll go to staff. I I'll just 02:02:38.320 --> 02:02:41.320 quickly say that um the we we we have 02:02:41.840 --> 02:02:44.840 had requests from for for funding for 02:02:46.639 --> 02:02:48.296 um activities and events that are 02:02:48.320 --> 02:02:51.320 happening in not in our LGA. Yeah. In 02:02:51.599 --> 02:02:54.456 our LGA. Um some of them that are 02:02:54.480 --> 02:02:57.416 shared, they're between our LGA and go 02:02:57.440 --> 02:03:00.440 into a neighboring LGA. 02:03:00.800 --> 02:03:03.800 um we often there's no application 02:03:04.000 --> 02:03:05.816 there's no indication there that they've 02:03:05.840 --> 02:03:08.615 applied for funding from the other LGA. 02:03:08.639 --> 02:03:11.639 So often staff will have a chat to them, 02:03:11.760 --> 02:03:14.760 give them a call um of they'll always 02:03:14.800 --> 02:03:17.800 explain why we've only um provided a 02:03:19.520 --> 02:03:22.135 certain amount of money. if there's 02:03:22.159 --> 02:03:24.856 any questions that we have, they'll 02:03:24.880 --> 02:03:26.936 they'll go back to that organization and 02:03:26.960 --> 02:03:29.095 ask more questions so we can get a 02:03:29.119 --> 02:03:31.175 better understanding of how the money is 02:03:31.199 --> 02:03:34.199 going to be spent. Um so there's a there 02:03:34.400 --> 02:03:37.400 it it's not an easy okay, we're just 02:03:37.599 --> 02:03:39.336 going to donate so much. There's a lot 02:03:39.360 --> 02:03:42.360 that's involved in it. Um, and I think 02:03:43.679 --> 02:03:45.575 councelor Adam Thuait's been on the 02:03:45.599 --> 02:03:48.599 committee I think since last term and I 02:03:48.960 --> 02:03:51.016 think he was quite surprised at the um 02:03:51.040 --> 02:03:54.040 and has commented on the 02:03:54.560 --> 02:03:57.560 not the difficulty but the intricate um 02:03:58.239 --> 02:04:00.936 way we have to look at this funding 02:04:00.960 --> 02:04:03.016 these funding applications and the 02:04:03.040 --> 02:04:04.695 decisions that we have to make. They're 02:04:04.719 --> 02:04:07.336 not easy. Um, of course we'd like to 02:04:07.360 --> 02:04:09.175 fund everything to the extent that we 02:04:09.199 --> 02:04:11.016 could, but when we've only got a certain 02:04:11.040 --> 02:04:13.816 amount of funding, we have to be um 02:04:13.840 --> 02:04:16.840 mindful of how we allocate the funding, 02:04:17.199 --> 02:04:20.135 trying to be fair and equitable um to 02:04:20.159 --> 02:04:22.856 everybody. Mr. Mayor, can I call a point 02:04:22.880 --> 02:04:24.615 of order? It's council Warner. Just in 02:04:24.639 --> 02:04:27.575 relation to um 6.25 that 24 that we 02:04:27.599 --> 02:04:29.736 actually put the amendment. We've had a 02:04:29.760 --> 02:04:32.456 number of discussions to date. Um we 02:04:32.480 --> 02:04:34.856 have had we had 242 again. 02:04:34.880 --> 02:04:37.880 I haven't five minutes yet. I haven't. 02:04:38.960 --> 02:04:41.960 So I I order Mr. 02:04:44.159 --> 02:04:46.376 No, but you can't put something while 02:04:46.400 --> 02:04:49.095 I've still got five minutes. 02:04:49.119 --> 02:04:52.119 You're going. Okay. Yeah. So most of 02:04:53.360 --> 02:04:55.655 them being questions and then other 02:04:55.679 --> 02:04:57.336 members of the committee potentially 02:04:57.360 --> 02:05:00.360 providing context. So I I hear you. I 02:05:02.080 --> 02:05:03.655 you know I note that this is going on 02:05:03.679 --> 02:05:06.536 for quite some time. We do have another 02:05:06.560 --> 02:05:09.560 1 2 3 4 five maybe six counselors lined 02:05:10.880 --> 02:05:13.256 up to speak after councelor Schultz. So 02:05:13.280 --> 02:05:15.736 yeah, if we can just try and make our 02:05:15.760 --> 02:05:17.896 answers and questions succinct we 02:05:17.920 --> 02:05:19.976 might get through this sometime this 02:05:20.000 --> 02:05:22.456 evening. councelor Schultz. Yes, 02:05:22.480 --> 02:05:25.480 thank you. So um I had one more question 02:05:26.320 --> 02:05:29.256 um and that was with regards to the 02:05:29.280 --> 02:05:31.256 funding allegibility that's provided in 02:05:31.280 --> 02:05:34.280 the report says um actions in the 2019 02:05:36.480 --> 02:05:37.976 2024 02:05:38.000 --> 02:05:41.000 action plan. Um I just it's not to say 02:05:41.440 --> 02:05:43.016 obviously when this went out that was 02:05:43.040 --> 02:05:46.040 the current action plan but what is the 02:05:46.159 --> 02:05:49.159 12 month horizon that this funding 02:05:49.599 --> 02:05:52.456 relates to? I might go to staff to 02:05:52.480 --> 02:05:55.095 answer that question. 02:05:55.119 --> 02:05:58.119 U Miss Miss Hemsley, thank you. 02:05:58.639 --> 02:06:00.536 through you, Mr Mayor Um the new 02:06:00.560 --> 02:06:03.256 events and festivals action plan um will 02:06:03.280 --> 02:06:06.280 be um the guiding framework for the next 02:06:07.280 --> 02:06:09.416 round two of the events and festivals 02:06:09.440 --> 02:06:11.336 funding. 02:06:11.360 --> 02:06:13.736 So supplementary to that, when does if 02:06:13.760 --> 02:06:15.976 if these are awarded, when do these 02:06:16.000 --> 02:06:18.936 events need to be completed by Miss 02:06:18.960 --> 02:06:20.695 Hemsley? 02:06:20.719 --> 02:06:23.175 um through you, Mr Mayor If you're 02:06:23.199 --> 02:06:26.135 if regarding to round one, this round um 02:06:26.159 --> 02:06:29.159 we have it until the end of financial 02:06:29.840 --> 02:06:32.776 year 2026 and then round two usually 02:06:32.800 --> 02:06:34.856 goes about between 12 months and 18 02:06:34.880 --> 02:06:36.936 months. 02:06:36.960 --> 02:06:39.256 thank you. Very briefly, Mr. Mayor, I'm 02:06:39.280 --> 02:06:41.655 actually in support of this amendment 02:06:41.679 --> 02:06:44.536 and in particular part C of this 02:06:44.560 --> 02:06:47.496 amendment with regards to supporting all 02:06:47.520 --> 02:06:50.520 ANZAC A services across our city 02:06:51.599 --> 02:06:54.135 at the full extent. there is a 02:06:54.159 --> 02:06:56.055 multitude of ways that we acknowledge 02:06:56.079 --> 02:06:58.456 and stop to reflect on the important 02:06:58.480 --> 02:07:00.776 contributions that veterans have made 02:07:00.800 --> 02:07:02.936 whether it be on Anzac Day or whether it 02:07:02.960 --> 02:07:05.960 be on Remembrance Day or on other days 02:07:06.639 --> 02:07:09.095 that are set aside for memorials like 02:07:09.119 --> 02:07:12.119 the Vietnam Veterans Day. So it's 02:07:12.239 --> 02:07:13.896 important that we are providing support 02:07:13.920 --> 02:07:16.695 to events like this and so I am in 02:07:16.719 --> 02:07:18.776 support of Council Polling's 02:07:18.800 --> 02:07:21.496 amendment. thank you Councelor Schultz. 02:07:21.520 --> 02:07:24.520 councelor Bishop. 02:07:24.719 --> 02:07:26.536 thank you, Mr Mayor I just would like 02:07:26.560 --> 02:07:28.776 to reiterate as a member of the 02:07:28.800 --> 02:07:31.800 committee. Um, the the the process that 02:07:33.760 --> 02:07:36.760 um, councelor Buckley expressed is that 02:07:37.119 --> 02:07:39.256 we look seriously at the budgets. We 02:07:39.280 --> 02:07:41.416 look at the acquitts as well from the 02:07:41.440 --> 02:07:43.976 previous donations that have been done. 02:07:44.000 --> 02:07:45.575 We look at the variety of different 02:07:45.599 --> 02:07:48.376 events. We look at and we go and seek 02:07:48.400 --> 02:07:51.400 well through um the staff we seek 02:07:51.520 --> 02:07:53.416 further clarification 02:07:53.440 --> 02:07:55.655 if we um would like to find out if 02:07:55.679 --> 02:07:57.575 the event can actually take place itself 02:07:57.599 --> 02:08:00.599 without the um donation from council or 02:08:01.199 --> 02:08:04.199 if it's vital to the event taking place 02:08:04.400 --> 02:08:07.400 and also the amount that's um been 02:08:08.159 --> 02:08:11.159 asked for and discussed um with regards 02:08:11.199 --> 02:08:14.199 to the allocation. Um and further to 02:08:15.840 --> 02:08:17.896 what councelor Swinsburg was saying and 02:08:17.920 --> 02:08:20.920 is correct in that with regards to Anzac 02:08:20.960 --> 02:08:23.336 Day, we did have that discussion in the 02:08:23.360 --> 02:08:25.976 committee with regards to actually 02:08:26.000 --> 02:08:29.000 having that not in our event funding. So 02:08:29.040 --> 02:08:30.936 that is a separate funding so that we 02:08:30.960 --> 02:08:33.016 can deal with it in a different way 02:08:33.040 --> 02:08:36.040 because Anzac Day is Anzac Day. I just 02:08:36.320 --> 02:08:38.695 wanted to clarify were you speaking 02:08:38.719 --> 02:08:41.336 against the amendment at that point 02:08:41.360 --> 02:08:43.575 because then we would have two four two 02:08:43.599 --> 02:08:46.599 against and someone may want to put the 02:08:47.280 --> 02:08:49.736 motion or the amendment. Mr. Mayor, I'm 02:08:49.760 --> 02:08:52.376 just just trying to add clarification as 02:08:52.400 --> 02:08:55.175 to what we did on the committee. That's 02:08:55.199 --> 02:08:57.496 all. Okay. So, not you're just providing 02:08:57.520 --> 02:09:00.520 context. No, sorry, Mr. Bar. Apologize. 02:09:00.960 --> 02:09:02.215 That's all right. We'll go to councelor 02:09:02.239 --> 02:09:05.016 Buckley is next on the on the list 02:09:05.040 --> 02:09:06.536 unless you've spoken and you're happy to 02:09:06.560 --> 02:09:09.416 wave. No, no, I'd like to um vote 02:09:09.440 --> 02:09:11.336 against the emotion. So, you're speaking 02:09:11.360 --> 02:09:13.175 against I'm speaking against the motion 02:09:13.199 --> 02:09:16.199 for the reasons that I I voiced earlier. 02:09:17.119 --> 02:09:20.119 Um and that is that we've tried we try 02:09:20.719 --> 02:09:23.719 to be equitable. Um 02:09:24.480 --> 02:09:26.536 we've as a committee we've made a 02:09:26.560 --> 02:09:29.560 decision. Y um and and it's not a 02:09:30.000 --> 02:09:31.736 decision that we've taken lightly. It's 02:09:31.760 --> 02:09:34.055 one that we've debated and we've we've 02:09:34.079 --> 02:09:36.856 discussed. Um and we've gone to a lot of 02:09:36.880 --> 02:09:39.416 we've gone into a lot of detail in in 02:09:39.440 --> 02:09:41.575 looking at the budgets, looking at the 02:09:41.599 --> 02:09:43.976 quiddles, looking at a whole range of 02:09:44.000 --> 02:09:47.000 things. And the reasons that the reasons 02:09:48.000 --> 02:09:50.376 that these organizations have been 02:09:50.400 --> 02:09:52.936 allocated the amount of money they have 02:09:52.960 --> 02:09:55.960 isn't hasn't been a whim of the um of 02:09:56.320 --> 02:09:58.776 the committee. It's something that we've 02:09:58.800 --> 02:10:01.800 looked at and we've we deem to be fair. 02:10:02.719 --> 02:10:05.719 Um, and I've got concerns about if we 02:10:06.079 --> 02:10:08.615 got if we have a committee that goes 02:10:08.639 --> 02:10:11.639 through and and looks at these um, 02:10:12.560 --> 02:10:15.336 applications thoroughly. 02:10:15.360 --> 02:10:17.976 I don't I I disagree with them coming to 02:10:18.000 --> 02:10:20.776 council and then and then it just being 02:10:20.800 --> 02:10:23.095 brushed aside as if we haven't we 02:10:23.119 --> 02:10:26.119 haven't made a um an informed decision. 02:10:26.159 --> 02:10:28.536 So, we have made it, as far as I'm 02:10:28.560 --> 02:10:29.896 concerned, we've made an informed 02:10:29.920 --> 02:10:32.920 decision. It it took us a while. Um we 02:10:34.239 --> 02:10:36.215 debated it. 02:10:36.239 --> 02:10:39.239 and I don't I I feel very strongly 02:10:39.840 --> 02:10:41.575 that it should remain the way it is. 02:10:41.599 --> 02:10:43.655 thank you. thank you, councelor. 02:10:43.679 --> 02:10:45.575 councelor Warner. 02:10:45.599 --> 02:10:48.599 yes. Um Mr. Mayor, just seeking if we 02:10:48.800 --> 02:10:51.800 now speaking against I am against the um 02:10:52.320 --> 02:10:55.320 amendment. thank you. Um I just I think 02:10:56.639 --> 02:10:59.256 wanted to note that um whilst of course 02:10:59.280 --> 02:11:01.175 I think we have the ability to ask 02:11:01.199 --> 02:11:03.095 further questions of our committees, I'm 02:11:03.119 --> 02:11:05.256 a bit concerned that by going to this 02:11:05.280 --> 02:11:07.336 little level of detail that we undermine 02:11:07.360 --> 02:11:08.936 the process of the committee and the 02:11:08.960 --> 02:11:11.336 time that they've taken to consider all 02:11:11.360 --> 02:11:13.736 of the information um and all of the 02:11:13.760 --> 02:11:16.760 relevant considerations. Um perhaps just 02:11:16.880 --> 02:11:18.856 as a brief comment or maybe a question 02:11:18.880 --> 02:11:21.256 to staff as to whether or not we could 02:11:21.280 --> 02:11:23.896 be provided with um a little bit more 02:11:23.920 --> 02:11:25.655 detail as to the decisions that were 02:11:25.679 --> 02:11:28.376 made to avoid this potentially coming 02:11:28.400 --> 02:11:31.095 back again before us. Um but for that 02:11:31.119 --> 02:11:33.816 reason, I um want to trust the process 02:11:33.840 --> 02:11:35.655 that has been given to the committee 02:11:35.679 --> 02:11:38.679 members and um I won't be um seeking for 02:11:39.599 --> 02:11:41.256 an amendment or approving that 02:11:41.280 --> 02:11:43.175 amendment. thanks. thank you. And were 02:11:43.199 --> 02:11:45.175 you also looking to put the motion I'm 02:11:45.199 --> 02:11:47.736 happy also um and apologies I didn't 02:11:47.760 --> 02:11:49.816 mean to cut anyone off earlier um but 02:11:49.840 --> 02:11:52.840 yes to put the amendment um under 6.24 02:11:54.719 --> 02:11:57.719 B of the code of meeting practice. thank 02:11:58.000 --> 02:12:01.000 you. we do have we have had 242 02:12:01.760 --> 02:12:04.760 against. So councelor Warner can move 02:12:05.280 --> 02:12:08.280 that the motion be put. Um we'll do a 02:12:09.679 --> 02:12:12.679 procedural a show of hands on on that. 02:12:12.719 --> 02:12:15.719 Um, second. Yeah, we'll do a show of 02:12:16.320 --> 02:12:18.536 hands. so all those in favor that 02:12:18.560 --> 02:12:21.095 the motion be put, please raise your 02:12:21.119 --> 02:12:24.119 hand. Deputy Mayor Antcliff, 02:12:24.560 --> 02:12:26.215 Councelor Grig, Councelor Conroy, 02:12:26.239 --> 02:12:28.135 Councelor Bishop, Councelor Warner, 02:12:28.159 --> 02:12:30.135 Councelor Buckley, Councelor 02:12:30.159 --> 02:12:31.976 Swinsburg, Councelor Schultz, Council 02:12:32.000 --> 02:12:34.376 Radcliffe, Mayor Adam Schultz, those 02:12:34.400 --> 02:12:37.256 against, Councelor Pauling. thank you. 02:12:37.280 --> 02:12:40.280 therefore, we will look to Yeah. put 02:12:41.840 --> 02:12:44.840 the amendment which was moved by 02:12:45.599 --> 02:12:48.599 councelor Pauling so debate has been 02:12:48.639 --> 02:12:51.639 closed seconded by councelor Swinsburg 02:12:52.079 --> 02:12:54.776 and we will do this amendment by a show 02:12:54.800 --> 02:12:57.496 of hand so effectively councilors it's 02:12:57.520 --> 02:13:00.135 what's up there on the screen which 02:13:00.159 --> 02:13:02.215 was a I'm not going to read out all the 02:13:02.239 --> 02:13:05.239 numbers again b and the addition of c 02:13:06.400 --> 02:13:08.615 for this amendment being funds 02:13:08.639 --> 02:13:11.639 applications number three and 8 for 000. 02:13:12.400 --> 02:13:14.695 so that's moved by councelor Pauling, 02:13:14.719 --> 02:13:17.655 seconded by councelor Swinsburg. So the 02:13:17.679 --> 02:13:19.416 amendment, all those in favor of the 02:13:19.440 --> 02:13:22.440 amendment, please raise your hand. 02:13:22.800 --> 02:13:25.800 those in favor, councelor Grigg, 02:13:26.159 --> 02:13:28.615 councelor Pauling and councelor Schultz. 02:13:28.639 --> 02:13:31.639 Those against the amendment, Deputy 02:13:31.760 --> 02:13:34.296 Mayor Antcliff, Councelor Conroy, 02:13:34.320 --> 02:13:36.695 Councelor Bishop, Councelor Warner, 02:13:36.719 --> 02:13:39.416 Councelor Swinsburg, Councelor Buckley, 02:13:39.440 --> 02:13:42.440 Councelor Radcliffe, Mayor Adam Schultz. 02:13:42.880 --> 02:13:45.880 I therefore declare the amendment lost. 02:13:46.719 --> 02:13:49.719 We will go back to the original 02:13:49.840 --> 02:13:52.840 motion, which was just parts A and B. 02:13:55.040 --> 02:13:57.016 Um, 02:13:57.040 --> 02:13:59.095 is there anyone looking for the call? 02:13:59.119 --> 02:14:01.496 Cuz I believe these cues, as I 02:14:01.520 --> 02:14:04.520 understand, all relate to the amendment. 02:14:06.719 --> 02:14:09.175 You're looking for the call on. Can 02:14:09.199 --> 02:14:11.896 maybe let's start a new new one. If you 02:14:11.920 --> 02:14:14.376 can just tick those off and we'll go 02:14:14.400 --> 02:14:17.400 again. So, if you want to pop a new 02:14:17.440 --> 02:14:19.575 queue, 02:14:19.599 --> 02:14:21.896 it'll give us a sense of who's now 02:14:21.920 --> 02:14:24.920 looking to speak on the original 02:14:25.520 --> 02:14:27.416 proposal. Councelor Schultz, you're 02:14:27.440 --> 02:14:30.440 looking for the call. thank you, Mr. 02:14:30.639 --> 02:14:32.376 Mayor. Yes, I do think it's important 02:14:32.400 --> 02:14:34.856 that we've had the debate like we have. 02:14:34.880 --> 02:14:36.856 the committee is not a determination 02:14:36.880 --> 02:14:39.736 committee. the council is the space 02:14:39.760 --> 02:14:42.055 at which a decision is made. Therefore 02:14:42.079 --> 02:14:45.079 to have debate and to discuss decisions 02:14:45.920 --> 02:14:47.655 that are made by the committee is 02:14:47.679 --> 02:14:49.575 important to have in this forum. The 02:14:49.599 --> 02:14:52.376 characterization that we are not 02:14:52.400 --> 02:14:54.055 trusting the committee and the 02:14:54.079 --> 02:14:56.936 characterization that we shouldn't 02:14:56.960 --> 02:14:59.816 ask questions is a worry to me. This is 02:14:59.840 --> 02:15:02.840 what this chamber is about is um 02:15:03.119 --> 02:15:05.095 ensuring that we're making the best and 02:15:05.119 --> 02:15:07.256 right decisions. I was not in that 02:15:07.280 --> 02:15:09.655 committee, was not party to that 02:15:09.679 --> 02:15:12.135 decision-making process. And so through 02:15:12.159 --> 02:15:13.976 the process, I think it's important to 02:15:14.000 --> 02:15:17.000 have that debate. Um, 02:15:17.119 --> 02:15:19.175 therefore, I'm speaking against this 02:15:19.199 --> 02:15:22.199 motion in principle because of my 02:15:22.320 --> 02:15:25.095 support for the previous amendment. Um, 02:15:25.119 --> 02:15:27.816 and we'll be voting accordingly. So just 02:15:27.840 --> 02:15:29.896 to clarify, you'll be voting against the 02:15:29.920 --> 02:15:32.920 applications for 1 3 5 6 7 11 14 20 21 02:15:34.560 --> 02:15:37.560 23 25 26 27 28 and 29. 02:15:40.880 --> 02:15:43.256 yes, that's what Yeah. Okay, great. So I 02:15:43.280 --> 02:15:45.016 understood that. thank you, Councelor 02:15:45.040 --> 02:15:48.040 Schultz. councelor Radcliffe. 02:15:50.400 --> 02:15:52.936 Um, I just want to note the work that 02:15:52.960 --> 02:15:55.416 staff do to provide and support such a 02:15:55.440 --> 02:15:57.256 vast array of events through these 02:15:57.280 --> 02:16:00.280 grants. um and that it's um you know I 02:16:01.199 --> 02:16:03.976 find a committee that I'm um very 02:16:04.000 --> 02:16:07.000 excited to be part of and um the the 02:16:07.760 --> 02:16:10.376 criteria is there is a strict criteria 02:16:10.400 --> 02:16:13.400 and that ensures that as many um of 02:16:13.440 --> 02:16:15.976 these events as possible can be funded. 02:16:16.000 --> 02:16:19.000 Um, and I just want to also encourage 02:16:19.520 --> 02:16:22.520 um as many um people and community um 02:16:24.639 --> 02:16:25.896 people who have got community events 02:16:25.920 --> 02:16:28.376 coming up to apply for these grants in 02:16:28.400 --> 02:16:31.400 round two cuz it's great to see um such 02:16:31.920 --> 02:16:34.920 a such a variety of um um events and I 02:16:35.760 --> 02:16:37.016 don't want to call out any in particular 02:16:37.040 --> 02:16:39.816 because of our numbers but um yeah it's 02:16:39.840 --> 02:16:42.056 great to see so many different events. 02:16:42.080 --> 02:16:44.216 thank you councelor Radcliffe and you're 02:16:44.240 --> 02:16:46.535 spoken for. We've had one against, one 02:16:46.559 --> 02:16:48.856 for, so everyone's keeping tally. 02:16:48.880 --> 02:16:51.736 over to you, Councelor Grigg. 02:16:51.760 --> 02:16:54.455 just a comment, Mr. Mayor, if I may. 02:16:54.479 --> 02:16:57.479 Um, I just want to echo the remarks of 02:16:57.519 --> 02:17:00.519 councelor Matt Schultz, that, all 02:17:01.120 --> 02:17:04.120 committees are advisory committees and 02:17:04.240 --> 02:17:06.136 councelor always remains the final 02:17:06.160 --> 02:17:08.216 authority on any decision. just in case 02:17:08.240 --> 02:17:09.575 anyone's getting carried away and 02:17:09.599 --> 02:17:11.575 thinking they have that kind of 02:17:11.599 --> 02:17:14.216 authority. Um, I would have backed if I 02:17:14.240 --> 02:17:15.896 had a chance, I was next on the list and 02:17:15.920 --> 02:17:18.776 got cut off. But, you're on to say 02:17:18.800 --> 02:17:21.800 that I'm disappointed that we did not, 02:17:22.639 --> 02:17:25.415 back councelor Pauling's amendment 02:17:25.439 --> 02:17:27.976 for Anzac Day because these are guys who 02:17:28.000 --> 02:17:31.000 laid their life on the line. 02:17:31.040 --> 02:17:33.256 They gave everything. They they risk 02:17:33.280 --> 02:17:35.655 many we know many and probably many of 02:17:35.679 --> 02:17:37.575 us sitting here tonight have relatives 02:17:37.599 --> 02:17:40.599 who gave their lives for our freedoms 02:17:40.960 --> 02:17:43.960 and and it disappoints me that in 02:17:44.880 --> 02:17:46.695 days gone by thank god it seems to have 02:17:46.719 --> 02:17:48.535 faded but the disrespect that was 02:17:48.559 --> 02:17:50.615 carried out for soldiers so much that 02:17:50.639 --> 02:17:52.136 they were told not to wear their 02:17:52.160 --> 02:17:55.160 uniforms in public um I think it it just 02:17:55.359 --> 02:17:58.359 disgust disgusts me and um I support 02:17:59.519 --> 02:18:02.519 this But but I'm disappointed and 02:18:03.200 --> 02:18:05.016 very disappointed that we haven't 02:18:05.040 --> 02:18:06.776 carried through and increased. We have a 02:18:06.800 --> 02:18:08.776 big pot of money. I don't know what the 02:18:08.800 --> 02:18:10.936 problem is. we should support our 02:18:10.960 --> 02:18:13.655 diggers and indeed they're still out 02:18:13.679 --> 02:18:16.679 there. thank you, Councelor Grigg. 02:18:17.679 --> 02:18:20.679 Councelor Swinsburg. 02:18:21.120 --> 02:18:23.655 thanks, Mr Mayor just in um response 02:18:23.679 --> 02:18:25.655 to councelor Grigg just to ensure 02:18:25.679 --> 02:18:28.679 there's no misconception given them my 02:18:28.800 --> 02:18:31.415 way of voting um because I'm also on the 02:18:31.439 --> 02:18:33.976 committee. I was privy to all of the 02:18:34.000 --> 02:18:35.976 budgets which were put forward by the 02:18:36.000 --> 02:18:38.776 various um organizations 02:18:38.800 --> 02:18:40.136 requesting money and I'm very 02:18:40.160 --> 02:18:42.216 comfortable that the in particular the 02:18:42.240 --> 02:18:44.535 Swansea RSL club was able to fund their 02:18:44.559 --> 02:18:47.559 own events hence hence not really 02:18:47.840 --> 02:18:50.840 endorsing that money. It's absolutely 02:18:51.679 --> 02:18:54.679 um no indication of support or otherwise 02:18:54.880 --> 02:18:57.655 for Anzac Day. Absolutely not. And I 02:18:57.679 --> 02:18:59.575 think I'm one person in the chamber who 02:18:59.599 --> 02:19:01.176 can absolutely put my hand in my heart 02:19:01.200 --> 02:19:03.896 and say that. I have been the subject 02:19:03.920 --> 02:19:05.976 of people who not able to wear a uniform 02:19:06.000 --> 02:19:07.816 in public because the Australian public 02:19:07.840 --> 02:19:10.840 don't accept it. Um and and you know I 02:19:11.040 --> 02:19:13.575 would fully support more money 02:19:13.599 --> 02:19:15.176 going for Anzac days but at the end of 02:19:15.200 --> 02:19:17.976 the day there does need to be a an 02:19:18.000 --> 02:19:20.375 appropriate sort of cross leveling on on 02:19:20.399 --> 02:19:23.256 who we can fund and by how much. thanks. 02:19:23.280 --> 02:19:25.736 thank you councelor Swinsburg. Councelor 02:19:25.760 --> 02:19:28.615 Conroy. thank you Mr Mayor Um while 02:19:28.639 --> 02:19:31.639 I do support councelor Gri and councelor 02:19:33.439 --> 02:19:36.136 Matthew Schultz's comments about um the 02:19:36.160 --> 02:19:38.295 role of the committee as an an advisory 02:19:38.319 --> 02:19:41.319 body um and that that um we have to 02:19:41.359 --> 02:19:43.736 listen to their expertise and we have to 02:19:43.760 --> 02:19:45.976 think of their deliberations. Um they 02:19:46.000 --> 02:19:48.216 are right this is the decision-m body of 02:19:48.240 --> 02:19:50.696 the council and do support those um that 02:19:50.720 --> 02:19:53.720 part. I'm concerned about the idea of um 02:19:54.080 --> 02:19:56.375 not funding groups on the basis that 02:19:56.399 --> 02:19:59.256 other of that process and I think a more 02:19:59.280 --> 02:20:02.280 appropriate um given that this is an 02:20:02.399 --> 02:20:04.936 ongoing discussion we have every year is 02:20:04.960 --> 02:20:07.016 that that perhaps our event funding 02:20:07.040 --> 02:20:10.040 program guidelines may need tweaking um 02:20:10.479 --> 02:20:13.016 or we may need to come up with some 02:20:13.040 --> 02:20:15.096 funding guidelines for Anzac Day 02:20:15.120 --> 02:20:17.816 specifically. So rather than angsting 02:20:17.840 --> 02:20:20.616 over this in the chamber each year um we 02:20:20.640 --> 02:20:23.335 may need to do things differently and I 02:20:23.359 --> 02:20:26.136 think one of my issues of supporting the 02:20:26.160 --> 02:20:27.896 original amendment councelor Pauling of 02:20:27.920 --> 02:20:30.920 C is I also look at all the other 02:20:31.760 --> 02:20:33.576 Anzac Day services in the city that may 02:20:33.600 --> 02:20:34.776 have applied if they known we were going 02:20:34.800 --> 02:20:36.536 to give this exemption. So also would 02:20:36.560 --> 02:20:39.560 feel for them if those other services 02:20:39.920 --> 02:20:42.056 had thought well we didn't apply for 02:20:42.080 --> 02:20:43.176 funding because we've got knockback 02:20:43.200 --> 02:20:45.896 before through this process and I think 02:20:45.920 --> 02:20:47.496 the fairness and equity of all those 02:20:47.520 --> 02:20:50.520 services in the city um I think it it 02:20:51.280 --> 02:20:53.976 flags for me that in the future um we 02:20:54.000 --> 02:20:55.976 may need to improve our process rather 02:20:56.000 --> 02:20:58.216 than 02:20:58.240 --> 02:21:00.616 angst about it once or twice a year. 02:21:00.640 --> 02:21:02.616 thank you. thank you councelor Conroy. 02:21:02.640 --> 02:21:05.640 I'm just going to speak briefly um just 02:21:05.840 --> 02:21:08.840 in terms of the positivity. It's a lot 02:21:09.359 --> 02:21:10.856 of I'm getting sense there's a bit of 02:21:10.880 --> 02:21:13.656 negativity in the room. Um so just in 02:21:13.680 --> 02:21:16.375 terms of the total the there were 21 02:21:16.399 --> 02:21:19.399 applications for a total of $75,000 in 02:21:19.840 --> 02:21:22.840 funding which is a great great news 02:21:22.880 --> 02:21:25.415 story and you know diverse range of 02:21:25.439 --> 02:21:28.216 community events. So in terms of some of 02:21:28.240 --> 02:21:31.240 those events, you know, the let's 02:21:32.399 --> 02:21:35.399 surf Lake Mack will be one of those 02:21:36.319 --> 02:21:38.776 initiatives in the next couple of 02:21:38.800 --> 02:21:40.375 motions. You've got the youth surfing 02:21:40.399 --> 02:21:42.455 battle at Caves Beach and Hams Beach. 02:21:42.479 --> 02:21:45.016 You've got the Lake Macquarie adventure 02:21:45.040 --> 02:21:47.896 race at Cam's Warf. You've got Hearts 02:21:47.920 --> 02:21:49.976 and Hands who are are receiving some 02:21:50.000 --> 02:21:52.455 funding here. You've got Wanji New 02:21:52.479 --> 02:21:55.479 Year's Eve fireworks. Um, you've got the 02:21:55.600 --> 02:21:58.455 Lake Mack Run 2025. You've got the 02:21:58.479 --> 02:22:01.479 Italian Festival Lago DMAC, which I 02:22:02.560 --> 02:22:04.616 had the pleasure of attending last year. 02:22:04.640 --> 02:22:07.640 But our support is vital, you know, 02:22:08.160 --> 02:22:10.056 to supporting those community events 02:22:10.080 --> 02:22:12.295 otherwise they simply do not happen. 02:22:12.319 --> 02:22:15.319 Hence why I think the committee or my 02:22:15.439 --> 02:22:16.856 interpretation of the committee's 02:22:16.880 --> 02:22:19.335 comments and staff com staff's comments 02:22:19.359 --> 02:22:21.256 is that you know there's a pie they try 02:22:21.280 --> 02:22:23.896 and cut it up you know to as many 02:22:23.920 --> 02:22:26.856 applicants as possible based on capacity 02:22:26.880 --> 02:22:29.880 to fund it themselves or or drive 02:22:30.240 --> 02:22:32.536 drive these initiatives. But yeah really 02:22:32.560 --> 02:22:34.696 it's about stimulating local spending, 02:22:34.720 --> 02:22:36.536 creating employment opportunities and 02:22:36.560 --> 02:22:38.856 delivering economic and community 02:22:38.880 --> 02:22:41.576 benefit. it does really enrich our 02:22:41.600 --> 02:22:44.375 cultural life and foster that community 02:22:44.399 --> 02:22:47.399 pride. Um so yeah, council is proud to 02:22:47.600 --> 02:22:50.295 back those grassroots events across Lake 02:22:50.319 --> 02:22:52.455 Macquarie and effectively bring the 02:22:52.479 --> 02:22:54.936 community together notwithstanding 02:22:54.960 --> 02:22:57.496 the debate that's gone on here this 02:22:57.520 --> 02:23:00.216 evening. so I as the Mayor want to 02:23:00.240 --> 02:23:01.816 congratulate all the successful 02:23:01.840 --> 02:23:04.455 applicants. this as was expressed 02:23:04.479 --> 02:23:06.295 before is round one. There'll be a 02:23:06.319 --> 02:23:09.319 further round in the future. Um but 02:23:10.080 --> 02:23:13.080 yeah, you know, we've effectively been 02:23:13.439 --> 02:23:16.439 um debating a couple of thousand when 02:23:18.399 --> 02:23:21.016 at at the end of the day $75,000 is 02:23:21.040 --> 02:23:24.040 going out the door in this round plus 02:23:24.160 --> 02:23:26.375 more money in the future. So, just 02:23:26.399 --> 02:23:29.399 wanted to to make those remarks and 02:23:29.520 --> 02:23:31.816 put that on the record. Council 02:23:31.840 --> 02:23:33.496 Pauling. 02:23:33.520 --> 02:23:36.520 thank you, Mr Mayor I 02:23:37.760 --> 02:23:40.760 speak against the motion. Um 02:23:41.760 --> 02:23:43.816 I was half hoping this matter would blow 02:23:43.840 --> 02:23:45.016 through while I was out of the room to 02:23:45.040 --> 02:23:46.375 tell you the truth, but it hasn't. So 02:23:46.399 --> 02:23:48.455 that's put me in a bit of a spot. Um I 02:23:48.479 --> 02:23:50.616 came back in and the comments by 02:23:50.640 --> 02:23:52.616 councelor Grigg resonate very strongly 02:23:52.640 --> 02:23:55.640 with me. I'm disappointed with how 02:23:56.000 --> 02:23:58.136 this has played out. As has been noted, 02:23:58.160 --> 02:23:59.576 we're not talking about a huge amount of 02:23:59.600 --> 02:24:02.295 money. Um we've made reference to others 02:24:02.319 --> 02:24:04.856 may have asked had they known but I come 02:24:04.880 --> 02:24:07.496 back to um something said by someone 02:24:07.520 --> 02:24:09.016 fairly wise earlier this evening if you 02:24:09.040 --> 02:24:11.415 don't ask you don't get um that's a 02:24:11.439 --> 02:24:13.335 reference to councelor Schultz as we 02:24:13.359 --> 02:24:16.359 exited dinner um three club three Anzac 02:24:19.040 --> 02:24:21.736 services cared enough to make an 02:24:21.760 --> 02:24:23.496 application. 02:24:23.520 --> 02:24:26.295 I find it very difficult no matter what 02:24:26.319 --> 02:24:29.319 the circumstances to turn my back on 02:24:29.359 --> 02:24:32.359 them whether they can fund or not um any 02:24:33.600 --> 02:24:36.375 comparison we make about the 75 we are 02:24:36.399 --> 02:24:39.016 giving away I come back to when we've 02:24:39.040 --> 02:24:42.040 got 95,000 still in the kitty and we 02:24:42.560 --> 02:24:45.415 choose not to support those requests 02:24:45.439 --> 02:24:48.136 which in relation to these two is a mere 02:24:48.160 --> 02:24:50.216 $3,000 02:24:50.240 --> 02:24:52.696 it doesn't sit well with me and I don't 02:24:52.720 --> 02:24:54.936 know how I can in good conscience 02:24:54.960 --> 02:24:57.960 support the motion as it stands. And 02:24:58.319 --> 02:24:59.896 that puts me in a bit of a spot because 02:24:59.920 --> 02:25:02.856 yeah, platitudes aside, there is some 02:25:02.880 --> 02:25:05.880 positives here, but the tarnish has been 02:25:06.720 --> 02:25:09.720 taken off for me. Um, 02:25:10.240 --> 02:25:11.976 it's not the first time. as others 02:25:12.000 --> 02:25:13.576 have noted, we've been here before. 02:25:13.600 --> 02:25:15.256 every year we end up in the same spot 02:25:15.280 --> 02:25:18.280 and I find myself backed into a corner 02:25:18.479 --> 02:25:20.216 where I have no choice but to vote 02:25:20.240 --> 02:25:22.696 against otherwise meritous 02:25:22.720 --> 02:25:24.696 recommendations. Um so that's the base 02:25:24.720 --> 02:25:26.936 of where this is. I do support the 02:25:26.960 --> 02:25:29.960 grants committee. I support this process 02:25:30.800 --> 02:25:33.800 but I can't in good conscience um under 02:25:35.200 --> 02:25:37.496 support the Anzac Day requests and 02:25:37.520 --> 02:25:39.496 accordingly I speak against the motion. 02:25:39.520 --> 02:25:41.976 thank you Mr Mayor thank you. 02:25:42.000 --> 02:25:45.000 councelor Buckley. Yes, thank you. Um, 02:25:45.840 --> 02:25:48.776 look, I take on board what, um, 02:25:48.800 --> 02:25:51.800 councelor Grigg, councelor Pauling have 02:25:52.080 --> 02:25:55.080 to say. Um, I the Anzac Day donations 02:25:57.760 --> 02:25:59.896 have been something that we've been 02:25:59.920 --> 02:26:02.536 discussing for the last three years and 02:26:02.560 --> 02:26:05.560 we've been talking about or suggestions 02:26:05.600 --> 02:26:07.176 been made that there be a separate 02:26:07.200 --> 02:26:10.200 bucket of funding for those. um for 02:26:11.040 --> 02:26:12.776 those ceremonies, which I think is 02:26:12.800 --> 02:26:14.936 probably the best way to go and I think 02:26:14.960 --> 02:26:16.696 that's something that we're looking at 02:26:16.720 --> 02:26:19.720 as part of the committee. Um 02:26:21.520 --> 02:26:23.576 as I said earlier, we would like to be 02:26:23.600 --> 02:26:25.496 able to fund everything to the amount 02:26:25.520 --> 02:26:27.976 that people have asked for, but we're 02:26:28.000 --> 02:26:31.000 not able to do that. Um, yes, we do have 02:26:31.040 --> 02:26:32.856 some money left over, but we've got 02:26:32.880 --> 02:26:35.880 another 6 months to go, another round of 02:26:36.240 --> 02:26:39.240 funding at in the in the second half of 02:26:39.920 --> 02:26:42.920 the year. Um, so we need to we need to 02:26:43.280 --> 02:26:46.280 be yeah, we need to be careful of that 02:26:46.399 --> 02:26:48.936 to make sure that we have money there to 02:26:48.960 --> 02:26:51.656 um to provide. And at at the end of the 02:26:51.680 --> 02:26:54.375 year, we have Christmas 02:26:54.399 --> 02:26:57.399 um activities that people want funding 02:26:57.439 --> 02:26:59.896 for. Um, 02:26:59.920 --> 02:27:02.295 so it, as I say, it's difficult. I will 02:27:02.319 --> 02:27:05.319 be voting for the motion. 02:27:06.319 --> 02:27:09.176 Um, and I think we've had two and two. 02:27:09.200 --> 02:27:11.016 So I'd like to move that the motion be 02:27:11.040 --> 02:27:13.176 put. thank you. thank you. You're moving 02:27:13.200 --> 02:27:15.816 that way. That the motion be put. 02:27:15.840 --> 02:27:18.840 just to clarify, we have had two. Yep. 02:27:19.280 --> 02:27:22.280 for clarity. Um, 02:27:23.920 --> 02:27:26.536 we might just do that that it's you've 02:27:26.560 --> 02:27:28.375 moved that way. all those in favor 02:27:28.399 --> 02:27:30.696 that the motion be put, please raise 02:27:30.720 --> 02:27:32.696 your hand. Deputy Mayor Antcliff, 02:27:32.720 --> 02:27:34.455 Councelor Grigg, Councelor Conroy, 02:27:34.479 --> 02:27:36.936 Councelor Bishop, Councelor Warner, 02:27:36.960 --> 02:27:38.696 Council Swinsburg, Councelor Buckley, 02:27:38.720 --> 02:27:40.455 Council Schultz, Council Radcliffe, 02:27:40.479 --> 02:27:42.856 Mayor Adam Schultz, those against, 02:27:42.880 --> 02:27:45.880 Council Pauling, I declare it carried. 02:27:46.000 --> 02:27:49.000 so on that note we will put the 02:27:49.520 --> 02:27:51.976 alternate motion 02:27:52.000 --> 02:27:55.000 which is 02:27:57.200 --> 02:27:58.936 it was moved by councelor Griggs 02:27:58.960 --> 02:28:01.960 seconded by deputy Mayor Antcliff and 02:28:02.479 --> 02:28:05.479 it is that council a funds application 02:28:06.160 --> 02:28:09.160 numbers I am going to read them 1 3 5 6 02:28:10.080 --> 02:28:13.080 7 11 14 20 21 23 25 26 27 27 28 and 29 02:28:17.439 --> 02:28:19.656 as part of the event funding program 02:28:19.680 --> 02:28:22.680 round one 2025 to 2026 02:28:24.479 --> 02:28:26.856 to applicants and for the amounts as 02:28:26.880 --> 02:28:29.880 detailed in attachment one of the report 02:28:30.800 --> 02:28:33.335 and B does not fund application 02:28:33.359 --> 02:28:36.359 numbers 4 8 9 12 13 17 and 24 as part of 02:28:38.160 --> 02:28:41.160 the event funding program round 1 2025 02:28:41.920 --> 02:28:44.920 to 2026 as detailed in attachment one of 02:28:45.600 --> 02:28:48.536 this report. I'll do that via a show 02:28:48.560 --> 02:28:50.536 of hands. All those in favor, please 02:28:50.560 --> 02:28:53.335 raise your hand. Deputy Mayor 02:28:53.359 --> 02:28:55.256 Antcliff, Councelor Grig, Councelor 02:28:55.280 --> 02:28:57.415 Conroy, Councelor Bishop, Councelor 02:28:57.439 --> 02:28:59.736 Warner, Councelor Swinsburg, 02:28:59.760 --> 02:29:02.536 Councelor Buckley, Councelor Radcliffe, 02:29:02.560 --> 02:29:05.096 Mayor Adam Schultz, those against, 02:29:05.120 --> 02:29:06.856 Councelor Pauling, and Councelor 02:29:06.880 --> 02:29:09.880 Schultz. I declare the motion carried. 02:29:10.319 --> 02:29:13.319 thank you, councilors. 02:29:14.240 --> 02:29:15.976 So, 02:29:16.000 --> 02:29:18.856 our next item 02:29:18.880 --> 02:29:21.096 is 02:29:21.120 --> 02:29:22.696 I believe council Schultz might 02:29:22.720 --> 02:29:25.720 vacate the chamber. and this one is 02:29:26.080 --> 02:29:27.816 council 02:29:27.840 --> 02:29:29.976 funds. 02:29:30.000 --> 02:29:33.000 We we might just hold. 02:29:33.439 --> 02:29:36.439 Yep. So this one is council funds 02:29:36.560 --> 02:29:39.256 application number two as part of the 02:29:39.280 --> 02:29:42.280 event funding program round one 2025 to 02:29:43.680 --> 02:29:45.736 2026 02:29:45.760 --> 02:29:47.656 to the applicant for the amount 02:29:47.680 --> 02:29:50.680 detailed in attachment one of this 02:29:50.800 --> 02:29:53.800 report. can I get a mover and a 02:29:54.080 --> 02:29:57.080 seconder to that? thank you councelor 02:29:57.280 --> 02:29:59.736 Radcliffe. You're moving that way. thank 02:29:59.760 --> 02:30:02.760 you. Is there a seconder? Anyone want to 02:30:02.960 --> 02:30:05.496 second this one? Yep. Councelor Buckley, 02:30:05.520 --> 02:30:08.136 thank you. Council Radcliffe, did you 02:30:08.160 --> 02:30:11.160 want to speak on this matter? I think 02:30:11.359 --> 02:30:13.976 we've probably had enough. Had enough 02:30:14.000 --> 02:30:17.000 for now. Yeah. Cool. Clara, can I ask 02:30:19.520 --> 02:30:22.520 a question just to clarify what I'll 02:30:23.280 --> 02:30:26.280 clarify that item number two is the tune 02:30:26.560 --> 02:30:29.096 Card of Squash Center for the Lake 02:30:29.120 --> 02:30:31.415 Macquarie Open. So, everyone playing along 02:30:31.439 --> 02:30:34.439 at home, that's what item number two is. 02:30:34.960 --> 02:30:36.856 Um, there doesn't appear to be anyone 02:30:36.880 --> 02:30:39.335 looking for the for the call. So I will 02:30:39.359 --> 02:30:40.856 put 02:30:40.880 --> 02:30:43.880 this item which was moved by council 02:30:44.720 --> 02:30:47.335 Radcliffe, seconded by council Buckley 02:30:47.359 --> 02:30:49.176 that council funds application number 02:30:49.200 --> 02:30:51.896 two which is the itune Cardiff squash 02:30:51.920 --> 02:30:54.536 center late Macquarie open as part of 02:30:54.560 --> 02:30:57.560 the event funding program round one 2025 02:30:58.000 --> 02:31:01.000 to 2026 to the applicant for the amount 02:31:01.200 --> 02:31:04.056 detailed in attachment one of the report 02:31:04.080 --> 02:31:06.136 and I'll do that via a show of hands. 02:31:06.160 --> 02:31:07.736 All those in favor, please raise your 02:31:07.760 --> 02:31:10.136 hand. Deputy Mayor Antcliff, 02:31:10.160 --> 02:31:11.976 Councelor Grigg, Councelor Conroy, 02:31:12.000 --> 02:31:14.616 Councelor Bishop, Councelor Warner, 02:31:14.640 --> 02:31:16.536 Council Pauling, Council Swinsburg, 02:31:16.560 --> 02:31:18.696 Councelor Buckley, Council Radcliffe, 02:31:18.720 --> 02:31:20.856 Mayor Adam Schultz. Those against, there 02:31:20.880 --> 02:31:22.455 being no opposition, I declare it 02:31:22.479 --> 02:31:24.856 carried unanimously. 02:31:24.880 --> 02:31:27.256 Councilors, I believe councelor Schultz 02:31:27.280 --> 02:31:28.936 is 02:31:28.960 --> 02:31:31.960 returning to the chamber 02:31:32.080 --> 02:31:35.080 and I'm going to make an exit. and 02:31:35.280 --> 02:31:38.280 the deputy Mayor will chair this this 02:31:39.120 --> 02:31:42.120 section. 02:31:46.080 --> 02:31:49.080 Jack. 02:32:02.960 --> 02:32:05.176 Okay, counselors, the first grade 02:32:05.200 --> 02:32:07.576 halfback's left the room or he's on his 02:32:07.600 --> 02:32:10.600 way out the door. 02:32:11.120 --> 02:32:14.120 You get reserve grade for one item. So 02:32:15.520 --> 02:32:18.455 councilors we are here with alternative 02:32:18.479 --> 02:32:21.479 motion part three that is that council D 02:32:22.560 --> 02:32:25.096 funds application number 10 as part of 02:32:25.120 --> 02:32:27.736 the event funding program around 1225 02:32:27.760 --> 02:32:30.056 2026 the applicant and for the amount 02:32:30.080 --> 02:32:33.080 detailed in amendment one of the report 02:32:33.120 --> 02:32:36.120 those playing along at home a item 10 02:32:36.319 --> 02:32:39.319 was Lion's Club of Valentine Anzac Day 02:32:39.359 --> 02:32:42.359 and I'll look for a mover 02:32:42.560 --> 02:32:44.295 council Swinsburg. I'll look for a 02:32:44.319 --> 02:32:47.176 secondary. Councelor Bishop. Is there 02:32:47.200 --> 02:32:50.200 anyone looking to speak on the matter? 02:32:57.359 --> 02:32:58.776 There doesn't appear to be anyone 02:32:58.800 --> 02:33:01.800 looking to speak on the matter. Um, 02:33:03.439 --> 02:33:04.616 councelor Swinsburg, you didn't want to 02:33:04.640 --> 02:33:06.776 write a reply. 02:33:06.800 --> 02:33:09.800 No, thanks. Deputy, we're good to go. 02:33:10.240 --> 02:33:13.016 In that in that case councilors I will 02:33:13.040 --> 02:33:16.040 look to put alternate motion number 02:33:16.800 --> 02:33:18.536 three. I'll do that by a show of hands. 02:33:18.560 --> 02:33:21.560 Although 02:33:22.240 --> 02:33:24.136 councelor Conroy, councelor Bishop 02:33:24.160 --> 02:33:25.736 Warner, councelor Swinsburg, councelor 02:33:25.760 --> 02:33:27.096 Buckley, councelor Schultz, councelor 02:33:27.120 --> 02:33:28.776 Radcliffe, deputy Mayor Ankliff. Those 02:33:28.800 --> 02:33:31.800 against councelor Grig I declare it 02:33:32.080 --> 02:33:33.976 carried. 02:33:34.000 --> 02:33:36.856 thank you councilors. I will invite the 02:33:36.880 --> 02:33:39.880 Mayor back into the room. 02:34:11.680 --> 02:34:14.056 thank you, Deputy Mayor Antcliff. I 02:34:14.080 --> 02:34:15.576 believe you did a stellar job. 02:34:15.600 --> 02:34:17.415 Congratulations. 02:34:17.439 --> 02:34:20.439 the next item as I understand it 02:34:24.000 --> 02:34:27.000 02:34:27.520 --> 02:34:29.976 we have councelor Bishop and councelor 02:34:30.000 --> 02:34:31.736 Warner looking to leave for this one 02:34:31.760 --> 02:34:34.760 that's on my run sheet here. 02:34:36.479 --> 02:34:39.479 so this one councilors is that an 02:34:40.880 --> 02:34:43.096 alternate motion that council funds 02:34:43.120 --> 02:34:46.120 application numbers 16 and 22 as part of 02:34:47.920 --> 02:34:50.920 the event funding program round one 2025 02:34:52.800 --> 02:34:55.800 to 2026 to applicants and for amount 02:34:57.439 --> 02:35:00.439 as detailed in the attachment one of the 02:35:00.960 --> 02:35:03.960 report just for clarity item 16 02:35:07.120 --> 02:35:09.256 is the National Child Protection 02:35:09.280 --> 02:35:12.216 Awareness Day through the Hearts and 02:35:12.240 --> 02:35:14.936 Hands Community Development 02:35:14.960 --> 02:35:16.536 organization 02:35:16.560 --> 02:35:19.560 and also it's the Orange Ride for 02:35:21.200 --> 02:35:24.200 Children Protection Awareness Initiative 02:35:24.319 --> 02:35:26.856 again through the Hearts and Hands 02:35:26.880 --> 02:35:28.856 Community Development 02:35:28.880 --> 02:35:31.736 organization. So councilors again I 02:35:31.760 --> 02:35:34.760 will look for a mover and a seconder 02:35:37.840 --> 02:35:40.616 Conroy seconded. Councelor Buckley. 02:35:40.640 --> 02:35:42.216 thank you. Councelor Conroy, did you 02:35:42.240 --> 02:35:44.616 want to speak on this item? Oh, you 02:35:44.640 --> 02:35:46.056 reserve your right. No worries. 02:35:46.080 --> 02:35:47.736 councelor Radcliffe, there's a queue 02:35:47.760 --> 02:35:49.976 here. Did you want to speak or is that a 02:35:50.000 --> 02:35:51.896 leftover queue? Oh, I was just going to 02:35:51.920 --> 02:35:53.415 move it and just say that, you know, 02:35:53.439 --> 02:35:56.439 another example of a great um event. 02:35:57.200 --> 02:35:59.656 Absolutely. councilors, is there 02:35:59.680 --> 02:36:01.656 anyone else looking for the the call on 02:36:01.680 --> 02:36:04.680 this one or we're happy to put it? 02:36:04.720 --> 02:36:06.936 There doesn't appear to be. So we will 02:36:06.960 --> 02:36:09.960 put this item which is the council 02:36:11.040 --> 02:36:14.040 funds application numbers 16 and 22 as 02:36:15.120 --> 02:36:17.415 part of the event funding program round 02:36:17.439 --> 02:36:20.439 1 2025 to 2026 to applicants and for the 02:36:22.000 --> 02:36:24.056 amounts as detailed in attachment one of 02:36:24.080 --> 02:36:27.080 the report moved by councelor Conroy 02:36:28.160 --> 02:36:30.216 and seconded by councelor Buckley. Again 02:36:30.240 --> 02:36:31.896 we'll do that via a show of hands. All 02:36:31.920 --> 02:36:34.056 those in favor please raise your hand. 02:36:34.080 --> 02:36:36.375 Deputy Mayor Antcliff, Councelor 02:36:36.399 --> 02:36:38.856 Greg, Councelor Conroy, Council 02:36:38.880 --> 02:36:40.776 Pauling, Councelor Swinsburg, Councelor 02:36:40.800 --> 02:36:42.455 Buckley, Council Schultz, Council 02:36:42.479 --> 02:36:44.856 Radcliffe, and Mayor Adam Schultz. Those 02:36:44.880 --> 02:36:46.375 against, there being no opposition, I 02:36:46.399 --> 02:36:49.096 declare it carried unanimously. And I 02:36:49.120 --> 02:36:51.976 believe that councelor Bishop and 02:36:52.000 --> 02:36:55.000 Warner will be returning to the chamber. 02:36:55.040 --> 02:36:58.040 thank you. 02:37:00.000 --> 02:37:01.976 And 02:37:02.000 --> 02:37:05.000 have I got I've got this one. Yep. So, 02:37:05.359 --> 02:37:08.359 we have one more. so councelor 02:37:10.000 --> 02:37:11.736 Ankliff, deputy Mayor, I believe you'll 02:37:11.760 --> 02:37:14.136 be departing for this one. thank you. 02:37:14.160 --> 02:37:16.776 he's leaving the chamber. This one 02:37:16.800 --> 02:37:18.856 is that council funds application 02:37:18.880 --> 02:37:21.880 numbers 15 and 19 which is 02:37:24.479 --> 02:37:27.096 the youth surfing national battle and 02:37:27.120 --> 02:37:30.120 the let's surf Lake MAC initiatives and 02:37:30.479 --> 02:37:33.479 does not fund application number 18 02:37:36.080 --> 02:37:38.056 as part of the event funding program 02:37:38.080 --> 02:37:41.080 round 1 2025 to 2026 to applicants and 02:37:42.640 --> 02:37:44.856 for the amounts detailed in 02:37:44.880 --> 02:37:47.016 attachment one of the report. Again, 02:37:47.040 --> 02:37:48.856 councilors, I'll look for a mover and a 02:37:48.880 --> 02:37:51.816 seconder. Council Swinsburg, you're 02:37:51.840 --> 02:37:54.840 moving that way. And Council Radcliffe, 02:37:54.880 --> 02:37:56.216 you're seconding that. thank you. 02:37:56.240 --> 02:37:58.136 Councelor Swinsburg, did you want to 02:37:58.160 --> 02:38:00.856 speak on the item? No thanks. No thanks. 02:38:00.880 --> 02:38:02.856 No worries. there doesn't appear to 02:38:02.880 --> 02:38:04.776 be anyone else looking for the call. So 02:38:04.800 --> 02:38:07.800 I will put this item that council 02:38:08.640 --> 02:38:11.640 funds application numbers 15 and 19 and 02:38:12.399 --> 02:38:14.856 does not fund application 18 as part of 02:38:14.880 --> 02:38:17.880 the event funding program round 1 2025 02:38:17.920 --> 02:38:20.920 to 2026 to applicants and for the 02:38:21.439 --> 02:38:23.896 amounts as detailed in attachment one of 02:38:23.920 --> 02:38:25.656 the report. 02:38:25.680 --> 02:38:27.816 Again we'll do that by a show of hands. 02:38:27.840 --> 02:38:29.576 All those in favor please raise your 02:38:29.600 --> 02:38:32.295 hand. those in favor, councelor 02:38:32.319 --> 02:38:34.216 Grigg, councelor Conroy, councelor 02:38:34.240 --> 02:38:36.216 Bishop, councel Warner, councelor 02:38:36.240 --> 02:38:38.616 Pauling, councelor Swinsburg, councelor 02:38:38.640 --> 02:38:40.616 Buckley, councelor Schultz, councelor 02:38:40.640 --> 02:38:43.176 Radcliffe, Mayor Adam Schultz. Those 02:38:43.200 --> 02:38:44.936 against, there being no opposition, I 02:38:44.960 --> 02:38:46.696 declare it carried unanimously. thank 02:38:46.720 --> 02:38:48.455 you councilors. And I believe Deputy 02:38:48.479 --> 02:38:50.776 Mayor Antcliff will be returning to the 02:38:50.800 --> 02:38:53.800 to the chamber. 02:39:09.040 --> 02:39:12.040 Okay. 02:39:15.760 --> 02:39:18.760 So I'm just noting that we have 02:39:21.280 --> 02:39:23.816 item 25 SP047 02:39:23.840 --> 02:39:26.216 has been deferred to the end of the 02:39:26.240 --> 02:39:28.616 meeting given it does have a 02:39:28.640 --> 02:39:31.415 confidential item. 02:39:31.439 --> 02:39:33.016 So 02:39:33.040 --> 02:39:35.656 given that 02:39:35.680 --> 02:39:38.680 we will move on to one report of 02:39:41.120 --> 02:39:43.096 recommendations committee this evening 02:39:43.120 --> 02:39:46.120 which is 25 SP048 02:39:47.040 --> 02:39:49.415 recommendations of the traffic 02:39:49.439 --> 02:39:51.736 facilities and road safety committee 02:39:51.760 --> 02:39:53.976 June 2025 02:39:54.000 --> 02:39:56.696 councilors. Do I have a mover and a 02:39:56.720 --> 02:39:58.696 second? 02:39:58.720 --> 02:40:01.256 Councelor Grigg. thank you. And 02:40:01.280 --> 02:40:04.280 seconded, Councelor Conroy. thank you. 02:40:04.880 --> 02:40:07.096 Councelor Grigg, did you want to speak 02:40:07.120 --> 02:40:10.120 on this item? 02:40:11.520 --> 02:40:13.096 Okay, no worries. Just got to remember 02:40:13.120 --> 02:40:15.176 to put your mic on too when when you're 02:40:15.200 --> 02:40:18.056 speaking. Um, so Council Grigg won't be 02:40:18.080 --> 02:40:19.656 speaking on the item. There doesn't 02:40:19.680 --> 02:40:22.216 appear to be any Oh, yes, there is. 02:40:22.240 --> 02:40:23.896 Councelor Schultz is looking for the 02:40:23.920 --> 02:40:26.920 call. it's just two quick questions 02:40:26.960 --> 02:40:29.960 hopefully. Um the first one is who 02:40:30.479 --> 02:40:33.335 would be funding the installation of 02:40:33.359 --> 02:40:36.359 this roundabout? Is that a council 02:40:36.479 --> 02:40:38.216 funding or is that a transport for New 02:40:38.240 --> 02:40:41.240 South Wales? 02:40:41.280 --> 02:40:43.736 I'll defer to Mr. Antcliff as per the 02:40:43.760 --> 02:40:46.696 CEO's advice. thank you Mr. Mayor 02:40:46.720 --> 02:40:49.720 through you. Um this roundabouts has 02:40:49.760 --> 02:40:51.896 several funding sources. It was the 02:40:51.920 --> 02:40:54.536 recipient of grant funding from the 02:40:54.560 --> 02:40:56.776 state VPA 02:40:56.800 --> 02:40:59.800 in the order of 2 and a half million I 02:41:00.000 --> 02:41:03.000 want to say. Um and the vast majority of 02:41:03.920 --> 02:41:05.335 funding is actually development 02:41:05.359 --> 02:41:06.936 contributions funding from the 02:41:06.960 --> 02:41:09.335 development contributions plan. It was 02:41:09.359 --> 02:41:12.359 nominated around 10 years ago in the 02:41:12.399 --> 02:41:14.536 7-Eleven plan and funds have been 02:41:14.560 --> 02:41:16.136 collected over that period of time for 02:41:16.160 --> 02:41:17.576 the delivery of this piece of 02:41:17.600 --> 02:41:19.976 infrastructure. 02:41:20.000 --> 02:41:21.656 Schultz. And one quick supplementary, 02:41:21.680 --> 02:41:24.536 what's the anticipated cost for the 02:41:24.560 --> 02:41:26.856 roundabout? 02:41:26.880 --> 02:41:29.880 Good question. Mr. Antcliff, Mr. 02:41:30.319 --> 02:41:32.216 Mayor, through you. It is in the order 02:41:32.240 --> 02:41:35.240 of 10 million 02:41:35.359 --> 02:41:38.359 expensive roundabout. They're not cheap. 02:41:38.800 --> 02:41:40.136 Excellent. thank you for that. Um, 02:41:40.160 --> 02:41:41.736 briefly, I'll be supporting the motion. 02:41:41.760 --> 02:41:44.216 I just wanted clarity around who's who's 02:41:44.240 --> 02:41:45.976 paying the bill and how much the bill 02:41:46.000 --> 02:41:48.136 was. thank you, Mr Mayor thank you, 02:41:48.160 --> 02:41:50.616 councelor. there doesn't appear 02:41:50.640 --> 02:41:52.536 to be anyone else looking for the call. 02:41:52.560 --> 02:41:55.560 so we will put 25 SP048 02:41:57.280 --> 02:41:58.776 recommendations of the traffic 02:41:58.800 --> 02:42:01.016 facilities and road safety committee 02:42:01.040 --> 02:42:04.040 June 2025 moved by councelor Greg 02:42:04.960 --> 02:42:07.096 seconded by councelor Conroy. We'll do 02:42:07.120 --> 02:42:09.096 that by a show of hands. All those in 02:42:09.120 --> 02:42:12.056 favor please raise your hand. those 02:42:12.080 --> 02:42:13.736 in favor, Deputy Mayor Antcliff, 02:42:13.760 --> 02:42:15.496 Councelor Grigg, Councelor Conroy, 02:42:15.520 --> 02:42:17.415 Councelor Bishop, Council Warner, 02:42:17.439 --> 02:42:19.256 Council Pauling, Councelor Swinsburg, 02:42:19.280 --> 02:42:21.096 Councelor Buckley, Council Schultz, 02:42:21.120 --> 02:42:23.976 Council Radcliffe, Mayor Adam Schultz. 02:42:24.000 --> 02:42:25.256 Those against, there being no 02:42:25.280 --> 02:42:26.856 opposition, I declare it carried 02:42:26.880 --> 02:42:29.880 unanimously. thank you, councilors. 02:42:29.920 --> 02:42:32.920 inspection reports is nil. Matters 02:42:32.960 --> 02:42:35.960 referred is nil. Tender reports is nil. 02:42:36.640 --> 02:42:39.640 We do have one notice of motion. that 02:42:40.160 --> 02:42:43.160 notice of motion is 25 NM0003 02:42:47.359 --> 02:42:50.359 which is to improve pedestrian safety 02:42:50.399 --> 02:42:53.399 at three-ways crossing Kahiba and that 02:42:53.600 --> 02:42:55.496 is a notice of motion from the deputy 02:42:55.520 --> 02:42:58.056 Mayor councelor Jack Antcliff. 02:42:58.080 --> 02:42:59.496 Councelor Antcliff, you're looking to 02:42:59.520 --> 02:43:01.576 move that way. I am. Yes. thank you. And 02:43:01.600 --> 02:43:03.335 I'll look for a seconder. thank you 02:43:03.359 --> 02:43:05.576 councelor Bishop. deputy Mayor 02:43:05.600 --> 02:43:07.896 Antcliff did you want to speak to your 02:43:07.920 --> 02:43:09.976 notice of motion? thank you, Mr Mayor 02:43:10.000 --> 02:43:13.000 I will make a few short remarks, noting 02:43:13.120 --> 02:43:15.096 that it is getting late in the evening. 02:43:15.120 --> 02:43:17.016 Um, I do want to start by acknowledging 02:43:17.040 --> 02:43:19.096 Mr. Anthony Blondon who did present 02:43:19.120 --> 02:43:20.856 to us as public forum earlier today. 02:43:20.880 --> 02:43:22.616 Obviously, he's well gone home, which is 02:43:22.640 --> 02:43:24.616 understandable, but um but acknowledge 02:43:24.640 --> 02:43:26.616 him and also acknowledge the Coher 02:43:26.640 --> 02:43:27.976 community who has thrown their support 02:43:28.000 --> 02:43:30.375 behind this one. um the you found the 02:43:30.399 --> 02:43:32.216 local petition in the local post office 02:43:32.240 --> 02:43:34.776 and cafe and the like and it received 02:43:34.800 --> 02:43:37.800 over 700 um signatures which for what is 02:43:38.640 --> 02:43:40.776 kind of a small little little village on 02:43:40.800 --> 02:43:42.616 its own albeit wrapped into the 02:43:42.640 --> 02:43:43.896 Charlestown catchment is quite 02:43:43.920 --> 02:43:46.136 remarkable. Um I do want to start by 02:43:46.160 --> 02:43:47.976 saying the intersection that is in the 02:43:48.000 --> 02:43:50.375 notice of motion is like others in our 02:43:50.399 --> 02:43:52.936 LGA. It's um it was fit for purpose at a 02:43:52.960 --> 02:43:55.816 time and it and it likely isn't now for 02:43:55.840 --> 02:43:58.840 for pedestrian safety. Um, it's on a 02:43:59.760 --> 02:44:01.335 list of intersections, no doubt, that 02:44:01.359 --> 02:44:03.176 council could, could be looking to 02:44:03.200 --> 02:44:05.656 invest in. And certainly, um, I 02:44:05.680 --> 02:44:07.335 acknowledge that. I'm not, um, I'm not 02:44:07.359 --> 02:44:09.016 here asking us to put it back at the top 02:44:09.040 --> 02:44:11.335 of the list. I'm merely asking for us to 02:44:11.359 --> 02:44:13.096 acknowledge the community's concern and 02:44:13.120 --> 02:44:14.936 and take a deeper dive into some of 02:44:14.960 --> 02:44:16.616 those potential solutions that could 02:44:16.640 --> 02:44:18.936 exist. Um, the alignment of Ky Road 02:44:18.960 --> 02:44:21.415 dates back to the early 1900s. So, um, 02:44:21.439 --> 02:44:23.255 we're talking about a piece of asset 02:44:23.279 --> 02:44:25.576 that's been there a long, long time. Um 02:44:25.600 --> 02:44:27.576 the community has obviously changed 02:44:27.600 --> 02:44:30.600 since then. Um so has the amount of road 02:44:30.640 --> 02:44:33.415 traffic in the area. Just this evening 02:44:33.439 --> 02:44:35.016 I've been sent a photo. There was an 02:44:35.040 --> 02:44:36.375 accident just down from this 02:44:36.399 --> 02:44:39.255 intersection. So it does certainly have 02:44:39.279 --> 02:44:42.279 um interaction between um certainly yeah 02:44:42.319 --> 02:44:43.976 pedestrians from time to time and 02:44:44.000 --> 02:44:46.375 unfortunately this 02:44:46.399 --> 02:44:48.936 bingle um it is perched at top of a 02:44:48.960 --> 02:44:50.776 crest. It is not the world's most 02:44:50.800 --> 02:44:53.176 perfect location. No doubt about that. 02:44:53.200 --> 02:44:56.200 Um, as I said earlier, what I'm asking 02:44:56.399 --> 02:44:59.016 us to do is to engage further with the 02:44:59.040 --> 02:45:00.856 community or to to look at the concerns 02:45:00.880 --> 02:45:02.776 raised by the community and to come back 02:45:02.800 --> 02:45:05.496 with what potential solutions could be. 02:45:05.520 --> 02:45:07.415 Um, 02:45:07.439 --> 02:45:09.335 this notice motion is about listening to 02:45:09.359 --> 02:45:10.776 that community for their solutions. It 02:45:10.800 --> 02:45:12.375 could be as simple as a few road signs. 02:45:12.399 --> 02:45:14.136 That could be all that that they come up 02:45:14.160 --> 02:45:15.736 with, but I think that's where the 02:45:15.760 --> 02:45:17.656 community knows best. Um, and I 02:45:17.680 --> 02:45:19.176 encourage councilors to support this one 02:45:19.200 --> 02:45:20.536 this evening. thank you, Mr Mayor 02:45:20.560 --> 02:45:23.415 thank you, Deputy Mayor Antcliff. 02:45:23.439 --> 02:45:25.096 Councelor Conroy, you're looking for the 02:45:25.120 --> 02:45:27.335 call. thank you, Mr Mayor Um very 02:45:27.359 --> 02:45:29.736 briefly, I'd like to speak in support of 02:45:29.760 --> 02:45:32.216 the notice of motion from Deputy 02:45:32.240 --> 02:45:35.240 Mayor Jack Ankliffe. Um this is it is 02:45:35.760 --> 02:45:38.616 formerly um an area of mining and 02:45:38.640 --> 02:45:41.415 villages where people led simpler and 02:45:41.439 --> 02:45:44.439 more localized lives previously. Um but 02:45:45.040 --> 02:45:46.856 we are actually asking people to get out 02:45:46.880 --> 02:45:48.776 of their cars and use their bikes and 02:45:48.800 --> 02:45:51.096 use the footpath and um we're really 02:45:51.120 --> 02:45:53.656 lucky that the hybrid is an area where 02:45:53.680 --> 02:45:56.375 the local village shopping center has 02:45:56.399 --> 02:45:58.616 managed to hold on and and in fact in 02:45:58.640 --> 02:46:00.776 some areas also thrive and that is 02:46:00.800 --> 02:46:03.176 something that um as a council we should 02:46:03.200 --> 02:46:06.200 be supporting um those businesses and 02:46:07.680 --> 02:46:10.056 also supporting our community to transit 02:46:10.080 --> 02:46:13.080 safely. particularly while this is a 02:46:14.319 --> 02:46:17.319 a road a thorough affair um linking the 02:46:18.240 --> 02:46:20.056 Pacific Highway and Charles Town an area 02:46:20.080 --> 02:46:21.896 where we have had significant growth and 02:46:21.920 --> 02:46:24.920 where we target for more growth. Um so I 02:46:24.960 --> 02:46:27.896 think um councelor Antcliff was very 02:46:27.920 --> 02:46:30.920 modest in asking for a memo um from the 02:46:32.479 --> 02:46:34.216 outcome of the investigation and noting 02:46:34.240 --> 02:46:36.776 the concerns. Um, 02:46:36.800 --> 02:46:38.856 I would have probably supported a more 02:46:38.880 --> 02:46:40.216 strongly word of motion as well, but 02:46:40.240 --> 02:46:41.415 thank you for your restraint because I 02:46:41.439 --> 02:46:42.936 do think we have to recognize that these 02:46:42.960 --> 02:46:45.176 are problems right across our city as 02:46:45.200 --> 02:46:47.496 we've had growth. So, um, the restraint 02:46:47.520 --> 02:46:50.375 is um, commended. thank you, Councelor 02:46:50.399 --> 02:46:52.056 Conroy. Is there anyone else looking for 02:46:52.080 --> 02:46:54.696 the call? Doesn't appear to be. 02:46:54.720 --> 02:46:57.255 Councelor Deputy May Aniff, did you want 02:46:57.279 --> 02:47:00.279 your reply? 02:47:01.040 --> 02:47:04.040 thank you. so I will therefore put 02:47:05.359 --> 02:47:08.359 25Nm003 02:47:08.479 --> 02:47:10.295 improve pedestrian safety at the 02:47:10.319 --> 02:47:13.319 three-ways crossing Kahiba. U moved by 02:47:13.359 --> 02:47:15.496 Deputy Mayor Jack Antcliff and seconded 02:47:15.520 --> 02:47:18.295 by Councelor Bishop. We'll do that via a 02:47:18.319 --> 02:47:20.616 show of hands. All those in favor, 02:47:20.640 --> 02:47:23.096 please raise your hand. Deputy Mayor 02:47:23.120 --> 02:47:25.016 Antcliff, Councelor Grigg, Councelor 02:47:25.040 --> 02:47:26.616 Conroy, Councelor Bishop, Council 02:47:26.640 --> 02:47:28.696 Warner, Council Pauling, Council 02:47:28.720 --> 02:47:30.856 Swinsburg, Council Buckley, Council 02:47:30.880 --> 02:47:33.415 Schultz, Council Radcliffe, Mayor Adam 02:47:33.439 --> 02:47:36.216 Schultz, those against, 02:47:36.240 --> 02:47:38.856 there being no opposition. I declare 02:47:38.880 --> 02:47:41.016 it carried unanimously. thank you, 02:47:41.040 --> 02:47:42.776 councilors. 02:47:42.800 --> 02:47:45.656 councilors, recision motions is 02:47:45.680 --> 02:47:48.616 Neil. Business without notice. Miss 02:47:48.640 --> 02:47:50.375 Cameron, can you please advise if you 02:47:50.399 --> 02:47:53.016 received any business without notice? 02:47:53.040 --> 02:47:55.176 The CO has not received any business 02:47:55.200 --> 02:47:57.496 without notice. So that councilors 02:47:57.520 --> 02:48:00.136 leaves us with one remaining item 02:48:00.160 --> 02:48:03.160 which we deferred to the end which is 02:48:03.760 --> 02:48:06.216 25 SP047 02:48:06.240 --> 02:48:09.016 Hunter Sports Center business transition 02:48:09.040 --> 02:48:11.976 and submission to the Minister for Local 02:48:12.000 --> 02:48:14.936 Government. I am moving an alternate 02:48:14.960 --> 02:48:17.960 motion. I'm doing that a bit tonight. 02:48:18.160 --> 02:48:21.160 so what I'm looking to do is keep A and 02:48:22.000 --> 02:48:25.000 B and add an supplementary C and D. 02:48:26.880 --> 02:48:29.880 so 02:48:30.160 --> 02:48:32.455 we might 02:48:32.479 --> 02:48:34.776 wait for that to pop up. So yeah, 02:48:34.800 --> 02:48:37.800 keeping A and B but adding C and D. I 02:48:39.120 --> 02:48:42.120 might I'll call I'll just go through it. 02:48:42.560 --> 02:48:45.560 so council A endorses the application 02:48:46.080 --> 02:48:47.656 be made to the Minister for Local 02:48:47.680 --> 02:48:49.576 Government to create a company limited 02:48:49.600 --> 02:48:51.415 by guarantee for the Hunter Sports 02:48:51.439 --> 02:48:54.375 Center. B approves Hunter Region Sports 02:48:54.399 --> 02:48:57.399 Center Incorporated providing 21 days 02:48:57.520 --> 02:48:59.816 notice of a special general meeting to 02:48:59.840 --> 02:49:02.840 allow for their special resolutions to 02:49:02.880 --> 02:49:04.696 occur on this matter following the 02:49:04.720 --> 02:49:07.255 minister's approval of the application. 02:49:07.279 --> 02:49:09.415 And the additions that I'm proposing are 02:49:09.439 --> 02:49:12.216 C and D, which is C updates the proposed 02:49:12.240 --> 02:49:15.240 board structure diagram on page three of 02:49:15.359 --> 02:49:18.056 the report and page 26 of the 02:49:18.080 --> 02:49:21.080 confidential attachment to show four 02:49:21.279 --> 02:49:23.255 late Macquarie City Council appointed 02:49:23.279 --> 02:49:26.279 directors and D updates the draft 02:49:26.720 --> 02:49:29.720 constitution which is clause 4.1A 02:49:30.960 --> 02:49:33.960 IV or four to include the 02:49:34.800 --> 02:49:37.496 requirement that at least four directors 02:49:37.520 --> 02:49:40.520 be appointed by the council member which 02:49:41.040 --> 02:49:44.040 will be the ex offic directors 02:49:46.880 --> 02:49:49.880 councilors I'll look for a seconder 02:49:50.399 --> 02:49:53.399 councelor Grigg thank you so I will 02:49:53.520 --> 02:49:56.520 speak to this briefly so councilors um 02:49:57.439 --> 02:49:59.496 I'll talk to obviously the merits of 02:49:59.520 --> 02:50:00.936 Hunter Sports Center but I want to 02:50:00.960 --> 02:50:02.856 provide you with context as to the basis 02:50:02.880 --> 02:50:05.880 of the alternate motion first at present 02:50:06.000 --> 02:50:08.856 on the Hunter Sports Center committee. 02:50:08.880 --> 02:50:11.816 Council currently has I believe four 02:50:11.840 --> 02:50:14.776 late Macquarie counselors plus the 02:50:14.800 --> 02:50:16.936 CEO's delegate. So we have a 02:50:16.960 --> 02:50:19.960 representation of five. Um, in terms of 02:50:21.439 --> 02:50:23.896 the current proposal or as is without 02:50:23.920 --> 02:50:26.920 this slight tweak, it's looking to 02:50:27.840 --> 02:50:30.136 potentially reduce late Macquarie's 02:50:30.160 --> 02:50:33.160 representation down to three, which 02:50:33.520 --> 02:50:35.816 would include the CEO's delegate, the 02:50:35.840 --> 02:50:38.840 Mayor plus one counselor. the 02:50:38.960 --> 02:50:41.960 adjustment is to effectively ensure that 02:50:43.359 --> 02:50:46.359 we've got out of the nine positions 02:50:46.560 --> 02:50:49.560 on the new board, we will have four 02:50:49.840 --> 02:50:51.896 rather than simply three. So it is 02:50:51.920 --> 02:50:54.375 making sure that we have good counselor 02:50:54.399 --> 02:50:56.616 representation. We're obviously looking 02:50:56.640 --> 02:50:59.640 to upskill the board in terms of having 02:50:59.680 --> 02:51:02.680 a skills matrix and ensuring that you 02:51:02.800 --> 02:51:05.800 know it's on par with other boards of 02:51:06.160 --> 02:51:09.160 significance like Dantia. Um given we 02:51:09.840 --> 02:51:12.840 have recently invested $52 million in 02:51:13.439 --> 02:51:16.136 the new facility, 30 of which has come 02:51:16.160 --> 02:51:18.776 out of Lake Macquarie's coffers, it's 02:51:18.800 --> 02:51:20.936 really important that we have yeah good 02:51:20.960 --> 02:51:22.616 representation from a breadth of 02:51:22.640 --> 02:51:25.640 counselors and not simply representation 02:51:25.760 --> 02:51:28.136 from myself as the Mayor, the CEO's 02:51:28.160 --> 02:51:30.375 delegate plus one, but effectively 02:51:30.399 --> 02:51:33.016 ensuring that we have a minimum of of 02:51:33.040 --> 02:51:35.176 two counselors in addition to myself and 02:51:35.200 --> 02:51:37.415 the CEO's delegate. So that's the 02:51:37.439 --> 02:51:40.439 genesis for this alternate motion. 02:51:41.120 --> 02:51:43.576 Um in terms of the Hunter Sports Center, 02:51:43.600 --> 02:51:46.216 so it is the region's premier athletic 02:51:46.240 --> 02:51:48.856 gymnastics venue offering worldclass 02:51:48.880 --> 02:51:51.335 facilities. It was first built known by 02:51:51.359 --> 02:51:54.359 council way back in 1999 and has 02:51:54.560 --> 02:51:57.016 successfully been managed by the Hunter 02:51:57.040 --> 02:51:59.176 Region Sports Center Administration 02:51:59.200 --> 02:52:02.056 Committee incorporated to date. In 02:52:02.080 --> 02:52:04.056 March earlier this year, the center 02:52:04.080 --> 02:52:06.936 completed that $52 million expansion 02:52:06.960 --> 02:52:09.176 which significantly enhanced its 02:52:09.200 --> 02:52:12.200 facilities and services. As a result of 02:52:12.240 --> 02:52:14.936 this growth, the center will now no 02:52:14.960 --> 02:52:17.576 longer be eligible for the criteria 02:52:17.600 --> 02:52:19.496 in which it is currently registered 02:52:19.520 --> 02:52:21.656 under the associations 02:52:21.680 --> 02:52:24.680 incorporations act given the revenue 02:52:25.680 --> 02:52:28.680 and asset thresholds that must be met in 02:52:28.720 --> 02:52:31.255 order to continue operating under that 02:52:31.279 --> 02:52:33.896 act. So effectively to support its 02:52:33.920 --> 02:52:35.896 continued development, the center must 02:52:35.920 --> 02:52:38.295 transition to register as a company 02:52:38.319 --> 02:52:40.936 limited by guarantee. This is a positive 02:52:40.960 --> 02:52:43.016 and strategic move that reflects the 02:52:43.040 --> 02:52:45.496 cent's evolution and ensures its 02:52:45.520 --> 02:52:47.736 long-term sustainability. 02:52:47.760 --> 02:52:50.056 Importantly, the center will remain a 02:52:50.080 --> 02:52:52.216 community-based facility. The new 02:52:52.240 --> 02:52:53.736 structure 02:52:53.760 --> 02:52:56.760 will in effect, yeah, ensure that 02:52:58.560 --> 02:53:00.295 we're supporting those integrated 02:53:00.319 --> 02:53:02.136 services for residents and visitors 02:53:02.160 --> 02:53:04.696 alike. and the transition marks an 02:53:04.720 --> 02:53:06.616 exciting chapter for the Hunter Sports 02:53:06.640 --> 02:53:09.255 Center to make sure it continues to 02:53:09.279 --> 02:53:11.335 thrive for sport health and community 02:53:11.359 --> 02:53:14.359 connection. Um so yeah, that's that's 02:53:15.359 --> 02:53:18.359 the alternate motion and that's why 02:53:19.359 --> 02:53:22.359 I've I've I've put that forward. is 02:53:22.560 --> 02:53:25.560 there anyone else looking for the call? 02:53:29.359 --> 02:53:32.359 Doesn't appear to be 02:53:33.279 --> 02:53:36.279 Oh, there is. Yep. Council Warner, 02:53:37.760 --> 02:53:39.816 thank you. Um, Mr. Mayor, just a quick 02:53:39.840 --> 02:53:41.816 question, I guess, to staff in relation 02:53:41.840 --> 02:53:44.840 to um the proposal C and D if is 02:53:45.840 --> 02:53:47.896 allowable. 02:53:47.920 --> 02:53:50.920 um what the impact of moving from three 02:53:51.520 --> 02:53:54.520 to four um at Lake McCory City Council 02:53:55.439 --> 02:53:58.439 appointed directors would be um and in 02:53:58.479 --> 02:54:01.479 terms of the likely turnover as well. 02:54:02.640 --> 02:54:05.640 defer to be terms terms probably yeah 02:54:09.840 --> 02:54:12.696 defer to the CEO Morvin Cameron. thank 02:54:12.720 --> 02:54:15.720 you Mr. Mayor through you. Um in 02:54:16.080 --> 02:54:17.656 relation to the first part of your 02:54:17.680 --> 02:54:19.656 question, councelor Warner, there's no 02:54:19.680 --> 02:54:22.680 impact in moving from 3 to four. 02:54:24.399 --> 02:54:26.375 the whole the documents are all draft 02:54:26.399 --> 02:54:29.255 for council to consider and council to 02:54:29.279 --> 02:54:31.335 um support tonight prior to making an 02:54:31.359 --> 02:54:34.136 application to the minister. Um your 02:54:34.160 --> 02:54:35.656 second part of your question was around 02:54:35.680 --> 02:54:37.656 turnover. 02:54:37.680 --> 02:54:39.335 Can I just clarify and then I will have 02:54:39.359 --> 02:54:42.359 to pass is that turnover of council 02:54:43.279 --> 02:54:45.496 representative or turnover of 02:54:45.520 --> 02:54:47.415 representative given where the terms 02:54:47.439 --> 02:54:48.776 that we have will be different to 02:54:48.800 --> 02:54:51.415 potentially others. The answer but I can 02:54:51.439 --> 02:54:53.736 miss Laur might be able to confirm 02:54:53.760 --> 02:54:56.760 current process is that um counselors 02:54:58.080 --> 02:55:01.080 are normally um elected onto boards and 02:55:01.279 --> 02:55:02.856 committees of all sorts at the start of 02:55:02.880 --> 02:55:04.856 the term for the for the term which 02:55:04.880 --> 02:55:06.856 would normally be a four-year term. 02:55:06.880 --> 02:55:08.616 Obviously, this change is going to occur 02:55:08.640 --> 02:55:10.936 midterm. So, a recommendation will come 02:55:10.960 --> 02:55:13.960 back to council to um define that 02:55:14.880 --> 02:55:16.455 when 02:55:16.479 --> 02:55:19.479 um when ministerial approval is received 02:55:20.240 --> 02:55:22.616 and I think the constitution actually 02:55:22.640 --> 02:55:24.616 talks about the councilors being members 02:55:24.640 --> 02:55:26.856 for a council term, but Miss Plameumber 02:55:26.880 --> 02:55:29.880 can confirm that. Miss Plumber. thank 02:55:30.960 --> 02:55:32.856 you through you, Mr Mayor Yes, that's 02:55:32.880 --> 02:55:34.455 correct. So the counselors that are 02:55:34.479 --> 02:55:36.056 appointed to the board will be appointed 02:55:36.080 --> 02:55:39.080 for their term of council. The of the 02:55:39.279 --> 02:55:41.976 four positions, three are counselors and 02:55:42.000 --> 02:55:44.136 one is the CEO or their delegate. So 02:55:44.160 --> 02:55:47.160 that position will um carry through the 02:55:48.479 --> 02:55:51.415 um election cycle. The there are five 02:55:51.439 --> 02:55:53.656 other director positions up to five 02:55:53.680 --> 02:55:55.415 other director positions available on 02:55:55.439 --> 02:55:57.736 the board. They are skills-based 02:55:57.760 --> 02:56:00.760 positions and there is a um a spill 02:56:02.000 --> 02:56:04.455 cycle for those that will be out of sync 02:56:04.479 --> 02:56:07.415 effectively with the council law cycle. 02:56:07.439 --> 02:56:09.176 So that there'll be a continuity of 02:56:09.200 --> 02:56:11.576 board representation 02:56:11.600 --> 02:56:14.600 um that will cycle through with council 02:56:15.040 --> 02:56:18.040 council election cycle um and then those 02:56:18.800 --> 02:56:21.800 other um nominated positions being able 02:56:22.479 --> 02:56:25.016 to yeah carry through and cycle in and 02:56:25.040 --> 02:56:27.496 out in different phases. So okay, thank 02:56:27.520 --> 02:56:29.736 you. So just for clarity cuz it's late 02:56:29.760 --> 02:56:31.896 and my brain's kind of switching off a 02:56:31.920 --> 02:56:34.136 bit. Um but I think I heard you say that 02:56:34.160 --> 02:56:36.295 there's not there won't be that much of 02:56:36.319 --> 02:56:38.455 a negative disadvantage from having 02:56:38.479 --> 02:56:41.479 three to four. Um that effectively it 02:56:41.600 --> 02:56:43.176 provides for that in the constitution 02:56:43.200 --> 02:56:45.736 with the the timing around others and 02:56:45.760 --> 02:56:48.760 continuity. Y plumber 02:56:49.040 --> 02:56:51.736 is that correct? Yes, that is correct. 02:56:51.760 --> 02:56:54.375 thank you. thank you councelor Warner. 02:56:54.399 --> 02:56:56.375 Is there anyone else looking for the 02:56:56.399 --> 02:56:58.936 call? 02:56:58.960 --> 02:57:01.096 It doesn't appear to be. I will wave my 02:57:01.120 --> 02:57:02.776 right of reply because as councelor 02:57:02.800 --> 02:57:04.856 Warner said, everyone's getting tired. 02:57:04.880 --> 02:57:07.096 so on that note, thank you 02:57:07.120 --> 02:57:08.936 councilors. Actually, no, I need to put 02:57:08.960 --> 02:57:11.335 it. Of course I do. No, just take it as 02:57:11.359 --> 02:57:14.359 as read. getting ahead of myself. 02:57:14.560 --> 02:57:17.560 so I will put 25 SP047 Hunter Sports 02:57:18.720 --> 02:57:20.455 Center Business Transition and 02:57:20.479 --> 02:57:22.536 submission to the Minister of Local 02:57:22.560 --> 02:57:25.496 Government. the alternate motion was 02:57:25.520 --> 02:57:27.816 moved by myself, Mayor Adam Schultz, 02:57:27.840 --> 02:57:30.056 seconded by Councelor Grig. again, 02:57:30.080 --> 02:57:31.896 we'll do this via a show of hands. All 02:57:31.920 --> 02:57:34.455 those in favor, please raise your hand. 02:57:34.479 --> 02:57:36.936 Deputy Mayor Anliffe, Councelor Greg, 02:57:36.960 --> 02:57:38.936 Councelor Conroy, Councelor Bishop, 02:57:38.960 --> 02:57:40.936 Councelor Warner, Councelor Pauling, 02:57:40.960 --> 02:57:42.856 Council Swinsburg, Council Buckley, 02:57:42.880 --> 02:57:44.856 Council Schultz, Council Radcliffe, 02:57:44.880 --> 02:57:47.096 Mayor Adam Schultz. Those against, there 02:57:47.120 --> 02:57:48.536 being no opposition, I declare it 02:57:48.560 --> 02:57:51.560 carried. thank you councilors. Yes. So 02:57:52.160 --> 02:57:54.375 now that does conclude our meeting this 02:57:54.399 --> 02:57:56.455 evening at the Windendale Hub. It's been 02:57:56.479 --> 02:57:59.415 great to be here in June for our July 02:57:59.439 --> 02:58:01.096 meetings. We will be heading out to the 02:58:01.120 --> 02:58:03.896 Hunter Sports Center. so that's 02:58:03.920 --> 02:58:06.056 fortuitous and I encourage the community 02:58:06.080 --> 02:58:08.295 to come along to our next standing 02:58:08.319 --> 02:58:09.896 committee meeting which is set to be 02:58:09.920 --> 02:58:12.375 held on Monday the 14th of July from 02:58:12.399 --> 02:58:15.399 6:30 p.m. The meeting is now closed. 02:58:16.080 --> 02:58:19.080 thank you councilors.