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uh councilors Ladies and Gentlemen

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please stand if you're able for the

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Mayor of Lake MacQuarie councelor 

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Kay Fraser

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counselors I invite you to pause before

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we begin this meeting to reflect on the

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responsibilities you have in making

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decisions on the matters before you as

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elected representatives we have a duty

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to carefully consider the implications

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of the decisions we make and strive to

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act in the best interest of our

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community I remind you that the Local

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Government Act requires us to act

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honestly and exercise care and dilligence

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in carrying out our functions and to

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conduct our meetings constructively and

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courtesy in accordance with our code of

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meeting

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practice it is incumbent upon us to be

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open transparent honest and accountable

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for our actions and decisions and to

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demonstrate respect for each other and

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to the staff and members of the public

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present before opening this  the

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meeting this afternoon I must remind

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counselors and members of the gallery

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that meetings of standing committee and

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Council are recorded and webcast public

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Gallery is included in the recording

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webcast members of the public attend

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meeting may have their image and voice

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captured webcast and archive by Council

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by attending a standing committee or

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councilmen you can sent to your image

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speech or other personal information

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being webcasted and recorded  please

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be seated and I'll continue with the

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rest thank you

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 just a few more

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housekeeping  please ensure that you

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mobile phones are turned off or on

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silent and I remind  everyone that

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recording of Council meetings is not

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permitted please be mindful  in the

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gallery that discussion AMongst

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yourselves can make a difficult for

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counselors to hear one another during

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the

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debate so I'll now declare the meeting

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open and welcome everyone here tonight

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welcome counselors members of the

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gallery

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staff and I'll start by and

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acknowledgement of country I'd like to

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acknowledge the Awabakal people the

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original caretakers of the land where I

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live and work and pay respects to all

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Elders past present and future

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generations of knowledge holders of this

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country council's all call for apologies

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but I think everyone's present here 

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Declarations of Interest

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counselors councelor Pauling thank you

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Madam Mayor  I make a non-pecuniary

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significant declaration in relation to

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24mm001 

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on the basis that there's at least

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potential for a perceived conflict of

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interest between myself and that matter

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 basically through ? New England

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connection  I will be leaving the

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chAMber for that matter thank you Mayor

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thank you Council

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Pauling no other declarations councilors

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confirmation of the minutes of the

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ordinary council meeting held on the

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26th of February 2024 have someone

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moved the minutes are correct councilor

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Antcliff thank you do I have a seconder

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councelor Bishop thank you I'll put that

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all those in favor Council AdAMthwaite  Council

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Antcliff   Council Conroy  Council Grigg Council

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Belcher   Council Pauling   Council Bishop

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Council Schultz   Council Buckley  

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Council Warner Council ? declare that carried

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thank you

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councilors  we also need to

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confirm the minutes of the development

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and planning standing committee on the

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11th of March 2024 have someone move

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that  councilor Buckley thank you do I

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have a

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second  councelor Warner thank you

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I'll put that all those in favor councel

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AdAM Schultz  councilor Conroy

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councelor Grigg  councel Belcher  councelor

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Pauling  councelor Bishop councelor Schultz

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councel Buckley councelor Warner Council

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Fraser declared that

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carried councilor's  presentations

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nil and we'll move on to 

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 Mayoral Minutes which I have one

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counselors counselors

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 tonight is a very special night for

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someone in our community I'd like to 

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move the recommendation that  Council

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agrees to bestow the great honour of

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Freeman of the City upon Dr David

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Durheim AM in recognition of his

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outstanding services and contributions

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to Lake MacQuarie City authorizes fixing of

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the common seal of council do those

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documents require execution and holds a

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ceremony to present the Freeman of the

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city to Dr David

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Durheim AM can also note that  Council

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Pauling has left the room has he declared

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an interest councilors  Dr David

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Durheim AM was appointed to the role of

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director of Health protection with

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Hunter New England Health in 2004 but

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but during the covid-19 pandemic he took

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on an immense workload as a public

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health controller for the district

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covid-19 response residents uh who watch

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local news or listen to local radio

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would instantly recognize David's

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distinctive South African accents from

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his regular appearances delivering

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covid-19 updates on local statistics

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Community protection measures and the

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health system

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response with Community fear at an

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all-time high David's calming and

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reassuring tone was welcomed by viewers

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and

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listeners he was a well respected voice

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of reason an expert opinion and remains

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a trusted Public Health physici both in

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the community and within the health

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sector his way of presenting complex

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scientific and medical information in an

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easily understood manner meant residents

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remained informed of the situation

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unfolded around

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them David is also an incredible

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scientist and researcher with an

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exceptional track record as a leader in

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the field of Public Health Medicine he

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began his career in South Africa where

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he coordinated a successful Disease

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Control

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progrAM upon his arrival in Australia in

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2002 he was appointed to the position

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with the World Health Organization the

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whho focusing on disease prevention

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through mosquito control and vaccination

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progrAMs throughout his career he has

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demonstrated a remark able commitment to

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Infectious Disease Control as evident in

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his current role his immense and ongoing

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contribution to the community was

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recognized in 2021 when he was bestowed

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with the honor of the member of the

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order of Australia the AM as part of the

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Queen's birthday honors role for his

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significant service to Public Health

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Medicine and to International

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health councils I'm continually

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impressed by David's outstanding efforts

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to support the community particularly

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throughout the the the city pandemic and

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feel he is thoroughly deserving to be

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recognized as a Freeman of the

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City council Bishop Deputy Mayor 

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thank you Madam Mayor  I want to

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speak in favor of this mayoral minute and

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I thank you for bringing this to

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councils for

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consideration  as we State on our Lake

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MacQuarie City Council website the Freeman of

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the City recognizes individuals for

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their outstanding achievements and

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dedicated service to the community over

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their Lifetime and the Freeman of the

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City award is the highest honor a  a

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council can bestow upon an individual in

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recent times the recipients of the

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Freeman of the city include Mr Harrian

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Mrs Kilpatrick Mr Calwell and Mrs Buck

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and Dr Durheim sorry personifies

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what a free Freeman of our city should

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be like those before him Dr Durheim is a

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valued member of our community and a

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respected citizen the issuing of the

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Freeman of the City and although steeped

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in in historical context the modern

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version still resonates with respect and

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value to our community being the key

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attributes for this

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Accolade Dr Durheim during the last few

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years has been that quiet and Resolute

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voice bringing calm and reason during

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uncertain times in our current World of

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Noise Dr Durheim has demonstrated

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through his actions how to cut through

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the noise to focus on the things that

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really matter the health and well-being

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within our

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community his outstanding work in Lake

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mccy and The Wider Community for his

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sorry for his outstanding work in Lake

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mccy and The Wider Community Dr Durheim

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was nAMed the 2022 Lake MacQuarie AMbassador and

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during his time in this role he

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consistently availed himself to many

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duties supporting yourself Madam Mayor

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 is these for these reasons I agree

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with and support your Mayoral minute and

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the recommendation before Council this

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evening and I hope my fellow counselors

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support this also thank you Madam Mayor

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thank you Deputy Mayor if there's no 

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further

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speakers councelor Warner thank you

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Madam Mayor  and thank you for

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bringing this Mayoral minute  it's really

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wonderful to celebrate the individuals

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that live in Lake MacQuarie I think and  I

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am continually amazed at the quality of

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the people that live and work and serve

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in our community and that was

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highlighted the other night at Our Lake

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Mac Community Awards  and as mentioned

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Dr Durheim was our ambassador in 2022

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and I think that was really well

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deserved  but also in hearing his

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story of where he has personally come

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from  as he shared so openly with our

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 new citizens at this the citizenship

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ceremonies  it's it's really inspiring

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and so  not only has he been a calm

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voice for all of us in terms of his 

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role as the director in public health 

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uh and being that calm voice in the time

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of chaos for all of us  he  is just

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a quality han being  and so I 

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wholeheartedly support uh this Mayoral

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minute that you're bringing tonight and

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I thank you for doing

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so thank you councilor

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Warner councelor if there's no further

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speakers I'll put 2vmm001 Freeman of

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the city Dr David Durheim AM  be moved

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by myself and as printed and I put that

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all those in favor by show of hands

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Council Adamthwaite councelor Antcliffe 

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councelor Conroy councelor Grigg councelor Belcher

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councelor Bishop councelor Schulz councelor

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Buckley councelor Warner councelor Fraser

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declared that carried we'll now ask

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Councilor Pauling to come back to the

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chAMber

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councilors we have  recommendations of

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the standing committee there are four

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the organizational service standing

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committee the built and natural assets

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standing committee the service delivery

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standing committee and the general

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business standing committee councilor's

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Clause 9.1 of the code of Ming practice

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permits Council to resolve to adop

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multiple items of business on the agenda

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by way of a single resolution councilors

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we have the have minutes from the four

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committees on the 11th of March 2024 can

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I please seek an indication if anyone

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wishes to speak on any of those

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matters if not  councelor Greg yeah

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can I move those as a block man you're

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wishing to move the four committees

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together thank you do I have a second of

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counselors uh counselor Buckley thank

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you very much uh as there is no

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discussion I'll put the recommendation

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of all the standing committees from last

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fortn night it's been moved by Council

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grig second by Council Bucky and do that

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by show of hands all those in favor

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Council Aden Council ankli Council

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Conroy councilor Greg Council Bel

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Council paing Council Bishop Council

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schz Council Buckley Council Warner

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Council frer declare that

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carried councils we had no public for

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tonight we'll move on to our special

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reports

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and we'll open up the chief executive

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officer the first uh report is 24 SP

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010 public exibition of the draft

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operational plan 2024 2025 incorporating

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budget and fees and

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charges Council belch you're wishing to

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move happy to move thank you maded 

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Council short you're seconding that

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thank you very much you're wishing to

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speak on it Council uh yeah well MadAM

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may just to highlight some of the

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exciting things that are on the horizon

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for the uh great citizens of the western

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side of Lake mcari Madam Mayor 

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really excited around the development of

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the plan for a shared pathway between

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Freeman's drive and Morris set that is

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something that's been on the 

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community at Kur bong's mind for quite a

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some time and so really excited to see

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that and  go ahead also upgrades to

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Alliance Avenue and Y Road intersection

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 that's quite near the cedar mill

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development Madam Mayor and so there's

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a lot of community interest and and

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concern around traffic flows  in that

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area so to see some progress made on

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that intersection is fantastic as well

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obviously the Hunter Sports Center 

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completion very exciting fantastic bit

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of infrastructure that this city has

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been committed to delivering for our

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citizens the uh Toronto foreshore master

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plan Madam Mayor another great asset 

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for the citizens of Toronto  the

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bridge Replacements at

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Martinsville  critical infrastructure

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replacing old wooden bridges with brand

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new ones that would mean safe travel for

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our citizens and the  the proceeding

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of the moriset place strategy uh

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obviously a growth area for our city so

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good to see that  we are on the ball

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wi delivering a play strategy there so

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thank you Madam May thank you Council

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Bel Council Schulz uh thank you Madam

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Mayor and yeah just following on from

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what council beler said uh you know this

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is a $380 million budget $120 million of

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which is is capital so there's a lot to

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call out uh Council beler touched on

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many of the items I've got a few extras

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that he might have missed uh the

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playground upgrades at at wrath mines

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Park that includes a learn to ride uh so

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for little kids and their bicycles so

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we're also going to commence

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construction of a new skate park and BMX

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pp track in that area as well  I was

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out there at redhead when we opened the

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the the BMX pp track and you know it

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was phenomenal uh councelor Buckley was

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there as well just in terms of  you

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know that Community infrastructure and

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bringing everyone together so that'll be

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fantastic uh to to start that out at

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wrath mindes as well  new learn to

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swim pool uh for West West walls end I

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know councelor AdAM th has been

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chAMpioning that for well I've been on

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Council for 7 and a half years and uh I

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believe nearly monthly  uh yeah maybe

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six weekly uh he he's been talking about

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this pool so it's great to see that that

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is finally coming to fruition and 

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yeah it's it's his advocacy and  yeah

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it's just great to see so really looking

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forward to that one uh also the

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construction of the new East Lakes

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Community Recycling Center at Belmont

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North  you know at the moment you've

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got to go to the awaba  aaba Waste

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Management Facility  which provides a

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great service but that is a fair hike

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for people on the the Eastern side of

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the lake so this gives people an

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opportunity to to go to the new facility

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which will be constructed at Belmont

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North and it'll accept those problem

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wastes like your paint oils your gas

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bottles your batteries so really looking

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forward to uh this this next financial

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year and I think there's something in

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this budget for everyone so I commend it

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thank you thank you Council

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Schulz Council Pauling thank you Madam

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Mayor I I speak in favor of this going

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out on  exhibition that I have no

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issue with that part  that said and I

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I acknowledge the the many positive

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things that my fellow counselors have

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said  though I've been conflicted

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since I I flick through some of the

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brochures in terms of and it would be

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wrong I think for me to expect that I'd

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be 100% happy with everything that plays

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out uh and as is I suppose my want for

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 for what of a better word uh to play

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that other side a little bit uh first of

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all few questions for staff primarily in

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relation to fees and charges through you

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Madam May if I could I'm just

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confirming the storm water

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infrastructure fee is not not in the

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fees and charges I couldn't find it

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there just confirming it is not there

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for the coming year M

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CAMeron I'll get miss miss CAMeron

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to MadAM may I can confirm that's

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correct there is no fee in next year's

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fees and charges cool thank you uh

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second question  pp out fee for the

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council used to manage yeah it has been

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interesting I I think I couldn't find

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out mying is that has been removed in

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its entire ity but there may be an

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emergency fee that has been put in could

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I have confirmation about that M CAMeron

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Mr anff uh Mr ancliff Madam Mayor

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through you I can confirm yes the

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historic fee has been removed and a rep

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a replacement for emergency pp outs

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has been included Co thank you  I

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suppose I look for comment on on the

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next one Madam Mayor on page 42 of the

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hard copy docent leas I've got

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electric vehicle charging fees we still

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have electric vehicle charging fee AC

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charging of zero cost which continues to

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irk me like there's no tomorrow 

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particularly since  those charging at

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the DC station will be charged can I

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just have some commentary from staff in

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relation to that miss

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CAMeron M Mr Hughes Mr Hughes MadAM Mr

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Hughes  through you madAM Mayor

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council Pauling we've investigated it a

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nber of times over the previous years

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and the cost to actually

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charge is higher than what we would

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receive from charging at this point in

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time  however I'm prepared to go back

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and have a look at that and the answers

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that we've provided in previous years

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and provide those to

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you a followup question Madam May 

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the relevance of these charging stations

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particularly in the context of some of

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the the rollouts where we do have

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facilities to charge uh does that change

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that the status of these  the AC

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charging stations and what is their

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anticipated time life lifetime Mr Hughes

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 through you Madam Mayor uh Council

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Pauling the

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anticipated well the the growth of the

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technology technolog is changing all the

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time how that will change in the coming

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year and the coming years and the life

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cycles of the technology to enable

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charging charging of charging in a sense

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to be there I'm not sure of how that

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technolog is developing at this point in

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time but again I'll take that on notice

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and get that answer cool thank you

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Madam Mayor I suppose in relation to

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that that's the all my questions for the

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moment there are others but  for the

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most part  I voed my key frustrations

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in the fees and charges at least for the

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moment everything you've heard before 

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moving then to the draft operational

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plan and this is where I I become super

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conflicted cuz there is lots of good

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stuff in in here that there is no doubt

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about that  and as I currently chair

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the diverse economy uh portfolio uh I

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thought I'd focus on it and

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unfortunately when I look at the page 31

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in the docent labeled operational plan

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and budget 2024

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2025 there are lots of good things but I

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don't know that certainly how our

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portfolio functions and what I look for

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personally is well reflected at least

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for this portfolio

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 and for exAMple we start off strategy

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supporting in plans circular economy

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frAMework absolutely 100% destination

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management plan absolutely 100% Arts

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Heritage and cultural plan I don't know

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whether that one's in the right spot

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environmental sustainability strategy

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and action plan once again don't really

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know  and event and Festival strategy

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I can understand the economic piece but

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they seem like such minor factors of a

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city that has a

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enormous impact in terms of financial

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like we are a really big deal like

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Council on its own and the city across

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the board I think 25 billion GDP give or

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take happy to be corrected on that

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someone who's looked at those nbers

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more more recently very close  but but

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certainly big big nbers and some of

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these things although they're important

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I understand for those small operators

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these are a big deal on the wider scale

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I think we've got bigger fish to fry 

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and so there's that and then I just run

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through the measures of six uccess 

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City's Regional product is increasing

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absolutely 100% behind that City's

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employment growth matches Workforce

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growth 100% nber of visitors day trips

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and overnight once again 100% behind

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that one the nber of business involved

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in the circular economy in the hunter

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region is increasing once again I think

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that's an awesome thing I think we are

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leading the way in this concept of

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circular economy and diversifying what

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we have the nber of businesses in the

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city that employ one or more people is

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increasing once again one of our key

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strengths is the diversity of our small

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employers that's one thing that has

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always impressed me most about our city

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we have a very very large and

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disproportionate nber of

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entrepreneurial people uh who are taking

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this city forward satisfaction with new

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development that one's always tough but

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I think we are getting on on on top of

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that one Hunter region business

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confidence and sentiment is increasing

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yeah once again hopefully if

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everything's going well that would go as

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well the next one the nber of people

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living within a 10-minute bicycle

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catchment of economic centers is

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increasing I look at that and I go I I

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just don't get it I I don't remember

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that being discussed as a kpi previously

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certainly not at a diverse economy

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meeting or I missed it  and so there

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are some irks to be worked through this

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and in response to that mad may I

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encourage residents to have their say

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the key bit here is these docents are

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not perfect there's lots of fantastic

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stuff I agree in full maybe even 98% of

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it is fantastic but take the time have a

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look and if you've got an opinion by all

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means express it thank you Madam May

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thank you councel

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ping councelor Ed F uh yes thank you

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Madam May and uh I would also encourage

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all members of the community to look at

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the docent to analyze it to look at

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the things that are in there and put

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forward their opinions whether that be

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suggestions for changes or improvements

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or suggestions to encourage enourage the

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direction in which we're going and I

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suspect there's no one in this room who

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would be surprised with me wanting to

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speak tonight to uh mention the West

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walls in second pool which has been a

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longtime issue for the northwest of the

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city and uh I appreciate it being

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mentioned thank you councelor Schulz and

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I think it also highlights the

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importance of advocacy which is our role

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and

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persistence which uh is something that

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we need to hold on to with issues that

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are important to us and the uh exciting

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part of that is if we're looking forward

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to at some point in the near future

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opening the second pool at West walls

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end I can start being an advocate and be

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persistent with many other issues

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associated with the northwest of the

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city I think that uh this particular or

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these docents that going out for

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public consultation show that we are

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investing we are investing in the

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lifestyle of our city which is our

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greatest commodity and we are investing

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in our people which is an even more

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important commodity in line with

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lifestyle and also by looking at the

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playgrounds the pools the community

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centers cycle ways and many of the other

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things that are highlighted in this

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we're investing in young and we're

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investing in Old we're investing a cross

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our community to make sure that we will

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build an improved City for the future

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and whilst it's obvious that we would

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always like to do more and we would

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always like to work faster I think the

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important thing that this also shows is

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that we as a council know how to live

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within our means and create an

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expectation that is achievable into the

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long-term future because ultimately

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the people who vote for us are the

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people who were paying the bills for

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these things to happen so I would

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certainly encourage every member of the

00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:39.279
community to have a look at this and

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give us your comments the good and the

00:26:41.359 --> 00:26:43.519
bad don't just do the bad give us give

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us some positive as well as negative

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feedback so that we can make

00:26:46.640 --> 00:26:48.839
improvements but definitely have your

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say and I think that it creates a very

00:26:54.359 --> 00:26:56.599
good substantial view to the community

00:26:56.680 --> 00:26:59.359
that this Council would works well for

00:26:59.440 --> 00:27:02.559
them but particularly within our means

00:27:02.640 --> 00:27:05.640
to achieve what we would like to do even

00:27:05.720 --> 00:27:08.079
with our constant advocacy and

00:27:08.160 --> 00:27:10.240
persistence thank you Madam Mayor thank

00:27:10.319 --> 00:27:11.200
you Council

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AdAM  council's obviously obious

00:27:13.599 --> 00:27:15.599
supporting  putting this out on public

00:27:15.680 --> 00:27:17.880
exhibition I think placing the draft

00:27:17.960 --> 00:27:19.880
operational plan including the draft

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budget the fees and charges for 2024

00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:24.720
2025 on public exhibition is a

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significant milestone for council's

00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:28.720
contract with the community I think it

00:27:28.799 --> 00:27:30.240
was important Council Pauling talked

00:27:30.319 --> 00:27:32.279
about it council ad talked about us

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putting this AdAM public exhibition and

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wanting to hear from the community

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wanted to hear their input and their

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views on what we're placing out there

00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:41.559
the docents uh we are considering

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tonight are the result of significant

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counselor and staff input over the past

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6 months to deliver a plan which

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outlines 128 actions and a $380 million

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budgeted spend despite the challenging

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economic circstances currently

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impacting our sector the draft uh budget

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forecasts and operating surplus of

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$550,000 which we should be very proud

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of in our Focus areas of lifestyle and

00:28:07.519 --> 00:28:09.359
well-being and mobility and

00:28:09.440 --> 00:28:11.160
accessibility we have increased our

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spend by more than $20 million compared

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to four years ago and over the last four

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years we have invested in assets of $44

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million in community and sporting

00:28:22.359 --> 00:28:25.799
facilities $29 million in parks and

00:28:25.880 --> 00:28:29.519
playgrounds $39 million in foot paths

00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:31.640
sways and shared

00:28:31.720 --> 00:28:34.480
paths I had some highlights written down

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uh for our Capital works I know they've

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already been spoken of but I want to

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just restate them as well and I think

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one of the big ones for us is the Hunter

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Sports Center

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expansion unfortunately councilors I

00:28:46.759 --> 00:28:49.400
won't be the Mayor when that's opened

00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:50.799
another Mayor will have the pleasure of

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cutting the ribbon but that will be a

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very big announcement and a very big win

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for our residents of lake mcquire in the

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waterer region obviously a replacement

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of the Three Bridges of 

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Martinsville the East L community

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recycling center a new playround learn

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to ride a in youth Hub at wrath mes Park

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and a new learn to swim pool at West

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walls in Swim Center which is very much

00:29:13.079 --> 00:29:16.599
needed so uh this budget covers all

00:29:16.680 --> 00:29:18.720
areas evenly spread around our city

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which is fantastic so Council we're

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building on a thriving community and

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that is a centerpiece of this plan which

00:29:25.160 --> 00:29:27.359
aims to enhance you know our City's

00:29:27.440 --> 00:29:29.839
infrastructure environment well-being

00:29:29.920 --> 00:29:31.839
our economy our creativity and

00:29:31.920 --> 00:29:33.680
accessibility I'm looking forward to

00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:35.480
hearing our community's feedback as the

00:29:35.559 --> 00:29:37.359
draft plan goes on public

00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:40.319
exhibition so councils if there's no

00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:45.319
further  comments I'll put 24 SP 010

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public exhibition of the draft

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operational plan 2024 2025 incorporating

00:29:50.759 --> 00:29:52.880
budget and fees and charges moved by

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Council Baler second by Council Schulz

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and do that by sh hands all those in

00:29:56.400 --> 00:29:59.000
favor Council adAMw councelor anff

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councilor Conroy councel gri councel

00:30:01.160 --> 00:30:03.400
beler councelor Pauling councelor Bishop

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councelor Schulz councel Buckley

00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:06.799
councelor Warner counc frer declared

00:30:06.880 --> 00:30:10.279
that carried thank you

00:30:13.200 --> 00:30:17.720
counselors we'll open our next  item

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24011 risk appetite

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statement uh you're moving that Council

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app and you're seconding that Council

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Schulz thank you are you wishing to

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speak H Council

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Pauling Council Pauling yes thank you

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Madam Mayor uh I just I think this

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Council for for large part has operated

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on a risk-based strategy for quite some

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time and but I think there's an element

00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:49.359
of maturity that we're demonstrating

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here and that we're committing this to

00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:53.480
policy we're committing the frAMework

00:30:53.559 --> 00:30:55.400
and the principles that we will follow

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in our risk management and approach to

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risk in the decisions that we make into

00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:01.599
the future uh as in that regard it's for

00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:04.160
me it's almost like a that formalization

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and coming of age for behaviors that

00:31:06.440 --> 00:31:08.480
we've exhibited for some time and in my

00:31:08.559 --> 00:31:11.119
time on Council I've seen that change 

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at various times there's been greater

00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:15.119
appetite for risk or lesser appetite for

00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:18.079
risk depending how that may be  and

00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:19.240
when you read the docent it's quite

00:31:19.319 --> 00:31:21.519
simple quite quite simplistic in its

00:31:21.599 --> 00:31:24.200
statements but it makes it very clear

00:31:24.279 --> 00:31:26.519
that we will assess the situation on its

00:31:26.599 --> 00:31:28.559
merits we will take some inputs and

00:31:28.640 --> 00:31:30.559
we'll make a

00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:33.480
reasonable risk appropriate decision as

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an outcome uh and I think that's

00:31:35.240 --> 00:31:37.200
fantastic so accordingly I commend it to

00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:39.640
other counselors and uh I I thank staff

00:31:39.720 --> 00:31:41.240
for bringing this putting this together

00:31:41.319 --> 00:31:43.000
and putting it in front of us thank you

00:31:43.079 --> 00:31:45.759
Madam May thank you councilor Paulie I

00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:48.240
want to thank you for being on the audit

00:31:48.319 --> 00:31:50.599
risk and Improvement committee  so

00:31:50.680 --> 00:31:52.759
you've had a big hand in all of this and

00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:54.640
it's great to have you on that committee

00:31:54.720 --> 00:31:56.759
uh Council Schultz uh thank you Madam

00:31:56.839 --> 00:31:59.400
Mayor just wanted to speak briefly uh

00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:01.200
just acknowledging that the risk

00:32:01.279 --> 00:32:03.440
appetite statement sets the tone for

00:32:03.519 --> 00:32:05.799
risk management uh and implementation

00:32:05.880 --> 00:32:09.000
throughout Lake mcari City Council uh

00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:11.559
council's risk appetite is contained in

00:32:11.640 --> 00:32:13.880
the following principles so uh Council

00:32:13.960 --> 00:32:15.680
polling referred to them but I just

00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:17.440
wanted to call them out just so that

00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:20.000
everyone's Crystal Clear uh council is

00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:23.160
open to measured risk taking to pursue

00:32:23.240 --> 00:32:25.160
opportunities uh for the benefit of the

00:32:25.240 --> 00:32:27.319
community so you know risk isn't always

00:32:27.400 --> 00:32:30.000
good or bad uh it's on a Continu and

00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:33.680
we need to identify risk uh that we can

00:32:33.759 --> 00:32:36.400
engage with and and you know make it our

00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:39.599
own however counsil council is

00:32:39.680 --> 00:32:41.839
conservative in managing its financial

00:32:41.920 --> 00:32:44.319
position uh to ensure long-term

00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:47.799
Financial sustainability uh council is

00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:51.279
open to exploring Innovative activities

00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:55.240
absolutely uh council is conservative in

00:32:55.319 --> 00:32:57.839
protecting the information that we have

00:32:57.920 --> 00:33:00.759
have uh that goes it's a it's a

00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:03.880
no-brainer uh and Council has no

00:33:03.960 --> 00:33:06.839
appetite no appetite whatsoever for

00:33:06.920 --> 00:33:09.680
behaviors about serious wrongdoing such

00:33:09.759 --> 00:33:13.240
as fraud corruption or unsafe activities

00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:15.960
so I think in terms of this risk

00:33:16.039 --> 00:33:18.799
appetite statement it encapsulates the

00:33:18.880 --> 00:33:21.920
good risk the bad risk and how we look

00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:24.720
as a council to navigate through this

00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:26.400
and make sure that we deliver for our

00:33:26.480 --> 00:33:30.000
community thank you thank you councelor

00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:32.920
Schulz councelor adite uh yes thank you

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Madam May uh very briefly uh because uh

00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:37.799
councelor Paulie and councelor schz have

00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:40.039
covered this topic really quite well I

00:33:40.119 --> 00:33:41.440
think it's important that people are

00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:44.079
aware that whilst they do see the

00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:46.400
results of our operational plans they do

00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:48.359
see the things we build the things we

00:33:48.440 --> 00:33:50.759
repair they don't necessarily see or

00:33:50.839 --> 00:33:53.680
take particular notice to docents such

00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:57.920
as this and it is like the foundation of

00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:00.559
the way in which the council operates by

00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:04.759
having a risk statement and that risk

00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:07.759
statement ensures that the structures

00:34:07.839 --> 00:34:10.679
and the processes and the probity of the

00:34:10.760 --> 00:34:13.119
council are being considered all of the

00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:15.880
time to make sure that we are a council

00:34:15.960 --> 00:34:20.719
that takes reasonable risk and takes

00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:23.320
decisions that are going to ensure that

00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:26.320
we are not at risk and I would encourage

00:34:26.400 --> 00:34:27.960
everyone to support this docent MadAM

00:34:28.039 --> 00:34:29.039
May thank

00:34:29.119 --> 00:34:32.559
you councel

00:34:36.360 --> 00:34:39.079
Greg there you go thank you Madam Mayor

00:34:39.159 --> 00:34:41.599
yes I'm I'm uh I'm proud of this Council

00:34:41.679 --> 00:34:43.639
and the way we've been bold and taken

00:34:43.719 --> 00:34:47.079
risks  not not bad risk but that's how

00:34:47.159 --> 00:34:49.360
we got Costco  black

00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:51.599
rock all of those things you know and

00:34:51.679 --> 00:34:53.840
the this this city just keeps going

00:34:53.920 --> 00:34:55.840
forward and I'm proud of that I'm proud

00:34:55.920 --> 00:34:57.840
of the people who work here I'm proud PR

00:34:57.920 --> 00:35:01.159
of the plans that we make and uh I I'm

00:35:01.239 --> 00:35:03.559
I'm proud of our CEO too who who leads

00:35:03.639 --> 00:35:05.360
us in a lot of these things and and I

00:35:05.440 --> 00:35:08.119
thank her for her contribution two

00:35:08.199 --> 00:35:10.119
things Madam may as I close uh very

00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:12.880
quickly uh fortune favors the bold and

00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:14.960
uh for it t us to make progress it must

00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:18.000
must stick its neck out thank

00:35:18.079 --> 00:35:22.199
you well said Council Greg if there's no

00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:27.199
further speakers I'll put 24 SP 011 risk

00:35:27.280 --> 00:35:29.599
app H statement moved by councelor

00:35:29.679 --> 00:35:31.199
Pauling second by Council Schulz I do

00:35:31.280 --> 00:35:33.039
that by sharp hands all those in favor

00:35:33.119 --> 00:35:35.599
Council Aden Council ancliff Council

00:35:35.679 --> 00:35:38.039
Conroy Council grig Council Bela

00:35:38.119 --> 00:35:40.239
councelor paing councilor Bishop

00:35:40.320 --> 00:35:42.400
councelor Schulz Council Buckley

00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:44.079
councelor Warner councilor FR declared

00:35:44.159 --> 00:35:47.079
that Carri thank you

00:35:48.719 --> 00:35:50.960
councilors councilors will now open up

00:35:51.039 --> 00:35:53.519
the deputy CEO we have two reports the

00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:55.960
first one is 24

00:35:56.039 --> 00:36:00.280
sp012 review of investment

00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:02.360
policy councelor Bishop you're moving

00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:04.719
that thank you very much Council Buckley

00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:07.559
you're seconding that thank

00:36:07.639 --> 00:36:12.239
you if there's no speakers I'll put 24

00:36:12.320 --> 00:36:15.480
sp012 review of investment policy moved

00:36:15.559 --> 00:36:17.239
by councelor Bishop second by Council

00:36:17.320 --> 00:36:18.599
Buckley I do that by sharp hands all

00:36:18.679 --> 00:36:21.519
those in favor councel AdAM councel anff

00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:23.400
councelor Conroy councelor grig

00:36:23.480 --> 00:36:25.159
councelor Bela councelor Pauling

00:36:25.239 --> 00:36:27.800
councelor Bishop councelor Schulz counc

00:36:27.880 --> 00:36:29.559
Council Warner Council FR decare that

00:36:29.639 --> 00:36:31.880
carried thank

00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:35.039
you open our next uh matter on a deputy

00:36:35.119 --> 00:36:37.599
CER 24

00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:42.639
sp013 investment report February

00:36:43.960 --> 00:36:46.239
2024 uh Council beler thank you very

00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:48.360
much you have a second Council Warner

00:36:48.440 --> 00:36:49.920
thank

00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:53.159
you if no one's wishing to speak I'll

00:36:53.239 --> 00:36:55.079
I'll put 24

00:36:55.159 --> 00:36:57.920
sp013 moved by Council Bel second by

00:36:58.000 --> 00:36:59.400
Council Warner all those in favor the

00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:02.519
show of hands Council Aden Council anff

00:37:02.599 --> 00:37:04.800
Council Conroy Council grig Council Bel

00:37:04.880 --> 00:37:06.719
Council paing Council Bishop Council

00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:08.679
Schulz Council Buckley Council Warner

00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:11.719
Council Bri declared that

00:37:11.800 --> 00:37:14.559
carried we now move on to director of

00:37:14.639 --> 00:37:16.280
development planning and regulation we

00:37:16.360 --> 00:37:19.679
just have one item in here counselors 24

00:37:19.760 --> 00:37:24.280
SP 014 Whitebridge 102 bwood Road

00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:26.280
alterations and additions to existing

00:37:26.360 --> 00:37:28.199
dwelling house

00:37:28.280 --> 00:37:29.199
your

00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:32.159
wish you're moving as the recommendation

00:37:32.239 --> 00:37:34.159
as printed thank you very much counc ad

00:37:34.239 --> 00:37:38.599
do I have a second Council Pauling thank

00:37:38.679 --> 00:37:41.639
you if no one's wishing to speak I'll

00:37:41.719 --> 00:37:46.159
put uh 24sp 014 Whitebridge 102 bwood

00:37:46.239 --> 00:37:48.239
Road alterations and additions to

00:37:48.320 --> 00:37:50.440
existing dwelling house moved by Council

00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:52.920
Aden second by Council Paul I do that by

00:37:53.000 --> 00:37:55.679
sh hands all those in favor Council Aden

00:37:55.760 --> 00:37:57.800
councel ancliff Council Conroy councelor

00:37:57.880 --> 00:38:00.000
grig councilor Bel councelor Pauling

00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:01.760
councelor Bishop councelor Schulz

00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:03.159
councelor Bley councelor Warner

00:38:03.239 --> 00:38:06.440
councelor frer declared that

00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:12.079
carried  councils we'll move on to

00:38:12.159 --> 00:38:14.440
director of organizational Services we

00:38:14.519 --> 00:38:17.400
just have the one matter here which is

00:38:17.480 --> 00:38:19.079
24sp

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019 uh W house revitalization project

00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:24.920
Council as I note that this report

00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:27.960
contains a confidential attachment if

00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:29.880
councilors wish to speak on any matter

00:38:29.960 --> 00:38:31.800
contained within that attachment we will

00:38:31.880 --> 00:38:33.800
need to close the meeting in accordance

00:38:33.880 --> 00:38:36.639
with Section 10A 2C of the Local

00:38:36.719 --> 00:38:39.920
Government Act 1993 and Clause 101c of

00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:43.079
council's code of meeting practice 

00:38:43.159 --> 00:38:46.039
Council Bel you're wishing to M Mayor

00:38:46.119 --> 00:38:48.440
just to put in a procedural motion to

00:38:48.519 --> 00:38:51.039
move this item towards the to the end of

00:38:51.119 --> 00:38:54.639
tonight's agenda  just for ease of

00:38:54.719 --> 00:38:56.719
working through both the confidential

00:38:56.800 --> 00:39:00.320
items later on this evening yeah so 

00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:02.159
council's Council Bel has moved a

00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:04.760
procedual motion to move the item to the

00:39:04.840 --> 00:39:07.960
end of the agenda uh for counselors who

00:39:08.039 --> 00:39:09.360
have questions and keep in mind

00:39:09.440 --> 00:39:11.079
councilors we do have another

00:39:11.159 --> 00:39:12.400
confidential matter that we'll be

00:39:12.480 --> 00:39:14.880
dealing with at the end of the business

00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:16.320
 at the end before the end of the

00:39:16.400 --> 00:39:19.400
meeting so council's  Council belter

00:39:19.480 --> 00:39:21.559
has moved withal motion  procedural

00:39:21.639 --> 00:39:24.079
motion do I have a seconder council

00:39:24.159 --> 00:39:26.119
shortz thank you I'll put that all those

00:39:26.199 --> 00:39:29.199
in favor Council B Council ankle Council

00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:31.039
Conroy Council Greek Council Belia

00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:32.960
Council paing Council Bishop Council

00:39:33.039 --> 00:39:35.079
schz Council Buckley Council Warner

00:39:35.159 --> 00:39:37.360
counc Fraser thank you counselors so

00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:38.920
we'll be now moving director of

00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:41.559
organizational Services the in relation

00:39:41.639 --> 00:39:43.639
to wobber house revitalization that will

00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:46.679
appear in the end of our uh the other

00:39:46.760 --> 00:39:48.480
confidential matter that we were dealing

00:39:48.559 --> 00:39:49.559
with

00:39:49.639 --> 00:39:52.360
counselors so

00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:55.239
 we'll move on to director of built

00:39:55.320 --> 00:39:58.239
and natural assets we just have one

00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:01.920
matter in here counselors 24

00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:03.960
sp015 adoption of the draft plan of

00:40:04.039 --> 00:40:07.119
management for Community

00:40:08.840 --> 00:40:11.079
Land uh councelor belt you're moving

00:40:11.159 --> 00:40:13.159
that council ad you want to second that

00:40:13.239 --> 00:40:14.719
thank

00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:18.920
you if no one's wishing to speak I'll

00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:21.000
put uh 24

00:40:21.079 --> 00:40:23.119
sp015 adoption of the draft plan of

00:40:23.199 --> 00:40:25.880
measurement for Community Land moved by

00:40:25.960 --> 00:40:28.039
Council Belia second by councel AdAM

00:40:28.119 --> 00:40:29.519
I'll do that by sh of hands all those in

00:40:29.599 --> 00:40:32.360
favor Council Aden councelor anli

00:40:32.440 --> 00:40:34.199
councelor Conroy councelor Greek

00:40:34.280 --> 00:40:36.239
councelor Bela councel Pauling Council

00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:38.719
Bishop Council Schulz councel Buckley

00:40:38.800 --> 00:40:40.519
councilor Warner councelor fra declared

00:40:40.599 --> 00:40:44.480
that carried thank you

00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:48.360
counselors we'll now move into the

00:40:48.440 --> 00:40:51.320
reports of the recommendation Committee

00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:54.880
just the one counselors 24 SP 016

00:40:54.960 --> 00:40:56.119
recommendations of the traffic

00:40:56.199 --> 00:40:59.840
facilities and Road saf committee March

00:40:59.920 --> 00:41:02.599
2024 Council AdAM you chair that you're

00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:04.920
happy to move that do I have a seconder

00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:08.320
council Greg thank you very

00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:10.920
much appears to be pretty

00:41:11.000 --> 00:41:12.920
straightforward if there's no speakers

00:41:13.000 --> 00:41:16.880
I'll put 24 SP 016 recommendations of

00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:18.440
the traffic facilities and Road Safety

00:41:18.519 --> 00:41:21.440
Committee March 2024 being moved by

00:41:21.519 --> 00:41:23.840
Council Aden SE by Council gri and I'll

00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:25.519
put that all that in favor by sh of

00:41:25.599 --> 00:41:28.519
hands Council AdAM white councelor anff

00:41:28.599 --> 00:41:30.800
Council Conroy councelor gree Council

00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:33.199
Bela councelor Pauling Council Bishop

00:41:33.280 --> 00:41:35.199
Council Schulz Council Buckley councel

00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:37.639
Warner councelor Fraser cleared that

00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:39.519
carried thank you

00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:42.599
counselors inspection reports a

00:41:42.679 --> 00:41:46.280
nil councilors we do have uh matters

00:41:46.360 --> 00:41:50.039
matters referred we do have one I'll 

00:41:50.119 --> 00:41:54.440
we have 24 SP 017 outcomes of public

00:41:54.519 --> 00:41:56.360
exhibition planning proposal and

00:41:56.440 --> 00:41:58.079
development control plan changes for

00:41:58.159 --> 00:42:01.280
infill Housing Council AdAM uh you're

00:42:01.360 --> 00:42:03.400
wishing to move uh I would like to move

00:42:03.480 --> 00:42:06.039
the replacement motion Madam

00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:09.280
Mayor  the AMended motion AMending the

00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:11.719
motion that is printed and there should

00:42:11.800 --> 00:42:15.199
be a copy of those changes there we go

00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:17.639
and the red is the change so there's no

00:42:17.719 --> 00:42:22.599
change to a in B it adds subject to the

00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:25.719
land south of Main Road and North of

00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:27.800
Brush Creek between Thomas Street

00:42:27.880 --> 00:42:30.360
Edgeworth and Frederick Street Glendale

00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:34.000
be excluded C Remains the SAMe and D

00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:36.360
Remains the SAMe Madam may do we have a

00:42:36.440 --> 00:42:39.400
second uh Council Pauling thank you

00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:41.920
Council AdAM in moving that do you wish

00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:44.079
to speak uh just very briefly Madam

00:42:44.159 --> 00:42:46.480
Mayor  we have gone through the

00:42:46.559 --> 00:42:49.199
process of  putting this out to the

00:42:49.280 --> 00:42:52.760
community there have been parts of this

00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:54.320
particular docent that have been

00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:57.480
slightly changed there was one at

00:42:57.559 --> 00:42:59.440
Valentine and this is a similar

00:42:59.519 --> 00:43:01.880
situation at Edgeworth where I believe

00:43:01.960 --> 00:43:05.360
that  it it is complex in terms of the

00:43:05.440 --> 00:43:07.639
locality with what we're proposing this

00:43:07.719 --> 00:43:09.280
doesn't mean that in future we can't

00:43:09.360 --> 00:43:11.639
revisit rezoning land and look at some

00:43:11.719 --> 00:43:14.039
of the issues but uh I think this is

00:43:14.119 --> 00:43:16.280
probably a prudent way to move forward

00:43:16.360 --> 00:43:19.199
recently we had uh an item come up to us

00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:22.119
and uh one of the councilors suggested

00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:25.239
that we had reson something and that's

00:43:25.320 --> 00:43:28.320
why the building was is permissible and

00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:30.239
if we didn't like it we shouldn't do it

00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:31.320
I feel this is one of those

00:43:31.400 --> 00:43:33.599
circstances in which at this point in

00:43:33.679 --> 00:43:35.679
time I don't feel comfortable with it

00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:37.400
and it would be best to leave it out at

00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:41.000
this point Madam Mayor thank

00:43:41.079 --> 00:43:43.679
you uh Council Schulz uh thank you

00:43:43.760 --> 00:43:45.960
Madam Mayor I speak in support of the

00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:48.559
AMended motion I just wanted to follow

00:43:48.639 --> 00:43:51.440
on from Council AdAM th noting that uh

00:43:51.519 --> 00:43:54.000
you know this has been uh in train for a

00:43:54.079 --> 00:43:55.960
nber of years it's strategic Urban

00:43:56.039 --> 00:44:00.079
infill uh consultation was extensive uh

00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:03.159
Council wrote to more than 9,000

00:44:03.239 --> 00:44:05.159
property owners and affected ad joining

00:44:05.239 --> 00:44:08.039
owners uh there were 300 responses or

00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:10.559
submissions that cAMe back 

00:44:10.639 --> 00:44:13.400
adjustments were made this is a nuanced

00:44:13.480 --> 00:44:17.239
uh approach  in terms of the AMended

00:44:17.320 --> 00:44:20.440
emotion uh you know based on feedback

00:44:20.519 --> 00:44:23.639
that councel Aden has received we're

00:44:23.719 --> 00:44:27.079
able to adjust things so  in terms of

00:44:27.159 --> 00:44:30.480
this proposal it's in close proximity to

00:44:30.559 --> 00:44:33.880
T Town centers and existing Services uh

00:44:33.960 --> 00:44:37.079
we have an aging population uh this has

00:44:37.159 --> 00:44:38.920
the potential to allow people to

00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:42.000
downsize and stay in their suburb in the

00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:43.840
locality and close to their their

00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:46.960
friends as I said the the proposals are

00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:49.360
quite modest and they're consistent

00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:51.880
consistent with council's adopted

00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:55.199
housing strategy  with this infill

00:44:55.280 --> 00:44:57.719
proposal it can effectively

00:44:57.800 --> 00:44:59.920
take place in the next few months and it

00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:02.559
it demonstrates a proactive approach

00:45:02.639 --> 00:45:05.039
from this Council in terms of

00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:07.920
improvements in in housing Supply and

00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:10.960
diversity across the city at a time of

00:45:11.039 --> 00:45:13.920
of high need with the the housing crisis

00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:15.920
that Australia and particularly here in

00:45:16.000 --> 00:45:17.599
New South Wales that we're

00:45:17.679 --> 00:45:20.440
experiencing  at the moment as I

00:45:20.519 --> 00:45:23.280
understand it in Lake mcquary uh we need

00:45:23.360 --> 00:45:27.000
more diversity of housing 85% of our

00:45:27.079 --> 00:45:28.760
houses here are single detached

00:45:28.840 --> 00:45:31.159
dwellings this should improve our

00:45:31.239 --> 00:45:34.440
livability and lifestyle for residents

00:45:34.519 --> 00:45:37.920
 also just in terms of uh it it

00:45:38.000 --> 00:45:39.760
potentially reduces the

00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:44.320
need uh for additional Green Field Green

00:45:44.400 --> 00:45:47.280
Field development so it reduces the need

00:45:47.360 --> 00:45:50.239
for you know clearing of bush land we

00:45:50.320 --> 00:45:52.760
have native vegetation targets here in

00:45:52.840 --> 00:45:55.519
Lake mcari I think in the vicinity of

00:45:55.599 --> 00:46:00.559
about 5 7 57 a half% that we uh aim to

00:46:00.639 --> 00:46:02.800
achieve to maintain our our native

00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:05.039
vegetation and of course in a growing

00:46:05.119 --> 00:46:08.639
city there will always be some level of

00:46:08.719 --> 00:46:12.199
urban sprawl if you like but strategies

00:46:12.280 --> 00:46:16.719
like this  minimize the need uh for

00:46:16.800 --> 00:46:19.360
that in in the most part so I commend

00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:21.480
the recommendation and I thinkk Council

00:46:21.559 --> 00:46:24.840
AdAM th for for making a nuanced uh

00:46:24.920 --> 00:46:27.599
logical uh adjustment to the this

00:46:27.679 --> 00:46:30.039
proposal thank

00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:32.519
you councelor Pauling thank you Madam

00:46:32.599 --> 00:46:34.559
May  I don't have many positives to

00:46:34.639 --> 00:46:36.000
add I think councelor Schulz did an

00:46:36.079 --> 00:46:37.960
excellent job in that regard so I'm

00:46:38.039 --> 00:46:40.320
cudos to him uh the reason that that I

00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:43.440
want to speak though is for my mind this

00:46:43.519 --> 00:46:45.400
concept has been a long time coming 

00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:46.719
the infield is something that

00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:48.480
traditionally we haven't done as well as

00:46:48.559 --> 00:46:50.920
we could and certainly there is

00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:53.239
opportunity for our our community nodes

00:46:53.320 --> 00:46:56.079
our transport nodes  there is lots of

00:46:56.159 --> 00:46:58.679
opportunity here and for me the

00:46:58.760 --> 00:47:00.000
compromise that that's been brought

00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:01.760
forward this evening happen to Second it

00:47:01.840 --> 00:47:04.000
 it's less a consideration to me but

00:47:04.079 --> 00:47:08.119
it seems in the interest of councilor

00:47:08.199 --> 00:47:09.760
Harmony and if that gets this

00:47:09.840 --> 00:47:12.000
unanimously supported for me that's a

00:47:12.079 --> 00:47:14.280
very very small price to pay Merit or

00:47:14.360 --> 00:47:17.760
not because there is so much substance

00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:19.480
in the main body of the docent there

00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:22.400
are so many Fantastic things that really

00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:24.239
starts to shape the way that our city

00:47:24.320 --> 00:47:27.000
will look where our citizens will will

00:47:27.079 --> 00:47:29.719
live how they'll get around  and it's

00:47:29.800 --> 00:47:32.800
it's as I said there is just so much

00:47:32.880 --> 00:47:35.320
substance in the main body that a couple

00:47:35.400 --> 00:47:36.719
of streets here and there that we can

00:47:36.800 --> 00:47:38.599
always revisit later as has been

00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:40.639
highlighted seems a very very small

00:47:40.719 --> 00:47:42.599
price to pay if that gets us all on the

00:47:42.679 --> 00:47:44.159
sAMe page and that's why I'm

00:47:44.239 --> 00:47:45.960
wholeheartedly supporting this thank you

00:47:46.039 --> 00:47:48.599
Madam May thank you councilor

00:47:48.679 --> 00:47:54.000
Pauling councilor Greg thank you m

00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:58.840
May that's right

00:47:59.239 --> 00:48:01.199
thank you madAM Mayor

00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:04.280
 I note in this submission there's

00:48:04.360 --> 00:48:07.679
304 uh respondents to the proposal and

00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:12.360
that 241 opposed this  those who are

00:48:12.440 --> 00:48:14.960
for this proposal are only 14 which is

00:48:15.039 --> 00:48:18.840
4.6% of the responders against 241 which

00:48:18.920 --> 00:48:21.239
is 79% of the

00:48:21.320 --> 00:48:23.159
responders MadAM Mayor I'll stay right

00:48:23.239 --> 00:48:24.679
up front that I'm not against

00:48:24.760 --> 00:48:27.119
immigration I'm not against uh Mr ha's

00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:29.800
recommendation here but when taking such

00:48:29.880 --> 00:48:31.800
high nbers of immigrants with which

00:48:31.880 --> 00:48:34.840
the country cannot cope makes it an

00:48:34.920 --> 00:48:37.599
exception the uh the proposal refers to

00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:39.719
the housing crisis that we have and I

00:48:39.800 --> 00:48:41.119
think it's something that desperately

00:48:41.199 --> 00:48:43.440
needs addressing so my question Madam

00:48:43.519 --> 00:48:44.960
Mayor on this proposal is what is our

00:48:45.039 --> 00:48:46.960
government's obsession with

00:48:47.039 --> 00:48:49.400
immigration why is immigration so urgent

00:48:49.480 --> 00:48:50.920
for us especially when we haven't got

00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:52.760
the means or enough affordable housing

00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:54.920
for our very own population right now

00:48:55.000 --> 00:48:57.719
councelor Greg  I I understand where

00:48:57.800 --> 00:48:59.800
you're coming from this is uh this is a

00:48:59.880 --> 00:49:01.400
docent that we've been working on for

00:49:01.480 --> 00:49:03.239
a nber of years and it's dealing with

00:49:03.320 --> 00:49:05.519
infill housing which is we have the

00:49:05.599 --> 00:49:07.800
urban sprawl in our city so we're just

00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:10.039
trying to  keep more density around

00:49:10.119 --> 00:49:13.920
our town centers  it has no relevance

00:49:14.000 --> 00:49:16.440
as far as I'm aware to immigration or

00:49:16.519 --> 00:49:18.719
probably public  or government

00:49:18.800 --> 00:49:21.320
proposal it's about us trying to build a

00:49:21.400 --> 00:49:24.199
city that everyone can be part of and if

00:49:24.280 --> 00:49:26.639
you want to downsize and live near the

00:49:26.719 --> 00:49:28.480
Services that's what we're trying to do

00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:30.719
here mad may I appreciate that I'm I'm

00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:33.519
not against this proposal on its own I'm

00:49:33.599 --> 00:49:36.199
just concerned very concerned about the

00:49:36.280 --> 00:49:39.400
population increase in the future and in

00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:42.599
January alone we had 55,000 people new

00:49:42.679 --> 00:49:44.360
immigrants in this country and I don't

00:49:44.440 --> 00:49:45.880
know where they're going to go because

00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:47.320
on average we'd probably need about

00:49:47.400 --> 00:49:50.239
20,000 houses to house those people with

00:49:50.320 --> 00:49:53.760
housing rate so low tencies uh vacancies

00:49:53.840 --> 00:49:56.960
in for tenants so low I just know how

00:49:57.039 --> 00:49:58.159
we're going to cope with it MadAM Mar

00:49:58.239 --> 00:49:59.920
it's becoming a real concern to me so

00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:02.280
I'm prepared to leave it at that but 

00:50:02.360 --> 00:50:04.239
for that reason I won't I won't be

00:50:04.320 --> 00:50:06.679
voting for this MadAM Mayor yeah thank

00:50:06.760 --> 00:50:08.239
you I thank you councilor green you're

00:50:08.320 --> 00:50:10.199
exactly right we do have a housing

00:50:10.280 --> 00:50:11.840
crisis and it's important that everyone

00:50:11.920 --> 00:50:14.599
has a roof over their head and and  I

00:50:14.679 --> 00:50:15.880
think this is one of the reasons why

00:50:15.960 --> 00:50:18.280
we're trying to  do our bit here in

00:50:18.360 --> 00:50:20.480
Lake mcari so thank you councelor AdAM

00:50:20.559 --> 00:50:22.840
th uh yes thank you Madam May I'm

00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:24.840
assing that I'm closing the debate as

00:50:24.920 --> 00:50:27.480
the reply if that's

00:50:27.559 --> 00:50:29.360
uh yes you can do that I was going to

00:50:29.440 --> 00:50:30.760
speak but I'll let you continue with

00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:32.599
debate it for some time so I'll let you

00:50:32.679 --> 00:50:36.320
close  I first of all discuss the

00:50:36.400 --> 00:50:39.239
AMended part of this but  I'd like to

00:50:39.320 --> 00:50:40.559
s up some of the things that have been

00:50:40.639 --> 00:50:42.920
mentioned uh tonight because there's

00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:45.920
been some very worthwhile contributions

00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:47.480
that we've received from some of our

00:50:47.559 --> 00:50:49.920
counselors I think  when we're looking

00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:52.119
at the nber of people that actually

00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:54.320
responded and the nbers that were

00:50:54.400 --> 00:50:56.679
opposed to things it's a much more

00:50:56.760 --> 00:50:59.320
nuanced approach to looking at those

00:50:59.400 --> 00:51:02.639
responses to see that a nber of people

00:51:02.719 --> 00:51:06.239
have had their  responses or requests

00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:08.639
for changes including tonight with the

00:51:08.719 --> 00:51:11.559
Edgeworth situation addressed  I think

00:51:11.639 --> 00:51:13.760
that it's important as has been

00:51:13.840 --> 00:51:16.119
mentioned that we need to realize that

00:51:16.199 --> 00:51:20.039
in a city as big and as diverse as ours

00:51:20.119 --> 00:51:23.119
we need to provide people with a variety

00:51:23.199 --> 00:51:24.559
of housing

00:51:24.639 --> 00:51:27.480
choices different types of housing in

00:51:27.559 --> 00:51:28.440
different

00:51:28.519 --> 00:51:31.440
locations we need to make sure that we

00:51:31.519 --> 00:51:33.760
maximize the resources we have in terms

00:51:33.840 --> 00:51:34.559
of

00:51:34.639 --> 00:51:37.960
infrastructure and Community Resources

00:51:38.039 --> 00:51:41.559
where more people live so that we can

00:51:41.639 --> 00:51:44.480
infill in some of those locations to

00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:47.440
maximize the quality of life and the

00:51:47.519 --> 00:51:50.760
resources and Facilities we have while

00:51:50.840 --> 00:51:54.440
the bonus is at the sAMe time we need to

00:51:54.519 --> 00:51:57.920
have less green fill less stripping our

00:51:58.000 --> 00:52:01.519
land of trees native animals vegetation

00:52:01.599 --> 00:52:04.559
and we preserve more of our city in the

00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:07.079
lifestyle that attracted people in the

00:52:07.159 --> 00:52:11.079
first place so this this possibly and

00:52:11.159 --> 00:52:13.039
I've mentioned it a nber of times over

00:52:13.119 --> 00:52:16.320
the years is again one of my advocacies

00:52:16.400 --> 00:52:18.960
and one of my persistence issues that

00:52:19.039 --> 00:52:22.800
infill is important to our city we need

00:52:22.880 --> 00:52:24.880
to make sure that there are housing

00:52:24.960 --> 00:52:28.360
stocks for young people starting out and

00:52:28.440 --> 00:52:31.880
older people settling in we need to make

00:52:31.960 --> 00:52:35.639
sure that we can fill in those locations

00:52:35.719 --> 00:52:38.000
around the city and it's taken a nber

00:52:38.079 --> 00:52:40.280
of years to get us to this point which

00:52:40.360 --> 00:52:42.400
sort of highlights the issue that we're

00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:44.800
been ahead of the pack it's now the main

00:52:44.880 --> 00:52:47.039
discussion point in state government and

00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:49.239
other local councils but we've been

00:52:49.320 --> 00:52:51.559
talking about this for a nber of years

00:52:51.639 --> 00:52:54.400
but not only talking we've been engaging

00:52:54.480 --> 00:52:56.760
the community we've created this

00:52:56.840 --> 00:52:59.199
docent we've workshopped it we've

00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:00.960
improved it we've brought it to this

00:53:01.039 --> 00:53:03.239
point where we actually have a finished

00:53:03.320 --> 00:53:05.239
product to move forward and I would

00:53:05.320 --> 00:53:07.679
encourage everybody to support this

00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:09.880
docent and again congratulate the

00:53:09.960 --> 00:53:13.599
staff for their persistence and advocacy

00:53:13.679 --> 00:53:15.559
in getting us to this point Thank You

00:53:15.639 --> 00:53:17.159
Madam Mayor thank you counc ad and that

00:53:17.239 --> 00:53:20.239
has now closed the debate I will now put

00:53:20.320 --> 00:53:22.960
 24 SP

00:53:23.039 --> 00:53:25.440
017 outcomes of public exhibition

00:53:25.519 --> 00:53:27.239
planning proposal development control

00:53:27.320 --> 00:53:30.119
plan changes for infi housing moved by

00:53:30.199 --> 00:53:32.519
councelor Aden second by Council ping I

00:53:32.599 --> 00:53:34.280
did that by sh of hands all those in

00:53:34.360 --> 00:53:37.280
favor councelor Aden councelor anli

00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:39.480
councilor Conroy councilor beler

00:53:39.559 --> 00:53:41.719
councelor Pauling councelor Bishop

00:53:41.800 --> 00:53:43.559
councelor Schultz councelor Buckley

00:53:43.639 --> 00:53:45.280
councelor Warner councelor Fraser

00:53:45.360 --> 00:53:47.639
against councilor agree I declare that

00:53:47.719 --> 00:53:50.119
carrier thank you

00:53:50.199 --> 00:53:52.920
councilors tenders reports

00:53:53.000 --> 00:53:55.559
Neil I have a notice of motion I'll move

00:53:55.639 --> 00:53:57.239
on to notice of motion just have the one

00:53:57.320 --> 00:53:59.840
counselors 24nm

00:53:59.920 --> 00:54:02.719
002 New South W state government infield

00:54:02.800 --> 00:54:04.599
development near existing train stations

00:54:04.679 --> 00:54:08.440
in Lake mcari  councelor Schultz

00:54:08.519 --> 00:54:11.360
you're moving that with the deputy Mayor

00:54:11.440 --> 00:54:15.360
 councel Bishop also Council beler I

00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:18.239
wishing to move move the notice of

00:54:18.320 --> 00:54:20.679
motion yes as printed I won't ask you to

00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:22.960
read it it's quite long do I have a

00:54:23.039 --> 00:54:24.320
second I'm assing the deputy Mayor

00:54:24.400 --> 00:54:26.840
will want to second that Council B thank

00:54:26.920 --> 00:54:29.119
you you're wishing to speak Council

00:54:29.199 --> 00:54:32.480
Schultz surprise surprise

00:54:32.760 --> 00:54:36.199
yes uh I just want to first of all uh

00:54:36.280 --> 00:54:39.320
acknowledge and thank uh Wes Hayne I

00:54:39.400 --> 00:54:42.039
worked closely with Wes and also my

00:54:42.119 --> 00:54:44.760
co-authors councelor melon Bishop our

00:54:44.840 --> 00:54:47.280
our Deputy Mayor and councelor David Bel

00:54:47.360 --> 00:54:50.519
over an extended period so thank you 

00:54:50.599 --> 00:54:52.880
also just want to preface my remarks and

00:54:52.960 --> 00:54:54.559
acknowledge the efforts of the new South

00:54:54.639 --> 00:54:56.360
wal state government to address the

00:54:56.440 --> 00:54:59.440
housing crisis and acknowledge that late

00:54:59.519 --> 00:55:01.480
mcquarry needs to play its part and we

00:55:01.559 --> 00:55:03.840
intend to do so  so I've kind of

00:55:03.920 --> 00:55:06.559
broken this up into into three pieces so

00:55:06.639 --> 00:55:09.199
what is it uh the new southwales state

00:55:09.280 --> 00:55:10.679
government have announced two

00:55:10.760 --> 00:55:12.920
significant infill housing policy

00:55:13.000 --> 00:55:15.119
changes that impact late

00:55:15.199 --> 00:55:17.639
mcquarry the first one is the transit

00:55:17.719 --> 00:55:20.800
orientated development or Todd seep and

00:55:20.880 --> 00:55:22.480
the second one is the lowrise and

00:55:22.559 --> 00:55:26.519
midrise housing reforms the Todd SE is

00:55:26.599 --> 00:55:30.159
set to come into effect in April 2024 so

00:55:30.239 --> 00:55:33.840
it's uh imminent it proposes to reone

00:55:33.920 --> 00:55:36.639
all residential and employment land

00:55:36.719 --> 00:55:40.800
within 400 m of moriset trala and Boral

00:55:40.880 --> 00:55:43.679
train stations to allow and facilitate

00:55:43.760 --> 00:55:46.000
the development of six-story apartment

00:55:46.079 --> 00:55:48.800
buildings and they have not specified a

00:55:48.880 --> 00:55:50.800
minim lot size at this

00:55:50.880 --> 00:55:53.480
point the other one the lowrise and

00:55:53.559 --> 00:55:55.559
midrise housing reforms are set to come

00:55:55.639 --> 00:55:57.480
into effect in June

00:55:57.559 --> 00:56:00.719
2024 this proposal uh looks to rezone

00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:04.000
all R3 or medi density land and

00:56:04.079 --> 00:56:06.280
employment Zone land to allow and

00:56:06.360 --> 00:56:08.800
facilitate the development of six-story

00:56:08.880 --> 00:56:12.199
buildings within 400 m of all nine train

00:56:12.280 --> 00:56:14.679
stations in Lake mcari uh those train

00:56:14.760 --> 00:56:18.400
stations being y moriset dor Creek awaba

00:56:18.480 --> 00:56:21.760
fasy Fern borgal teralba [ __ ] Creek and

00:56:21.840 --> 00:56:24.440
Cardiff as well as the Charlestown and

00:56:24.519 --> 00:56:26.760
glendell economic centers

00:56:26.840 --> 00:56:29.360
it will also allow development of up to

00:56:29.440 --> 00:56:32.719
four stories within 400 to 800 M from

00:56:32.800 --> 00:56:35.239
all of these train stations and the

00:56:35.320 --> 00:56:37.719
economic centers which I just mentioned

00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:40.239
other economic centers may also be uh

00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:42.920
included in these proposed reforms at

00:56:43.000 --> 00:56:46.079
the state government's discretion so

00:56:46.159 --> 00:56:48.400
what does late mcquary city council want

00:56:48.480 --> 00:56:51.280
or or what do I think they want uh I

00:56:51.360 --> 00:56:54.119
believe we want genuine consultation uh

00:56:54.199 --> 00:56:55.880
particularly from the New South Wales

00:56:55.960 --> 00:56:58.079
dep Department of planning housing and

00:56:58.159 --> 00:57:00.360
infrastructure we want that consultation

00:57:00.440 --> 00:57:03.480
with residents affected land owners uh

00:57:03.559 --> 00:57:05.920
late mccy city council as well as other

00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:09.239
key stakeholders we want a seat at the

00:57:09.320 --> 00:57:12.159
table uh in the two briefings that we've

00:57:12.239 --> 00:57:15.239
had from the Department uh there's been

00:57:15.320 --> 00:57:17.719
a lot of from my experience anyway a lot

00:57:17.800 --> 00:57:20.159
of them talking at us rather than them

00:57:20.239 --> 00:57:22.880
talking with us and I think uh they

00:57:22.960 --> 00:57:26.159
would benefit uh as would we  from

00:57:26.239 --> 00:57:28.320
imparting some of that local knowledge

00:57:28.400 --> 00:57:32.199
onto them uh we also need uh dedicated

00:57:32.280 --> 00:57:34.719
infrastructure funding streAMs to fund

00:57:34.800 --> 00:57:36.559
the additional and enhanced

00:57:36.639 --> 00:57:38.840
infrastructure needed to support the New

00:57:38.920 --> 00:57:41.679
South Wales government's housing reforms

00:57:41.760 --> 00:57:44.000
we need a commitment to provide funding

00:57:44.079 --> 00:57:46.599
for the upgrades of these train stations

00:57:46.679 --> 00:57:48.920
if you think of accessibility think of

00:57:49.000 --> 00:57:52.440
platform length and width extensions as

00:57:52.519 --> 00:57:54.800
well as other infrastructure upgrades

00:57:54.880 --> 00:57:57.320
surrounding the train station

00:57:57.400 --> 00:57:59.480
what do we want we want the proposal to

00:57:59.559 --> 00:58:01.760
be nuanced we want it to be implemented

00:58:01.840 --> 00:58:03.679
in a staged approach and it would be

00:58:03.760 --> 00:58:06.920
great to get cockle Creek train station

00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:09.639
as as an initial uh site to start with

00:58:09.719 --> 00:58:13.480
as well uh we also want them to consider

00:58:13.559 --> 00:58:16.039
the terala local Heritage conservation

00:58:16.119 --> 00:58:18.960
plan which seeks to conserve local

00:58:19.039 --> 00:58:22.039
Heritage and we want train timetables to

00:58:22.119 --> 00:58:24.760
be reviewed and AMended to ensure that

00:58:24.840 --> 00:58:26.960
appropriate frequency and availability

00:58:27.039 --> 00:58:27.679
of

00:58:27.760 --> 00:58:31.480
trains at these impacted train stations

00:58:31.559 --> 00:58:34.280
uh if the New South Wales uh government

00:58:34.360 --> 00:58:36.199
in terms of the Department of planning

00:58:36.280 --> 00:58:39.639
housing and infrastructure proceed as is

00:58:39.719 --> 00:58:41.239
uh without you know making some

00:58:41.320 --> 00:58:43.800
AMendments uh what are we in for well

00:58:43.880 --> 00:58:46.519
late mcquarry is effectively going to

00:58:46.599 --> 00:58:49.599
have 11 suburbs rezoned uh

00:58:49.679 --> 00:58:52.599
simultaneously at a minim  that

00:58:52.679 --> 00:58:55.599
being you know the nine TR 8 within 800

00:58:55.679 --> 00:58:58.800
m of those nine train stations come June

00:58:58.880 --> 00:59:01.639
this year uh coupled with no funding

00:59:01.719 --> 00:59:03.639
from the new South state government for

00:59:03.719 --> 00:59:05.920
additional or enhanced

00:59:06.000 --> 00:59:08.559
infrastructure uh you know it could

00:59:08.639 --> 00:59:12.199
potentially lead to some irrational D I

00:59:12.280 --> 00:59:13.920
say it are planning outcomes for late

00:59:14.000 --> 00:59:16.920
mcquarry and may be detrimental to the

00:59:17.000 --> 00:59:20.480
lifestyle and livability of our city uh

00:59:20.559 --> 00:59:22.960
from my perspective I don't want to see

00:59:23.039 --> 00:59:25.119
a bureaucratic cut and paced approach

00:59:25.199 --> 00:59:27.599
for every train station in Lake mcquary

00:59:27.679 --> 00:59:31.360
we need local input a nuanced approach

00:59:31.440 --> 00:59:33.280
the planning outcomes for areas like

00:59:33.360 --> 00:59:35.880
moriset and card of train station should

00:59:35.960 --> 00:59:38.679
be significantly different to those in y

00:59:38.760 --> 00:59:41.920
Dora Creek and awaba I'm therefore

00:59:42.000 --> 00:59:45.880
urging uh us and the New South Wales

00:59:45.960 --> 00:59:47.840
government to commence a process of

00:59:47.920 --> 00:59:50.000
genuine consultation that considers

00:59:50.079 --> 00:59:52.400
local knowledge with a dedicated source

00:59:52.480 --> 00:59:54.519
of funding for those infrastructure

00:59:54.599 --> 00:59:57.320
upgrades in Regional areas and to

00:59:57.400 --> 00:59:59.679
implement these reforms in a strategic

00:59:59.760 --> 01:00:02.559
and staged approach so that we make sure

01:00:02.639 --> 01:00:04.679
that late mcquarry gets what it needs

01:00:04.760 --> 01:00:06.480
and deserves thank you thank you counc

01:00:06.559 --> 01:00:10.519
SCH only 27 seconds over not too bad do

01:00:10.599 --> 01:00:14.800
Council beler thank you Madam Mayor 

01:00:14.880 --> 01:00:16.599
thank you just like to firstly thank

01:00:16.679 --> 01:00:18.920
councilor Schulz for leading uh this

01:00:19.000 --> 01:00:21.880
motion  before us today his work on it

01:00:21.960 --> 01:00:24.199
has been phenomenal  and his

01:00:24.280 --> 01:00:26.719
commitment to this city is is

01:00:26.800 --> 01:00:29.360
anal what councelor schil has touched on

01:00:29.440 --> 01:00:31.920
this the aspects that I find incredibly

01:00:32.000 --> 01:00:34.840
important is that this motion before us

01:00:34.920 --> 01:00:38.440
it's about establishing a  a genuine

01:00:38.519 --> 01:00:40.320
partnership between the state government

01:00:40.400 --> 01:00:43.199
and L MC city council so we know that

01:00:43.280 --> 01:00:45.599
partnership is necessary to deliver the

01:00:45.679 --> 01:00:47.239
outcomes that the state government and

01:00:47.320 --> 01:00:49.679
fundAMentally we want in this city which

01:00:49.760 --> 01:00:51.639
is you know we do want that extra

01:00:51.719 --> 01:00:53.960
housing we do need those room those

01:00:54.039 --> 01:00:58.039
houses for for an generation of of of

01:00:58.119 --> 01:01:00.280
citizens but we also want the community

01:01:00.360 --> 01:01:02.719
to come along us with us on this journey

01:01:02.800 --> 01:01:04.320
and the way that the state government is

01:01:04.400 --> 01:01:06.760
currently going about this which is this

01:01:06.840 --> 01:01:08.960
sort of forced Upon Us implemented

01:01:09.039 --> 01:01:10.840
Without You Know Much Community

01:01:10.920 --> 01:01:13.960
consultation at all  I feel that the

01:01:14.039 --> 01:01:16.760
backlash from our community will be the

01:01:16.840 --> 01:01:19.000
unintended consequence to this and a

01:01:19.079 --> 01:01:22.000
good way of mitigating that backlash is

01:01:22.079 --> 01:01:24.679
to bring the council and their Community

01:01:24.760 --> 01:01:26.599
Along on this journey

01:01:26.679 --> 01:01:28.679
if that if that happens that partnership

01:01:28.760 --> 01:01:30.440
occurs then the outcomes will be what

01:01:30.519 --> 01:01:32.280
the government wants what we want as as

01:01:32.360 --> 01:01:35.599
a as a city as well  so I commend this

01:01:35.679 --> 01:01:38.079
motion to uh my fellow councilors and

01:01:38.159 --> 01:01:40.360
again thank  Council  schz and

01:01:40.440 --> 01:01:42.440
councel Bishop for their input as well

01:01:42.519 --> 01:01:44.440
thank you thank you

01:01:44.519 --> 01:01:47.039
counc Deputy Mayor councilor Bishop

01:01:47.119 --> 01:01:48.840
thank you Madam Mayor I just want to

01:01:48.920 --> 01:01:50.920
thank councilor Schultz and Council Bela

01:01:51.000 --> 01:01:53.519
for this  notice of motion I'm very

01:01:53.599 --> 01:01:56.119
honored to be a part of it and Council

01:01:56.199 --> 01:01:58.880
has worked tirelessly on this  I'm

01:01:58.960 --> 01:02:00.639
going to be very brief cuz what the boys

01:02:00.719 --> 01:02:02.159
said is absolutely correct and I'm not

01:02:02.239 --> 01:02:04.719
going to  say more than is necessary

01:02:04.800 --> 01:02:07.119
but what I will do is a few dot points

01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:10.800
 I want the I I want people to see

01:02:10.880 --> 01:02:12.840
what we already do here in Lake mcquary

01:02:12.920 --> 01:02:15.400
because what we do here is very good 

01:02:15.480 --> 01:02:17.280
and I want to make our community more

01:02:17.360 --> 01:02:19.320
accessible we have a very accessible

01:02:19.400 --> 01:02:21.840
City however some of the infrastructure

01:02:21.920 --> 01:02:23.800
that belongs to the state is not

01:02:23.880 --> 01:02:25.360
accessible for all people within our

01:02:25.440 --> 01:02:26.920
community

01:02:27.000 --> 01:02:29.400
 it's about this is about consultation

01:02:29.480 --> 01:02:31.760
and the provision of infrastructure I

01:02:31.840 --> 01:02:34.079
want people to talk to us and to listen

01:02:34.159 --> 01:02:37.360
to us and ask us what we actually need

01:02:37.440 --> 01:02:40.559
and fund what we need because these

01:02:40.639 --> 01:02:43.000
changes will come into place but we need

01:02:43.079 --> 01:02:45.480
to do this in proper consultation and

01:02:45.559 --> 01:02:47.519
that's what this notice of motion is

01:02:47.599 --> 01:02:51.400
purely about thank you thank you deputy

01:02:51.480 --> 01:02:54.000
Mayor council Pauling thank you madAM

01:02:54.079 --> 01:02:57.840
Mayor  I feel a little left out

01:02:59.639 --> 01:03:01.519
but but more seriously  once again

01:03:01.599 --> 01:03:03.559
Kudos words due I remember recently

01:03:03.639 --> 01:03:06.360
giving councelor ankli for gold star 

01:03:06.440 --> 01:03:07.719
this evening I think that goes to

01:03:07.800 --> 01:03:10.559
councelor Schulz that said as

01:03:10.639 --> 01:03:12.440
wonderfully prepared as this is and as

01:03:12.519 --> 01:03:14.800
much logical sense as this makes I think

01:03:14.880 --> 01:03:16.880
it's important once again to take the

01:03:16.960 --> 01:03:18.559
the true position we are in a relatively

01:03:18.639 --> 01:03:21.159
weak position and time frAMes are

01:03:21.239 --> 01:03:23.360
relatively short and that's the shAMe

01:03:23.440 --> 01:03:24.719
this Council as we've talked we've just

01:03:24.800 --> 01:03:26.079
talked about infi we've just talked

01:03:26.159 --> 01:03:29.079
about how we will better control the

01:03:29.159 --> 01:03:31.480
spread and development within the city

01:03:31.559 --> 01:03:33.960
and over quite some time we have

01:03:34.039 --> 01:03:36.960
developed a sensible approach and the

01:03:37.039 --> 01:03:39.519
tragedy here is that parallel to that is

01:03:39.599 --> 01:03:43.039
what seems fairly reactive less than

01:03:43.119 --> 01:03:45.920
considered approach has been

01:03:46.000 --> 01:03:49.199
applied without due consideration across

01:03:49.280 --> 01:03:50.840
a whole pack of areas and that's going

01:03:50.920 --> 01:03:53.920
to impact us uh and that's the that's

01:03:54.000 --> 01:03:55.800
first tragedy that's this one siiz fit

01:03:55.880 --> 01:03:57.639
does not work and councelor Schultz I

01:03:57.719 --> 01:04:00.480
think has very eloquently outlined the

01:04:00.559 --> 01:04:03.679
argents for that the other bit

01:04:03.760 --> 01:04:05.519
infrastructure no surprise if you're

01:04:05.599 --> 01:04:06.719
down the west side of the lake you know

01:04:06.800 --> 01:04:08.840
infrastructure is a problem already 

01:04:08.920 --> 01:04:13.440
b53 one of I think the least supported

01:04:13.519 --> 01:04:16.239
roads anywhere uh at peak times

01:04:16.320 --> 01:04:18.960
absolutely horrible  and that has been

01:04:19.039 --> 01:04:22.840
an issue and as part of this potentially

01:04:22.920 --> 01:04:23.800
you could have a whole pack of little

01:04:23.880 --> 01:04:26.519
mini skyscrapers drop in maybe those

01:04:26.599 --> 01:04:29.320
people catch the train maybe they don't

01:04:29.400 --> 01:04:30.760
honestly don't know I don't know that's

01:04:30.840 --> 01:04:32.159
been planned out or thought through very

01:04:32.239 --> 01:04:35.639
well at all but in theory if if the

01:04:35.719 --> 01:04:37.480
state proposals get smashed through as

01:04:37.559 --> 01:04:39.360
as they look right now whole pack of

01:04:39.440 --> 01:04:41.440
little towers pop up whole pack of cars

01:04:41.519 --> 01:04:44.519
pushing in to already overloaded

01:04:44.599 --> 01:04:48.280
infrastructure  it's a disaster

01:04:48.360 --> 01:04:51.159
potentially for this city as it stands

01:04:51.239 --> 01:04:53.840
and it's so frustrating that I think

01:04:53.920 --> 01:04:56.239
we've put forward very sensible

01:04:56.320 --> 01:04:59.679
well considered nuanced approaches so

01:04:59.760 --> 01:05:01.719
you know even as recently as this

01:05:01.800 --> 01:05:03.599
evening we've been nuancing our approach

01:05:03.679 --> 01:05:05.159
to how we think this should work and

01:05:05.239 --> 01:05:06.679
where is appropriate and where isn't

01:05:06.760 --> 01:05:08.800
appropriate I really hope the state

01:05:08.880 --> 01:05:13.719
listens  but honestly I'm I don't know

01:05:13.800 --> 01:05:16.159
how open I AM to that in that we've

01:05:16.239 --> 01:05:17.679
talked about we've had immigration

01:05:17.760 --> 01:05:20.119
brought up we know housing Supply like

01:05:20.199 --> 01:05:22.559
Supply demand grossly out of kilter and

01:05:22.639 --> 01:05:24.960
getting worse there's no doubt about

01:05:25.039 --> 01:05:26.840
that

01:05:26.920 --> 01:05:28.880
putting this straight out there I think

01:05:28.960 --> 01:05:31.280
this is a desperate attempt to try and

01:05:31.360 --> 01:05:33.440
alleviate some of that pressure uh and

01:05:33.519 --> 01:05:35.800
pull the levers that are available to

01:05:35.880 --> 01:05:36.880
the state government once again it

01:05:36.960 --> 01:05:38.239
doesn't control immigration that's not

01:05:38.320 --> 01:05:40.199
its problem  but it does have to find

01:05:40.280 --> 01:05:41.679
somewhere for people to live and it's

01:05:41.760 --> 01:05:44.039
trying desperately to do that and

01:05:44.119 --> 01:05:46.760
unfortunately we might be some some of

01:05:46.840 --> 01:05:49.199
that ill through ill-considered

01:05:49.280 --> 01:05:52.119
consequence might Splash on us uh and

01:05:52.199 --> 01:05:53.719
once again to Residents I say hey look

01:05:53.800 --> 01:05:56.639
this wasn't our fault we we' put forward

01:05:56.719 --> 01:05:59.079
a very logical well structured argent

01:05:59.159 --> 01:06:01.519
that I hope someone listens to the

01:06:01.599 --> 01:06:04.360
unfortunate side is time is very very

01:06:04.440 --> 01:06:06.840
short and governments don't always

01:06:06.920 --> 01:06:10.280
listen to well executed well thought

01:06:10.360 --> 01:06:13.039
through well delivered argents so I I

01:06:13.119 --> 01:06:14.440
hope that I'm I'm proven wrong here

01:06:14.519 --> 01:06:16.760
Madam Mayor and I'm hope the state

01:06:16.840 --> 01:06:19.679
reconsiders and I hope that this motion

01:06:19.760 --> 01:06:22.960
has the influence that it is is intended

01:06:23.039 --> 01:06:26.000
 because as it stands I can't see that

01:06:26.079 --> 01:06:28.400
this is real good for us as a city and

01:06:28.480 --> 01:06:29.840
certainly not for anyone who lives

01:06:29.920 --> 01:06:33.519
anywhere near a train station Andor 

01:06:33.599 --> 01:06:34.599
down the western side of the lake

01:06:34.679 --> 01:06:35.920
because their infrastructure that

01:06:36.000 --> 01:06:37.360
currently isn't supported very well at

01:06:37.440 --> 01:06:39.280
all is only going to get worse in the

01:06:39.360 --> 01:06:41.039
short term if this goes ahead in its

01:06:41.119 --> 01:06:42.840
current form thank you Madam May thank

01:06:42.920 --> 01:06:44.719
you councelor

01:06:44.800 --> 01:06:49.880
Pauling councelor Buckley thank you mad

01:06:52.880 --> 01:06:56.920
May C Bley thank you madAM there  look

01:06:57.000 --> 01:07:01.480
I I I take on board what  counselor uh

01:07:01.559 --> 01:07:05.760
Pauling had to say  yes it might be

01:07:05.840 --> 01:07:07.960
might not be listened to but I think we

01:07:08.039 --> 01:07:12.719
do need to go ahead we need to let the

01:07:12.800 --> 01:07:14.840
 the government the state government

01:07:14.920 --> 01:07:17.639
know and the community that we're not

01:07:17.719 --> 01:07:21.360
happy with the way this has progressed

01:07:21.440 --> 01:07:24.000
 we would like very much to be

01:07:24.079 --> 01:07:26.239
consulted and to be involved in the

01:07:26.320 --> 01:07:29.239
planning  so that we can make the best

01:07:29.320 --> 01:07:32.400
decision for our community  I

01:07:32.480 --> 01:07:35.000
commend councelor AdAM th councelor

01:07:35.079 --> 01:07:37.440
bishop and councelor Belcher for

01:07:37.519 --> 01:07:40.119
bringing this to council it is really

01:07:40.199 --> 01:07:43.880
important that we we don't just say oh

01:07:43.960 --> 01:07:45.559
well we can't do anything about it and

01:07:45.639 --> 01:07:48.679
let it go  we need to be to be able to

01:07:48.760 --> 01:07:51.079
stand up and say we're not happy with

01:07:51.159 --> 01:07:54.440
this  we want change we want you to

01:07:54.519 --> 01:07:57.039
listen to us we want you to come and and

01:07:57.119 --> 01:07:59.199
look and talk to us and see what we can

01:07:59.280 --> 01:08:03.159
do to make this  this this decision

01:08:03.239 --> 01:08:06.440
work better for our community so I I

01:08:06.519 --> 01:08:09.519
commend this  this notice of motion

01:08:09.599 --> 01:08:11.119
thank you Madam Mayor thank you Council

01:08:11.199 --> 01:08:14.559
Bley and it's really  lovely to have a

01:08:14.639 --> 01:08:16.079
notice of motion brought to us from

01:08:16.159 --> 01:08:18.399
councelor Schulz and councilor Bish and

01:08:18.479 --> 01:08:21.800
Council belter  and having uh all

01:08:21.880 --> 01:08:23.520
different political Persuasions here in

01:08:23.600 --> 01:08:26.079
the room to talk about community

01:08:26.159 --> 01:08:29.079
consultation and how important it is for

01:08:29.159 --> 01:08:32.119
us as counselors and how much we value

01:08:32.199 --> 01:08:34.640
our community and the work that we do

01:08:34.720 --> 01:08:36.920
here as a council is to consult with the

01:08:37.000 --> 01:08:39.239
community talk to the community find out

01:08:39.319 --> 01:08:40.800
their views make sure they are

01:08:40.880 --> 01:08:43.920
accommodator as much as we can and 

01:08:44.000 --> 01:08:45.359
I've heard some passionate speeches

01:08:45.439 --> 01:08:47.720
tonight and it's really wonderful that

01:08:47.800 --> 01:08:50.039
the council is here tonight are so

01:08:50.119 --> 01:08:51.720
passionate about the community and about

01:08:51.800 --> 01:08:53.439
the people and making sure that the

01:08:53.520 --> 01:08:55.439
infrastructure is delivered along with

01:08:55.520 --> 01:08:58.439
with these  these measures that are

01:08:58.520 --> 01:09:01.399
being forced upon us so hopefully uh

01:09:01.479 --> 01:09:03.079
looking at the motion uh we're writing

01:09:03.159 --> 01:09:05.439
to new south premier to the minister of

01:09:05.520 --> 01:09:07.359
planning Open Spaces spaces and the

01:09:07.439 --> 01:09:09.279
Minister of Housing and local members of

01:09:09.359 --> 01:09:11.560
parliAMent so we have a nber of local

01:09:11.640 --> 01:09:13.560
members of parliAMent that are in

01:09:13.640 --> 01:09:16.199
government uh and I think uh it would be

01:09:16.279 --> 01:09:18.760
nice if uh we could get their support

01:09:18.840 --> 01:09:21.439
behind this and make sure we have some

01:09:21.520 --> 01:09:23.039
real change here for our residents of

01:09:23.119 --> 01:09:25.479
Lake mcari I know this is a new southw

01:09:25.560 --> 01:09:28.319
wide that this state government is doing

01:09:28.399 --> 01:09:30.159
but for us at Lake mcquary we we're

01:09:30.239 --> 01:09:32.039
concerned about our residents and how

01:09:32.119 --> 01:09:34.000
our city will take shape in the future

01:09:34.079 --> 01:09:36.520
so I want to congratulate the counselors

01:09:36.600 --> 01:09:39.680
 for your plea for bringing this to us

01:09:39.760 --> 01:09:41.880
and making sure that state government

01:09:41.960 --> 01:09:44.800
takes notice and uh and we'll be

01:09:44.880 --> 01:09:46.720
hopefully we'll be unanimous on this and

01:09:46.800 --> 01:09:49.359
it shows a total determination and and

01:09:49.439 --> 01:09:51.119
she gret from all of us that we're

01:09:51.199 --> 01:09:53.399
fighting for our community thank you

01:09:53.479 --> 01:09:55.560
councilors uh council schz do want to

01:09:55.640 --> 01:09:59.319
write a reply thank you  if the day

01:09:59.399 --> 01:10:02.720
further speakers I'll put for 24nm 002

01:10:02.800 --> 01:10:04.520
New South W state government INF full

01:10:04.600 --> 01:10:06.079
development near resisting train

01:10:06.159 --> 01:10:08.479
stations in Lake mcing moved by Council

01:10:08.560 --> 01:10:10.399
schz second by Council Bishop I do that

01:10:10.479 --> 01:10:12.720
by sh hens all those in favor Council

01:10:12.800 --> 01:10:15.000
AdAM councelor ancliff Council Conroy

01:10:15.079 --> 01:10:17.159
Council gree Council Bel councelor

01:10:17.239 --> 01:10:19.199
Pauling councel Bishop councel Schulz

01:10:19.279 --> 01:10:21.439
councel Bley Council Warner Council FR

01:10:21.520 --> 01:10:23.520
declared that carried thank you

01:10:23.600 --> 01:10:27.720
councelors uh recision motions uh Neil

01:10:27.800 --> 01:10:30.680
petitions uh the deputy Mayor council

01:10:30.760 --> 01:10:33.199
Bishop you have a petition I do indeed

01:10:33.279 --> 01:10:35.279
Madam Mayor I have one from the Toronto

01:10:35.359 --> 01:10:37.600
area sustainable neighborhood group and

01:10:37.680 --> 01:10:39.239
it's with regards to painting of wheel

01:10:39.319 --> 01:10:41.800
stops in the B on the boulevard at

01:10:41.880 --> 01:10:46.239
Toronto thank you thank you  I well

01:10:46.319 --> 01:10:48.760
actually we haven't done in the past but

01:10:48.840 --> 01:10:52.239
 I will see a move you're moving that

01:10:52.319 --> 01:10:54.239
and I'll see a second we have Council

01:10:54.319 --> 01:10:56.159
beler thank you but normally move it in

01:10:56.239 --> 01:10:58.520
second but I think uh it's a good idea

01:10:58.600 --> 01:11:01.359
to do that so counselors we're just

01:11:01.439 --> 01:11:03.479
noting that we the petition has been

01:11:03.560 --> 01:11:05.880
tabled but I will put it to a vote uh

01:11:05.960 --> 01:11:07.680
keeps nice and tidy with the rest of our

01:11:07.760 --> 01:11:09.840
business so I'll do that by show of

01:11:09.920 --> 01:11:12.159
hands all those in favor uh it doesn't

01:11:12.239 --> 01:11:15.279
mean you're  supporting the petition

01:11:15.359 --> 01:11:16.640
but it just means that you're you're

01:11:16.720 --> 01:11:18.520
endorsing that's being tabled Council

01:11:18.600 --> 01:11:20.920
AdAM councelor ancliffe councelor Conroy

01:11:21.000 --> 01:11:23.439
councelor grig councelor Bela councelor

01:11:23.520 --> 01:11:26.600
Pauling councelor Bishop Council Buckley

01:11:26.680 --> 01:11:28.439
Council Warner Council fras decare that

01:11:28.520 --> 01:11:31.239
carried I note that  Council schz uh

01:11:31.319 --> 01:11:33.000
left the room before you put the

01:11:33.079 --> 01:11:35.880
petition down thank you uh business

01:11:35.960 --> 01:11:39.000
without notice miss

01:11:40.439 --> 01:11:43.399
CAMeron councilors will now move on 

01:11:43.479 --> 01:11:46.399
and for the members of the gallery we we

01:11:46.479 --> 01:11:51.319
have our next item is 24 SP 018 it is a

01:11:51.399 --> 01:11:54.319
confidential item uh in relation to

01:11:54.399 --> 01:11:56.560
interim contract for regional curbside

01:11:56.640 --> 01:11:58.479
recyclable collection and

01:11:58.560 --> 01:12:00.479
processing uh this report is in a

01:12:00.560 --> 01:12:03.720
separate confidential agenda can I ask

01:12:03.800 --> 01:12:05.800
uh if the councilors have any questions

01:12:05.880 --> 01:12:07.800
they wish to ask to make us go into

01:12:07.880 --> 01:12:11.439
confidential session or they're happy to

01:12:11.520 --> 01:12:12.720
uh

01:12:12.800 --> 01:12:17.199
move what's printed

01:12:17.279 --> 01:12:21.680
as  Council belil you're wishing

01:12:22.279 --> 01:12:26.319
to as printed   Council agree your

01:12:26.399 --> 01:12:30.399
setting that so I  know Council wish

01:12:30.479 --> 01:12:32.760
to discuss the uh the confidential

01:12:32.840 --> 01:12:34.199
matter

01:12:34.279 --> 01:12:38.199
 thank you so councils I have just put

01:12:38.279 --> 01:12:42.239
24 SP 018 interim contract for regional

01:12:42.319 --> 01:12:44.880
curbside recyclable collection and

01:12:44.960 --> 01:12:46.960
processing the matter has not been

01:12:47.039 --> 01:12:48.600
debated therefore we don't need to go

01:12:48.680 --> 01:12:50.880
into confidential session it's been

01:12:50.960 --> 01:12:52.840
moved by Council belter second by

01:12:52.920 --> 01:12:55.119
Council grig and I'll put that all that

01:12:55.199 --> 01:12:56.720
in favor with the show of hands

01:12:56.800 --> 01:12:58.760
councelor arenth councelor anff

01:12:58.840 --> 01:13:00.800
councelor Conroy councelor grig

01:13:00.880 --> 01:13:02.960
councelor Bela councelor Pauling

01:13:03.039 --> 01:13:05.000
councelor Bishop councelor Schulz

01:13:05.079 --> 01:13:06.520
councelor Buckley councelor Warner and

01:13:06.600 --> 01:13:09.720
councelor fr declar that

01:13:10.079 --> 01:13:15.479
carried  counselors we do have another

01:13:15.560 --> 01:13:18.359
matter uh that we were discussing

01:13:18.439 --> 01:13:19.399
earlier on

01:13:19.479 --> 01:13:24.039
tonight in relation to  the director

01:13:24.119 --> 01:13:27.119
of

01:13:28.800 --> 01:13:31.560
yes  in in relation to the director of

01:13:31.640 --> 01:13:33.079
organizational

01:13:33.159 --> 01:13:37.399
Services uh and that was 24 SP 019 wber

01:13:37.479 --> 01:13:42.159
house revitalization project  so

01:13:42.239 --> 01:13:43.640
counselors will have to have a

01:13:43.720 --> 01:13:46.359
procedural motion to move

01:13:46.439 --> 01:13:49.960
into just a moment

01:13:54.039 --> 01:13:57.039
counselors

01:13:59.319 --> 01:14:00.960
Council we're just getting our procedure

01:14:01.039 --> 01:14:05.119
right thank you uh so uh we'll now go on

01:14:05.199 --> 01:14:06.479
through director of organizational

01:14:06.560 --> 01:14:09.439
services and that's 24 sp01 wber house

01:14:09.520 --> 01:14:13.000
revitalization project so  we'll have

01:14:13.079 --> 01:14:16.960
a move in a seconder  that Council

01:14:17.039 --> 01:14:20.319
approves reallocating $2.6 million in

01:14:20.399 --> 01:14:21.840
funding from other property related

01:14:21.920 --> 01:14:23.880
projects noting this decision is the

01:14:23.960 --> 01:14:26.359
head of the operational plan 2024 2025

01:14:26.439 --> 01:14:29.640
and budget being adopted  Council

01:14:29.720 --> 01:14:31.920
Bishop you're moving that Council Greg

01:14:32.000 --> 01:14:35.279
you're seconding that so councilors is

01:14:35.359 --> 01:14:37.159
there anyone wishing to discuss it I

01:14:37.239 --> 01:14:38.479
understand that Council belter you had

01:14:38.560 --> 01:14:41.239
an interest to ask questions in relation

01:14:41.319 --> 01:14:43.960
to the confidential

01:14:44.039 --> 01:14:49.800
attachment yes M yes so  councilors 

01:14:49.880 --> 01:14:51.920
we have a procedural motion you're

01:14:52.000 --> 01:14:55.600
wishing to move that that we move into

01:14:55.680 --> 01:14:58.319
confidential

01:14:59.399 --> 01:15:02.079
session uh thank you you're seeing that

01:15:02.159 --> 01:15:04.239
Council beler I'll just read out the

01:15:04.319 --> 01:15:06.560
Clause

01:15:06.640 --> 01:15:08.760
counselors Co has it right here in front

01:15:08.840 --> 01:15:11.720
of me thank you very much M CAMeron so

01:15:11.800 --> 01:15:15.159
councilors uh attachment to of 24 sp01 n

01:15:15.239 --> 01:15:18.119
wobber house revitalization project in

01:15:18.199 --> 01:15:21.119
accordance with Clause 10.1 C of

01:15:21.199 --> 01:15:23.520
council's code of meeting practice as

01:15:23.600 --> 01:15:25.279
this attachment deals with information

01:15:25.359 --> 01:15:26.920
that would if disclose confer a

01:15:27.000 --> 01:15:28.960
commercial advantage on a person with

01:15:29.039 --> 01:15:31.359
whom the council is conducting or

01:15:31.439 --> 01:15:34.680
proposes to conduct business section 10

01:15:34.760 --> 01:15:38.119
a2c of the Local Government Act

01:15:38.199 --> 01:15:41.199
1993 so counselors your  you're moving

01:15:41.279 --> 01:15:42.680
that Council Bel you're seconding that

01:15:42.760 --> 01:15:44.640
councilor grig thank you very much I'll

01:15:44.720 --> 01:15:46.720
put that  all those in favor to go on

01:15:46.800 --> 01:15:49.239
a confidential session Council AdAM way

01:15:49.319 --> 01:15:50.920
councelor ancliff councel Conroy

01:15:51.000 --> 01:15:52.640
councelor grig councel beler councelor

01:15:52.720 --> 01:15:55.079
Paulie councilor Bishop councelor SCH

01:15:55.159 --> 01:15:57.479
councel B councel Wonder councel Fraser

01:15:57.560 --> 01:15:59.520
so  for members of the community we're

01:15:59.600 --> 01:16:02.720
now going into confidential session to

01:16:02.800 --> 01:16:04.680
debate uh certain matters that are

01:16:04.760 --> 01:16:06.600
confidential so I have to ask you to

01:16:06.680 --> 01:16:09.039
leave the chAMber once we debate the

01:16:09.119 --> 01:16:10.560
matter uh we will

01:16:10.640 --> 01:16:14.319
reopen and  we will have some we've

01:16:14.399 --> 01:16:15.640
already had someone moved in second and

01:16:15.720 --> 01:16:17.119
we'll read out if there's been any

01:16:17.199 --> 01:16:19.760
changes to that decision so we'll close

01:16:19.840 --> 01:16:22.680
the chAMber but we will reopen it after

01:16:22.760 --> 01:16:26.520
the debate of the confidential

01:16:26.600 --> 01:16:30.000
matter we also ask staff who  don't

01:16:30.079 --> 01:16:32.399
need to be here to leave the chAMber as

01:16:32.479 --> 01:16:35.359
well thank

01:16:38.520 --> 01:16:41.359
you I'll also ask

01:16:41.439 --> 01:16:46.600
 staff to close the doors as

01:16:48.039 --> 01:16:51.159
well so councilors we we have moved out

01:16:51.239 --> 01:16:53.199
of confidential

01:16:53.279 --> 01:16:55.800
session 

01:16:55.880 --> 01:17:00.199
in relation to 24 SP 019 of wber house

01:17:00.279 --> 01:17:01.760
revitalization

01:17:01.840 --> 01:17:05.359
project  Council Bishop has moved uh

01:17:05.439 --> 01:17:08.039
the recommendation as printed uh has

01:17:08.119 --> 01:17:10.840
been seconded by Council grig  Council

01:17:10.920 --> 01:17:12.439
Bishop you're wishing to speak as you

01:17:12.520 --> 01:17:16.640
moved you've moved I'll I'll allow 

01:17:16.720 --> 01:17:20.680
the Mover to  speak in relation to the

01:17:20.760 --> 01:17:25.560
motion  councelor Bishop thank you mad

01:17:25.640 --> 01:17:28.000
thank you Madam Mayor I AM speaking in

01:17:28.079 --> 01:17:29.560
favor of the recommendation in front of

01:17:29.640 --> 01:17:31.760
us tonight regarding the Beloved and

01:17:31.840 --> 01:17:35.520
iconic  a wobber house  as many of

01:17:35.600 --> 01:17:37.119
us are aware a wobber house was

01:17:37.199 --> 01:17:39.319
significantly dAMaged by fire in August

01:17:39.399 --> 01:17:42.239
2019 and historically there has been a

01:17:42.319 --> 01:17:44.359
dwelling or a house on that site since

01:17:44.439 --> 01:17:47.000
the 19th century the current dwelling

01:17:47.079 --> 01:17:49.239
was built in

01:17:49.319 --> 01:17:52.039
1927 the obber house we all know and

01:17:52.119 --> 01:17:54.399
love was an exceptional historic

01:17:54.479 --> 01:17:56.920
building with it most recently used as a

01:17:57.000 --> 01:17:58.760
function space and restaurant it's had

01:17:58.840 --> 01:18:01.439
many other uses over the last 100 years

01:18:01.520 --> 01:18:03.159
many of our residents in The Wider

01:18:03.239 --> 01:18:04.960
Community have held fAMily functions

01:18:05.039 --> 01:18:06.800
there including weddings at a wber house

01:18:06.880 --> 01:18:09.000
and I myself celebrated wedding

01:18:09.079 --> 01:18:12.119
anniversary there a wobber house is the

01:18:12.199 --> 01:18:14.720
gateway to maip Pang and the Sculpture

01:18:14.800 --> 01:18:17.199
Park in borgal which is Central to the

01:18:17.279 --> 01:18:19.439
daily activities of the locals of which

01:18:19.520 --> 01:18:22.199
I one of them  and that includes

01:18:22.279 --> 01:18:24.920
exercising sailing rowing cycling and L

01:18:25.000 --> 01:18:27.079
walking the good old doggos around that

01:18:27.159 --> 01:18:30.039
area the rebuild of wobber house is a

01:18:30.119 --> 01:18:32.159
regular question from people all over

01:18:32.239 --> 01:18:34.840
our city but with the regulars and the

01:18:34.920 --> 01:18:37.359
locals it's it's a point of conversation

01:18:37.439 --> 01:18:39.920
regularly but for the local borle people

01:18:40.000 --> 01:18:41.760
it is a vital piece of infrastructure

01:18:41.840 --> 01:18:43.560
and missing from our landscape it's

01:18:43.640 --> 01:18:46.279
really a bit of a blight to be honest 

01:18:46.359 --> 01:18:48.000
there has been significant Community

01:18:48.079 --> 01:18:50.680
consultation in the years since 2019 as

01:18:50.760 --> 01:18:52.680
to what to do with a wobber house

01:18:52.760 --> 01:18:54.199
including the establishment of the

01:18:54.279 --> 01:18:57.640
community reference group the constant

01:18:57.720 --> 01:18:59.279
the constant in all of the discussions

01:18:59.359 --> 01:19:01.399
has been the community's expectation

01:19:01.479 --> 01:19:03.880
that a wobber house was to be

01:19:03.960 --> 01:19:06.279
restored for it to Rise Like a Phoenix

01:19:06.359 --> 01:19:08.359
from the literal ashes and to restore

01:19:08.439 --> 01:19:10.840
the Heritage elements where possible

01:19:10.920 --> 01:19:12.640
whilst making a modern hospitality and

01:19:12.720 --> 01:19:15.680
function space that's what the community

01:19:15.760 --> 01:19:18.319
wants something which our city needs and

01:19:18.399 --> 01:19:20.079
has been sorely missed in the borgal and

01:19:20.159 --> 01:19:22.720
western side of our Lake throughout this

01:19:22.800 --> 01:19:25.520
time the message in our community

01:19:25.600 --> 01:19:27.520
to our community in response to this

01:19:27.600 --> 01:19:29.439
consultation is simply that a wobber

01:19:29.520 --> 01:19:31.960
house would be revitalized it's on our

01:19:32.039 --> 01:19:34.479
website in black and white actually it's

01:19:34.560 --> 01:19:37.319
in blue and white as a council we made

01:19:37.399 --> 01:19:39.119
that commitment and with a commitment to

01:19:39.199 --> 01:19:41.079
provide for a community when when a

01:19:41.159 --> 01:19:43.560
commitment is to provide for a community

01:19:43.640 --> 01:19:45.560
is made the commitment should be

01:19:45.640 --> 01:19:47.960
fulfilled I don't think that we should

01:19:48.039 --> 01:19:49.640
be even discussing this we should just

01:19:49.720 --> 01:19:51.920
go

01:19:52.000 --> 01:19:55.079
through I therefore will be voting for

01:19:55.159 --> 01:19:56.680
this recommendation tonight and I hope

01:19:56.760 --> 01:19:58.359
some of my fellow councilors will agree

01:19:58.439 --> 01:20:00.640
with that thank you thank you deuty

01:20:00.720 --> 01:20:03.520
Mayor council AdAM uh yes thank you

01:20:03.600 --> 01:20:05.560
Madam may I just have two questions for

01:20:05.640 --> 01:20:09.239
staff  it mentions up there that uh

01:20:09.319 --> 01:20:12.439
the $2.6 million of funding would be

01:20:12.520 --> 01:20:15.920
from property related projects is that

01:20:16.000 --> 01:20:19.680
correct uh miss CAMeron uh yes Madam

01:20:19.760 --> 01:20:22.520
Mayor that's correct and second question

01:20:22.600 --> 01:20:25.039
Madam Mayor if by any chance there is

01:20:25.119 --> 01:20:27.560
some sort of an increase in prices will

01:20:27.640 --> 01:20:30.439
that funding also come from property

01:20:30.520 --> 01:20:33.159
related projects M

01:20:33.239 --> 01:20:36.239
CAMeron

01:20:36.800 --> 01:20:39.840
 that that's not it's not possible for

01:20:39.920 --> 01:20:42.520
me to give a an assurance for that  I

01:20:42.600 --> 01:20:45.560
can give councelors an assurance that

01:20:45.640 --> 01:20:48.600
the that the intention is always to look

01:20:48.680 --> 01:20:51.600
for funds within the the portfolio I

01:20:51.680 --> 01:20:54.239
guess  and the first place that we

01:20:54.319 --> 01:20:57.359
would look would be in projects that

01:20:57.439 --> 01:21:00.680
aren't Community Asset projects roads

01:21:00.760 --> 01:21:03.560
playgrounds Etc but I don't think right

01:21:03.640 --> 01:21:05.479
here right now I can give that

01:21:05.560 --> 01:21:07.840
Assurance thank you Madam May so I I'll

01:21:07.920 --> 01:21:11.760
ask a third one then  so in all

01:21:11.840 --> 01:21:14.439
likelihood if there were to be an

01:21:14.520 --> 01:21:16.680
additional expense it

01:21:16.760 --> 01:21:20.399
wouldn't  be related to operational

01:21:20.479 --> 01:21:23.439
planning matters that relates to

01:21:23.520 --> 01:21:25.880
Community Services and facilities and

01:21:25.960 --> 01:21:29.239
things like that in all likelihood  M

01:21:29.319 --> 01:21:31.079
CAMeron Madam May through

01:21:31.159 --> 01:21:34.279
you it wouldn't be operational funds if

01:21:34.359 --> 01:21:36.520
it's a if it's an increase in the

01:21:36.600 --> 01:21:39.199
capital cost of the project  so

01:21:39.279 --> 01:21:41.319
therefore it wouldn't

01:21:41.399 --> 01:21:44.319
impact operating costs of

01:21:44.399 --> 01:21:47.319
facilities  would it impact future

01:21:47.399 --> 01:21:50.520
projects in operational plans as I say

01:21:50.600 --> 01:21:55.680
it's unlikely and that would be our last

01:21:55.760 --> 01:22:00.399
 Choice  but at this point in time

01:22:00.479 --> 01:22:02.479
uh given the size of the contingency in

01:22:02.560 --> 01:22:05.640
the project I think it's it's the risk

01:22:05.720 --> 01:22:09.640
is low and  it certainly would be Our

01:22:09.720 --> 01:22:11.600
intention it to bring back to council

01:22:11.680 --> 01:22:15.520
and the council the proposed funding

01:22:15.600 --> 01:22:18.520
sources should it be required  and

01:22:18.600 --> 01:22:20.279
certainly Our intention would be that

01:22:20.359 --> 01:22:22.399
they they're not

01:22:22.479 --> 01:22:24.760
Community uh capital projects for

01:22:24.840 --> 01:22:27.039
Community infrastructure uh thank you

01:22:27.119 --> 01:22:29.920
Madam M that that  the those

01:22:30.000 --> 01:22:32.479
responses uh clarify my thinking on this

01:22:32.560 --> 01:22:34.239
and I will be supporting this

01:22:34.319 --> 01:22:36.399
recommendation thank

01:22:36.479 --> 01:22:38.760
you Council Schultz thank you Madam

01:22:38.840 --> 01:22:41.479
Mayor just wanted to speak in favor of

01:22:41.560 --> 01:22:45.279
this  former councelor Jones and I I

01:22:45.359 --> 01:22:49.159
recall going out on site uh quite some

01:22:49.239 --> 01:22:52.560
time ago I think it was late 2019 and

01:22:52.640 --> 01:22:55.079
and David ancliffe was there just in

01:22:55.159 --> 01:22:58.159
terms of uh hosting a community uh

01:22:58.239 --> 01:23:01.279
consultation event uh we had Architects

01:23:01.359 --> 01:23:03.880
we had people from hospitality and

01:23:03.960 --> 01:23:06.000
councelor Jones and I uh you know this

01:23:06.079 --> 01:23:07.840
is effectively going back four or five

01:23:07.920 --> 01:23:10.960
years ago  were very impressed in

01:23:11.039 --> 01:23:13.439
terms of the expertise that we had

01:23:13.520 --> 01:23:15.960
engaged as part of that consultation

01:23:16.039 --> 01:23:18.680
group it's great to see that you know

01:23:18.760 --> 01:23:21.640
after 5 years we are moving on this uh

01:23:21.720 --> 01:23:23.720
the community did Place their trust in

01:23:23.800 --> 01:23:27.520
US and I believe it's time to deliver uh

01:23:27.600 --> 01:23:30.680
as uh Deputy Mayor Bishop referred to

01:23:30.760 --> 01:23:35.319
the aaba house uh had been standing I

01:23:35.399 --> 01:23:40.800
think since 1927 so nearly 100 years uh

01:23:40.880 --> 01:23:44.760
what we're proposing is uh not just like

01:23:44.840 --> 01:23:47.920
for like but like for like and then some

01:23:48.000 --> 01:23:50.680
 we were asking questions before in

01:23:50.760 --> 01:23:52.880
terms of the new building uh what's the

01:23:52.960 --> 01:23:55.520
useful life will told that you know it

01:23:55.600 --> 01:23:58.399
should have uh all things being equal a

01:23:58.479 --> 01:24:02.640
life of 50 years so uh by this decision

01:24:02.720 --> 01:24:05.079
here tonight we're ensuring that a

01:24:05.159 --> 01:24:08.800
wobber house isn't just re uh reinstated

01:24:08.880 --> 01:24:11.800
and restored uh that we're providing

01:24:11.880 --> 01:24:15.159
effectively uh half a century of

01:24:15.239 --> 01:24:19.479
memories and uh everything that goes

01:24:19.560 --> 01:24:22.159
with that as part of restoring a wber

01:24:22.239 --> 01:24:24.680
house  it's really important that it

01:24:24.760 --> 01:24:26.560
is rebuilt it's something that we can

01:24:26.640 --> 01:24:30.880
all be proud of uh and also it's so

01:24:30.960 --> 01:24:33.520
unique to late mcquary  just in terms

01:24:33.600 --> 01:24:36.520
of functions and weddings and and and

01:24:36.600 --> 01:24:39.199
birthday parties or or anniversaries as

01:24:39.279 --> 01:24:42.000
was mentioned earlier  but yeah it

01:24:42.079 --> 01:24:43.640
really is time to restore it to its

01:24:43.720 --> 01:24:46.399
former glory and ensure that it's there

01:24:46.479 --> 01:24:48.760
in perpetuity for future generations to

01:24:48.840 --> 01:24:52.119
enjoy so uh I commend The Proposal thank

01:24:52.199 --> 01:24:53.239
you thank

01:24:53.319 --> 01:24:56.199
you councilor Pauling thank you Madam

01:24:56.279 --> 01:24:59.359
Mayor  this one I think is one of

01:24:59.439 --> 01:25:01.479
those very difficult ones again and I'm

01:25:01.560 --> 01:25:05.520
conflicted I see both sides I can't deny

01:25:05.600 --> 01:25:08.079
the social benefit of what this could be

01:25:08.159 --> 01:25:10.399
equally  no one's referenced the

01:25:10.479 --> 01:25:12.840
awesome renders in the supplementary

01:25:12.920 --> 01:25:15.520
agenda  like for those that have a

01:25:15.600 --> 01:25:17.880
look at they look absolutely fantastic

01:25:17.960 --> 01:25:19.439
there is no doubt this will be a

01:25:19.520 --> 01:25:21.960
showpiece the bit that gets me though is

01:25:22.039 --> 01:25:26.600
the at what cost and and in that respect

01:25:26.680 --> 01:25:27.720


01:25:27.800 --> 01:25:33.840
the papers that page nine of

01:25:33.920 --> 01:25:37.520
the a label supplementary agenda 

01:25:37.600 --> 01:25:39.840
talks about a few key figures and that's

01:25:39.920 --> 01:25:42.760
you the budget for this allocated

01:25:42.840 --> 01:25:46.079
project was is currently sorry project

01:25:46.159 --> 01:25:48.000
currently has a budget of 5.2 million

01:25:48.079 --> 01:25:50.920
which included a insurance payout of

01:25:51.000 --> 01:25:52.880
2.82 today we're talking about an

01:25:52.960 --> 01:25:55.000
additional 2.6 and that's what this is

01:25:55.079 --> 01:25:59.560
about for me that doesn't stick real

01:25:59.640 --> 01:26:01.840
well a wobber house isn't used by

01:26:01.920 --> 01:26:04.560
everyone like I know it's awesome look

01:26:04.640 --> 01:26:06.800
at the renders it is great for those

01:26:06.880 --> 01:26:08.880
select few that use it it is absolutely

01:26:08.960 --> 01:26:12.439
brilliant there are sectors of the city

01:26:12.520 --> 01:26:14.000
that I suspect don't even know where it

01:26:14.079 --> 01:26:16.520
is and have certainly never DED there

01:26:16.600 --> 01:26:20.039
previously  and that's where I start

01:26:20.119 --> 01:26:22.399
to struggle like I I get it I would love

01:26:22.479 --> 01:26:26.520
this showpiece too I'm very annoyed at I

01:26:26.600 --> 01:26:28.399
think the process

01:26:28.479 --> 01:26:31.840
delay cost the fact that we've had to

01:26:31.920 --> 01:26:33.800
come back looking for more money I once

01:26:33.880 --> 01:26:35.720
again as a counselor and as a

01:26:35.800 --> 01:26:37.319
representative of residents and

01:26:37.399 --> 01:26:39.880
particularly rate payers when we need to

01:26:39.960 --> 01:26:42.319
come back and say hey we need more

01:26:42.399 --> 01:26:46.039
money that is never an easy or in my

01:26:46.119 --> 01:26:50.840
mind a good thing to do roads rates

01:26:50.920 --> 01:26:54.000
rubbish a wobber house I don't know

01:26:54.079 --> 01:26:55.399
that's that's why I start to struggle I

01:26:55.479 --> 01:26:57.359
said I'm not denying the social element

01:26:57.439 --> 01:27:03.800
economics I'm not so sold on I think on

01:27:03.880 --> 01:27:07.960
balance I can't support this  I know

01:27:08.039 --> 01:27:09.319
that puts me in odds with lots of people

01:27:09.399 --> 01:27:10.760
and I'm not saying that it's wrong to

01:27:10.840 --> 01:27:13.880
want to build it I get that I'm weighing

01:27:13.960 --> 01:27:15.600
up that social and economic

01:27:15.680 --> 01:27:17.399
responsibility piece in the sAMe way and

01:27:17.479 --> 01:27:19.640
there are no good decisions here we've

01:27:19.720 --> 01:27:21.399
had quite extensive discussion on this

01:27:21.479 --> 01:27:25.039
tonight and there is no easy

01:27:25.119 --> 01:27:27.439
out unfortunately confidentiality

01:27:27.520 --> 01:27:30.560
commercial confidentiality P  stops me

01:27:30.640 --> 01:27:32.800
from speaking more fully and making more

01:27:32.880 --> 01:27:34.079
sense in that regard but I think it's

01:27:34.159 --> 01:27:36.680
very clear that I'm uncomfortable with

01:27:36.760 --> 01:27:39.159
where we sit and when I weigh up Social

01:27:39.239 --> 01:27:43.359
benefit versus economic for me I arrive

01:27:43.439 --> 01:27:46.039
at a situation where I cannot support

01:27:46.119 --> 01:27:48.920
this this evening and I vote against it

01:27:49.000 --> 01:27:50.720
I I as I said I commend my other

01:27:50.800 --> 01:27:53.319
counselors for their social convictions

01:27:53.399 --> 01:27:55.760
however I cannot get to the sAMe place

01:27:55.840 --> 01:27:57.960
in my own mind thank you Madam May

01:27:58.039 --> 01:27:59.159
thank

01:27:59.239 --> 01:28:02.560
you councelor an thank you madAM Mayor

01:28:02.640 --> 01:28:05.439
I'd share the sAMe thoughts as councilor

01:28:05.520 --> 01:28:08.600
Pauling on this one admittedly this site

01:28:08.680 --> 01:28:11.000
has a lot of history for us  the first

01:28:11.079 --> 01:28:12.600
house did only last 10 years before it

01:28:12.680 --> 01:28:14.600
burnt down but hopefully that's nothing

01:28:14.680 --> 01:28:15.880
that there's going to be an ongoing

01:28:15.960 --> 01:28:18.239
Trend  but we did go to the community

01:28:18.319 --> 01:28:20.600
with a message in from following the

01:28:20.680 --> 01:28:22.720
fire in 2019 that was that we would

01:28:22.800 --> 01:28:24.720
reactivate this site in

01:28:24.800 --> 01:28:26.960
in some prec whether it's been talk of

01:28:27.039 --> 01:28:28.720
like for like whatever the term be we've

01:28:28.800 --> 01:28:30.720
gone back to the community and given the

01:28:30.800 --> 01:28:34.319
expectation that we'll be back I also

01:28:34.399 --> 01:28:36.079
would say there that we have a

01:28:36.159 --> 01:28:38.399
responsibility of the community around

01:28:38.479 --> 01:28:41.079
ensuring that as a council financial

01:28:41.159 --> 01:28:42.800
management and financial sustainability

01:28:42.880 --> 01:28:44.960
is key and high on our list we're only

01:28:45.039 --> 01:28:46.800
addressing some of that this this

01:28:46.880 --> 01:28:50.680
morning earlier today uh I also find

01:28:50.760 --> 01:28:54.039
struggle in while the projects or the

01:28:54.119 --> 01:28:55.760
the smaller projects that might be

01:28:55.840 --> 01:28:59.199
pushed out by Shifting the $2.6 million

01:28:59.279 --> 01:29:01.720
as been mentioned maybe they are smaller

01:29:01.800 --> 01:29:05.000
projects maybe they don't have that huge

01:29:05.079 --> 01:29:07.960
Figure Head to them I do take discomfort

01:29:08.039 --> 01:29:11.000
to an extent in some of those  we're

01:29:11.079 --> 01:29:14.039
taking from here to fund something that

01:29:14.119 --> 01:29:16.680
we've evidently whether it be inflation

01:29:16.760 --> 01:29:18.960
whether it be all those factors we we

01:29:19.039 --> 01:29:21.399
don't have the nber that we thought we

01:29:21.479 --> 01:29:24.760
did and I also look at the the Heritage

01:29:24.840 --> 01:29:27.720
piece this is an incredibly important

01:29:27.800 --> 01:29:29.920
and historic site there is a lot of lot

01:29:30.000 --> 01:29:31.359
of history and a lot of significance I

01:29:31.439 --> 01:29:33.479
don't think you would find many people

01:29:33.560 --> 01:29:36.239
who wouldn't have known of a w house

01:29:36.319 --> 01:29:37.359
they might not have been there but

01:29:37.439 --> 01:29:40.520
certainly they would have known of it 

01:29:40.600 --> 01:29:42.680
when we went through a similar ordeal

01:29:42.760 --> 01:29:44.720
with the Hunter Sports Center not that

01:29:44.800 --> 01:29:46.439
long ago I talked in this room about

01:29:46.520 --> 01:29:48.520
being brave as a

01:29:48.600 --> 01:29:50.960
council I think we have to be considered

01:29:51.039 --> 01:29:53.439
we can't always be brave on a project

01:29:53.520 --> 01:29:54.880
like that I I think the opportunity for

01:29:54.960 --> 01:29:57.880
Hunter Sports Center was that we we had

01:29:57.960 --> 01:29:59.960
a significant AMount of that funding

01:30:00.039 --> 01:30:01.159
that was coming from other sources we

01:30:01.239 --> 01:30:03.720
had a once in a lifetime once in a

01:30:03.800 --> 01:30:05.079
political generation whatever you want

01:30:05.159 --> 01:30:07.520
to call it opportunity I think in this

01:30:07.600 --> 01:30:09.119
scenario we need to be a little more

01:30:09.199 --> 01:30:11.279
considered I I don't believe now is the

01:30:11.359 --> 01:30:14.279
time to be reallocating this funding I

01:30:14.359 --> 01:30:17.159
won't be supporting this I do realize

01:30:17.239 --> 01:30:19.960
there are costs that come with taking

01:30:20.039 --> 01:30:22.119
one of those other options I certainly

01:30:22.199 --> 01:30:24.600
you know it's not a case of we walk away

01:30:24.680 --> 01:30:27.520
and take the insurance money we get and

01:30:27.600 --> 01:30:29.039
just walk away from the site I get there

01:30:29.119 --> 01:30:30.560
are costs that come with that but I

01:30:30.640 --> 01:30:32.680
certainly don't believe that now is the

01:30:32.760 --> 01:30:35.880
time to reallocate that  costs are

01:30:35.960 --> 01:30:37.840
increasing everywhere  some of the

01:30:37.920 --> 01:30:39.039
figures that we heard in the earlier

01:30:39.119 --> 01:30:40.319
session around the costs in the

01:30:40.399 --> 01:30:43.000
construction industry were frightening

01:30:43.079 --> 01:30:46.680
put simply  it makes me certainly

01:30:46.760 --> 01:30:48.640
cautious of all our projects that we

01:30:48.720 --> 01:30:50.600
look at and ensuring that we are

01:30:50.680 --> 01:30:53.600
balanced in our future planning as I

01:30:53.680 --> 01:30:56.800
said for me I don't think I don't think

01:30:56.880 --> 01:30:59.800
now is the right time I acknowledge the

01:30:59.880 --> 01:31:02.319
history acknowledge the Heritage value

01:31:02.399 --> 01:31:05.239
and the community connection but from a

01:31:05.319 --> 01:31:08.039
financial responsibility perspective I

01:31:08.119 --> 01:31:10.399
can't support this thank you Madam

01:31:10.479 --> 01:31:12.359
Mayor thank

01:31:12.439 --> 01:31:15.199
you  counselors I'll speak before I go

01:31:15.279 --> 01:31:17.880
to the next one I just uh I think we

01:31:17.960 --> 01:31:21.119
need to  consider what we're

01:31:21.199 --> 01:31:23.640
discussing here tonight we're discussing

01:31:23.720 --> 01:31:26.439
the the beautiful iconic historic a wber

01:31:26.520 --> 01:31:29.359
house that was burnt down in

01:31:29.439 --> 01:31:33.039
2019 and I remember the night very well

01:31:33.119 --> 01:31:35.079
I remember the outcry from the

01:31:35.159 --> 01:31:37.840
community I remember our promise and our

01:31:37.920 --> 01:31:39.479
commitment to the

01:31:39.560 --> 01:31:43.159
community we said and I said we will

01:31:43.239 --> 01:31:46.079
rebuild a wobber house we went out to

01:31:46.159 --> 01:31:48.840
the community and we set up a a

01:31:48.920 --> 01:31:53.000
community group of various people to

01:31:53.079 --> 01:31:54.439
come and disc

01:31:54.520 --> 01:31:57.720
discuss how a w house should

01:31:57.800 --> 01:32:00.680
look we approach the Heritage commission

01:32:00.760 --> 01:32:03.960
we approach another nber of different

01:32:04.039 --> 01:32:06.880
organizations it has been a very long

01:32:06.960 --> 01:32:10.840
process but sometimes here when we sit

01:32:10.920 --> 01:32:13.720
in this building we sit in

01:32:13.800 --> 01:32:16.279
Council we have to think about what's

01:32:16.359 --> 01:32:20.159
important to us now to me having

01:32:20.239 --> 01:32:24.119
Community facilities for our 217,000

01:32:24.199 --> 01:32:26.159
people are the most important things to

01:32:26.239 --> 01:32:28.680
me I would hate to think that this

01:32:28.760 --> 01:32:30.960
Council would think that libraries

01:32:31.039 --> 01:32:32.920
because they don't have a return and not

01:32:33.000 --> 01:32:35.199
valuable I'd hate to think that we would

01:32:35.279 --> 01:32:37.840
say swimming pools they don't give a

01:32:37.920 --> 01:32:40.760
return so we won't continue to have them

01:32:40.840 --> 01:32:43.279
for our communities or our playgrounds

01:32:43.359 --> 01:32:45.279
we haven't got a return on our

01:32:45.359 --> 01:32:47.880
playgrounds and our playgrounds cost a

01:32:47.960 --> 01:32:50.760
lot more than $2.6 million when we do up

01:32:50.840 --> 01:32:54.239
our fores shaes we do up our shared path

01:32:54.319 --> 01:32:57.560
Pathways these are all Community assets

01:32:57.640 --> 01:32:59.640
this is what our community loves about

01:32:59.720 --> 01:33:02.199
late mcquarry that we provide this

01:33:02.279 --> 01:33:03.479
fantastic

01:33:03.560 --> 01:33:05.880
lifestyle and not everyone uses our

01:33:05.960 --> 01:33:08.399
walkways not everyone uses our pools not

01:33:08.479 --> 01:33:10.960
everyone has used a wobber house but

01:33:11.039 --> 01:33:13.479
they're all important they're all

01:33:13.560 --> 01:33:16.960
significant and a wobber house is Iconic

01:33:17.039 --> 01:33:18.960
it is part of Lake

01:33:19.039 --> 01:33:22.239
mcari I think I I don't know of many

01:33:22.319 --> 01:33:24.079
people who don't know or have heard of a

01:33:24.159 --> 01:33:28.199
wobber house it is an AMazing location

01:33:28.279 --> 01:33:29.800
I've been to many weddings we heard from

01:33:29.880 --> 01:33:32.600
the deputy Mayor you know we know how

01:33:32.680 --> 01:33:34.520
iconic it is we know how important this

01:33:34.600 --> 01:33:36.479
will be when it's

01:33:36.560 --> 01:33:39.319
rebuilt this is a tourism mecca for us

01:33:39.399 --> 01:33:42.199
in Lake MacQuariei it's not just about the

01:33:42.279 --> 01:33:44.319
return on the wobber house it's about

01:33:44.399 --> 01:33:47.199
that whole area it's what we do here

01:33:47.279 --> 01:33:49.479
we're talking about tourism bringing

01:33:49.560 --> 01:33:52.880
people to our city to  enjoy the

01:33:52.960 --> 01:33:54.920
lifestyle a wobber house is going to be

01:33:55.000 --> 01:33:56.720
part of that lifestyle it's going to

01:33:56.800 --> 01:33:59.439
encourage people to come here I think

01:33:59.520 --> 01:34:01.239
it's important that we honor our

01:34:01.319 --> 01:34:03.319
commitment I understand there's new

01:34:03.399 --> 01:34:06.720
counselors here but we have discussed a

01:34:06.800 --> 01:34:08.560
wobber house for the last four years we

01:34:08.640 --> 01:34:11.239
have talked about it at Council we all

01:34:11.319 --> 01:34:12.920
made a commitment to

01:34:13.000 --> 01:34:15.800
proceed so counselor I think this is a

01:34:15.880 --> 01:34:18.680
time for us to stand up and honor our

01:34:18.760 --> 01:34:20.479
commitment to the community and that's

01:34:20.560 --> 01:34:22.760
what I will be doing I will not let the

01:34:22.840 --> 01:34:24.359
community down by by voting against a

01:34:24.439 --> 01:34:27.000
wobber house to be rebuilt and I'm very

01:34:27.079 --> 01:34:28.399
proud to be saying that tonight

01:34:28.479 --> 01:34:30.279
counselors and I hope that the

01:34:30.359 --> 01:34:31.920
counselors here will all

01:34:32.000 --> 01:34:33.960
reconsider their decision when it comes

01:34:34.039 --> 01:34:36.439
to voting I think you should be on the

01:34:36.520 --> 01:34:38.840
right side of history and be on the

01:34:38.920 --> 01:34:41.560
right side of what's right for this

01:34:41.640 --> 01:34:44.880
community councilor Warner thanks Madam

01:34:44.960 --> 01:34:47.439
Mayor  I see it a bit differently to

01:34:47.520 --> 01:34:49.520
how it's been discussed tonight  some

01:34:49.600 --> 01:34:53.079
of the concerns I think we  I I speak

01:34:53.159 --> 01:34:55.439
in favor of this to start that we need

01:34:55.520 --> 01:34:58.640
to  sometimes make difficult decisions

01:34:58.720 --> 01:35:02.399
to  you you know in this particular

01:35:02.479 --> 01:35:04.640
situation we have made a promise to the

01:35:04.720 --> 01:35:07.359
community and it's unfortunate that we

01:35:07.439 --> 01:35:09.479
need to reallocate funds from other

01:35:09.560 --> 01:35:13.800
places but in order to  relive this 

01:35:13.880 --> 01:35:17.159
iconic building that  may need to take

01:35:17.239 --> 01:35:20.159
place however I do note we have talked a

01:35:20.239 --> 01:35:21.920
lot about tonight in our operational

01:35:22.000 --> 01:35:24.159
plan that it's about balance and when I

01:35:24.239 --> 01:35:26.680
look at the Strategic priorities  you

01:35:26.760 --> 01:35:28.960
know I think that's this is in alignment

01:35:29.039 --> 01:35:31.359
with that I don't see this as a project

01:35:31.439 --> 01:35:33.319
in and of itself it's actually

01:35:33.399 --> 01:35:36.399
connecting other areas such as the makup

01:35:36.479 --> 01:35:40.000
Pang area  so it is about actually

01:35:40.079 --> 01:35:42.239
raising our profile which is under our

01:35:42.319 --> 01:35:45.279
diverse economy  strategy around 

01:35:45.359 --> 01:35:48.039
becoming a desirable visitor destination

01:35:48.119 --> 01:35:50.760
it's about actually creating a 

01:35:50.840 --> 01:35:54.279
Community benefit an area that does uh a

01:35:54.359 --> 01:35:56.640
a house  not just a house it's a

01:35:56.720 --> 01:36:00.199
function Center and restaurant a

01:36:00.279 --> 01:36:03.399
facility that will complement uh the

01:36:03.479 --> 01:36:06.279
tourism places that are already around

01:36:06.359 --> 01:36:09.720
it and we'll create a link  between

01:36:09.800 --> 01:36:12.159
the makup Pang and Warner's Bay and the

01:36:12.239 --> 01:36:14.640
artwor that we have there so I actually

01:36:14.720 --> 01:36:17.079
see that it actually does fit within our

01:36:17.159 --> 01:36:19.680
strategic priorities  it is about

01:36:19.760 --> 01:36:21.319
balance I understand that in our

01:36:21.399 --> 01:36:24.159
operational plan however I think it

01:36:24.239 --> 01:36:26.359
neatly fits in to our connected

01:36:26.439 --> 01:36:28.680
communities and our cre creativity and

01:36:28.760 --> 01:36:30.319
the culture facilities that we want to

01:36:30.399 --> 01:36:32.159
grow and the tourism sector that we want

01:36:32.239 --> 01:36:35.319
to grow and to make this place  a an

01:36:35.399 --> 01:36:37.479
offering and to be a desirable place to

01:36:37.560 --> 01:36:40.640
come I think this will add to that  so

01:36:40.720 --> 01:36:43.479
it is unfortunate that we have to re

01:36:43.560 --> 01:36:45.600
reallocate but it's not to say that that

01:36:45.680 --> 01:36:48.439
comes  that won't be done at all I

01:36:48.520 --> 01:36:51.680
think this just simply improves  and

01:36:51.760 --> 01:36:54.039
enhances what we already have so I'll be

01:36:54.119 --> 01:36:56.279
speaking in support of it thank you

01:36:56.359 --> 01:36:57.640
thank you Council

01:36:57.720 --> 01:37:00.159
Warner Council schz you have spoken you

01:37:00.239 --> 01:37:01.760
it's a question I do have a couple of

01:37:01.840 --> 01:37:04.920
questions if I may  just looking at

01:37:05.000 --> 01:37:09.079
our our papers here page six uh just for

01:37:09.159 --> 01:37:11.800
uh if if I can get a comment or from

01:37:11.880 --> 01:37:15.600
staff  in terms of the insurance

01:37:15.680 --> 01:37:18.239
proceeds so a wobber house burnt down as

01:37:18.319 --> 01:37:21.760
I understand it on page six it refers to

01:37:21.840 --> 01:37:25.279
two Council receiving $2.8 million in

01:37:25.359 --> 01:37:28.960
insurance proceeds as part of of this

01:37:29.039 --> 01:37:33.399
proposal uh if Council does not proceed

01:37:33.479 --> 01:37:36.119
uh with the the rebuilding we will only

01:37:36.199 --> 01:37:40.520
receive $880,000 in proceeds from

01:37:40.600 --> 01:37:43.199
insurance so just doing some simple

01:37:43.279 --> 01:37:46.199
maths if Council does not proceed with

01:37:46.279 --> 01:37:50.199
this proposal we will lose

01:37:50.279 --> 01:37:54.520
$1,920 th000 in proceeds from our

01:37:54.600 --> 01:37:56.800
insurer is that

01:37:56.880 --> 01:37:58.640
correct

01:37:58.720 --> 01:38:03.720
 M CAMeron do you nothing versus this

01:38:03.800 --> 01:38:05.640
Mr ladan Mr

01:38:05.720 --> 01:38:09.520
ladan thank you Madam MRE the the do

01:38:09.600 --> 01:38:11.359
nothing option where if we don't build

01:38:11.439 --> 01:38:13.920
anything we get the 880 whereas to get

01:38:14.000 --> 01:38:15.840
the full replacement value of $2.8

01:38:15.920 --> 01:38:18.119
million would require us to build

01:38:18.199 --> 01:38:20.760
something of uh similar or greater value

01:38:20.840 --> 01:38:22.359
to the original

01:38:22.439 --> 01:38:24.039
building

01:38:24.119 --> 01:38:27.720
so is it fair to say if we do not

01:38:27.800 --> 01:38:30.720
proceed uh we will lose

01:38:30.800 --> 01:38:35.600
1,920 th000 in proceeds from our insurer

01:38:35.680 --> 01:38:38.000
Mr L through you Madam May that would

01:38:38.079 --> 01:38:40.359
be the reduction in funds for insur

01:38:40.439 --> 01:38:42.560
correct thank

01:38:42.640 --> 01:38:47.119
you that's all thank you cancer grig oh

01:38:47.199 --> 01:38:50.000
MadAM May thank you  I uh I'm just

01:38:50.079 --> 01:38:51.680
wondering there's been a lot of talk on

01:38:51.760 --> 01:38:53.439
this  there's been a lot of questions

01:38:53.520 --> 01:38:55.600
last I think we kind of know how we're

01:38:55.680 --> 01:38:57.319
going to vote I want just W you can I

01:38:57.399 --> 01:39:00.640
just move that we put the motion

01:39:08.479 --> 01:39:12.279
please can we ban it from

01:39:22.359 --> 01:39:24.520
speaking

01:39:24.600 --> 01:39:28.000
thank you Madam Mayor  look I'm well

01:39:28.079 --> 01:39:31.520
I'll try and be  I'm just following on

01:39:31.600 --> 01:39:35.560
from councelor Schulz  in respect

01:39:35.640 --> 01:39:39.479
to the options that we have do nothing

01:39:39.560 --> 01:39:43.560
means that we the council the community

01:39:43.640 --> 01:39:46.479
doesn't get anything out of it  we

01:39:46.560 --> 01:39:47.680
lose

01:39:47.760 --> 01:39:50.000
1.9

01:39:50.079 --> 01:39:54.560
million  if we do something else

01:39:54.640 --> 01:39:58.439
if we if we say let's let's just do it

01:39:58.520 --> 01:40:02.199
by half so we we look at  doing part

01:40:02.279 --> 01:40:04.399
of it now and part of it

01:40:04.479 --> 01:40:08.399
later the costs are going to go up 

01:40:08.479 --> 01:40:10.199
exorbitantly I would think because

01:40:10.279 --> 01:40:13.279
they're going up exor at the moment we

01:40:13.359 --> 01:40:17.640
have a  a situation where we can we

01:40:17.720 --> 01:40:21.640
have a a a a stay on the cost at the

01:40:21.720 --> 01:40:24.119
moment 

01:40:24.199 --> 01:40:28.119
it's going to cost us uh Council an

01:40:28.199 --> 01:40:29.479
extra

01:40:29.560 --> 01:40:34.680
200 6 million that we've found in our

01:40:34.760 --> 01:40:37.319
budget it's not going to affect any of

01:40:37.399 --> 01:40:41.960
our operational plans  it means that

01:40:42.039 --> 01:40:43.840
these things can still happen but they

01:40:43.920 --> 01:40:45.680
will happen a little bit further down

01:40:45.760 --> 01:40:47.439
the track and they're not really going

01:40:47.520 --> 01:40:50.960
to affect the workings of those 

01:40:51.039 --> 01:40:54.000
assets that we have as far as I'm

01:40:54.079 --> 01:40:55.720
concerned it's a

01:40:55.800 --> 01:40:59.359
no-brainer  I think we've got to bite

01:40:59.439 --> 01:41:03.119
the bullet and say yes we will go with

01:41:03.199 --> 01:41:05.000
the recommendation that's what I will be

01:41:05.079 --> 01:41:07.840
voting for I know it's a hard decision I

01:41:07.920 --> 01:41:10.720
know it's a decision that  people are

01:41:10.800 --> 01:41:12.840
are grappling with at the moment but I

01:41:12.920 --> 01:41:16.840
do think that this is another in in 

01:41:16.920 --> 01:41:18.880
opportunity or not opportunity but this

01:41:18.960 --> 01:41:21.399
is another instance where we need to be

01:41:21.479 --> 01:41:24.760
brave  where we need to make a

01:41:24.840 --> 01:41:28.079
decision I think it's a calculated risk

01:41:28.159 --> 01:41:30.479
that we're taking  for the reasons

01:41:30.560 --> 01:41:34.520
that I've stated and so my  I'll be

01:41:34.600 --> 01:41:37.199
urging I'll be voting yes and I'll be

01:41:37.279 --> 01:41:39.199
urging my other counselors to vote Yes

01:41:39.279 --> 01:41:42.239
as well thank

01:41:42.840 --> 01:41:45.159
you thanks Madam Mayor look I'll be

01:41:45.239 --> 01:41:47.239
very very very brief councilor Griggs I

01:41:47.319 --> 01:41:50.800
won't take your time  the just in

01:41:50.880 --> 01:41:53.119
smary Council and many of the coun

01:41:53.199 --> 01:41:55.000
councelors on this Council actually made

01:41:55.079 --> 01:41:57.079
this commitment before I becAMe a

01:41:57.159 --> 01:42:00.359
counselor to actually rebuild this this

01:42:00.439 --> 01:42:02.800
facility uh to build this rebuild this

01:42:02.880 --> 01:42:03.840
Heritage

01:42:03.920 --> 01:42:07.159
Place we have made that commitment

01:42:07.239 --> 01:42:09.199
tonight we can actually make that

01:42:09.279 --> 01:42:10.680
commitment happen and that's the

01:42:10.760 --> 01:42:12.600
important part and it's whether we stand

01:42:12.680 --> 01:42:14.199
by convictions or whether we choose to

01:42:14.279 --> 01:42:17.840
step away from our convictions and  I

01:42:17.920 --> 01:42:20.439
think that our community deserves us to

01:42:20.520 --> 01:42:23.640
stand up and say yes we offered you this

01:42:23.720 --> 01:42:27.880
and we're going to do it thank

01:42:29.279 --> 01:42:31.800
you I'm off again that has now closed

01:42:31.880 --> 01:42:35.159
the debate I'll now put 24 SP 019 a

01:42:35.239 --> 01:42:37.560
wobber house revitalization project

01:42:37.640 --> 01:42:39.520
moved by councilor Bishop second by

01:42:39.600 --> 01:42:41.119
Council grig and I'll do that by sh

01:42:41.199 --> 01:42:44.079
hands all those in favor Council Aden

01:42:44.159 --> 01:42:46.199
Council Conroy Council grig Council

01:42:46.279 --> 01:42:48.359
beler Council Bishop councelor Schulz

01:42:48.439 --> 01:42:49.800
councel Buckley Council Warner Council

01:42:49.880 --> 01:42:52.119
FR against councelor ancliffe and

01:42:52.199 --> 01:42:55.000
councelor Paulie declare it carried

01:42:55.079 --> 01:42:56.680
thank you

01:42:56.760 --> 01:42:59.119
counselors and I do

01:42:59.199 --> 01:43:02.640
believe that is the end of our meeting

01:43:02.720 --> 01:43:04.600
so I'll declare the meeting closed thank

01:43:04.680 --> 01:43:06.079
you very

01:43:06.159 --> 01:43:08.920
much thank you I now ask members of the

01:43:09.000 --> 01:43:12.399
community to leave the

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gallery


