WEBVTT 00:00:00.920 --> 00:00:02.640 Councilors Ladies and Gentlemen please 00:00:02.720 --> 00:00:04.879 stand if you're able for the Mayor of 00:00:04.960 --> 00:00:08.599 Lake MacQuarie councilor Kay 00:00:28.960 --> 00:00:31.960 Fraser 00:00:40.200 --> 00:00:42.200 councilors I invite you to pause before 00:00:42.280 --> 00:00:44.240 we begin this meeting to reflect on the 00:00:44.320 --> 00:00:46.479 responsibilities you have in making 00:00:46.560 --> 00:00:48.880 decisions on the matters before you as 00:00:48.960 --> 00:00:50.799 elected representatives we have a duty 00:00:50.880 --> 00:00:53.039 to carefully consider the implications 00:00:53.119 --> 00:00:55.439 of the decision would we make and strive 00:00:55.520 --> 00:00:57.439 to act in the best interest of our 00:00:57.520 --> 00:00:59.600 community I remind you that the local 00:00:59.679 --> 00:01:01.840 government act requires us to act 00:01:01.920 --> 00:01:04.040 honestly and exercise care and diligence 00:01:04.120 --> 00:01:06.280 in carrying out our functions and to 00:01:06.359 --> 00:01:08.280 conduct our meetings constructively in 00:01:08.359 --> 00:01:09.920 courtesy in accordance with our code of 00:01:10.000 --> 00:01:12.879 meeting practice is incbent upon us to 00:01:12.959 --> 00:01:15.400 be open transparent honest and 00:01:15.480 --> 00:01:16.799 accountable for our actions and 00:01:16.879 --> 00:01:19.200 decisions and to demonstrate respect for 00:01:19.280 --> 00:01:21.040 each other and to the staff and members 00:01:21.120 --> 00:01:25.560 of the of the public present please be 00:01:28.840 --> 00:01:31.159 seated 00:01:31.239 --> 00:01:33.159 and welcome everyone it's great to see a 00:01:33.239 --> 00:01:36.439 nearly a full Gallery here so before 00:01:36.519 --> 00:01:38.560 opening the meeting this evening I must 00:01:38.640 --> 00:01:40.359 remind councilors and members of the 00:01:40.439 --> 00:01:42.560 gallery that meetings of standing 00:01:42.640 --> 00:01:44.799 committee and Council are recorded and 00:01:44.879 --> 00:01:47.480 webcast the public gallery is included 00:01:47.560 --> 00:01:49.920 in the recording and webcast members of 00:01:50.000 --> 00:01:51.480 the public attending a meeting may have 00:01:51.560 --> 00:01:53.799 their image and voice captured webcast 00:01:53.879 --> 00:01:56.560 and archive by Council by attending a 00:01:56.640 --> 00:01:58.319 standing committee or council meeting 00:01:58.400 --> 00:02:00.480 you consent to your image speech or 00:02:00.560 --> 00:02:02.159 other personal information being webcast 00:02:02.239 --> 00:02:04.840 and recorded please ensure your mobile 00:02:04.920 --> 00:02:06.920 phones are turned off or on 00:02:07.000 --> 00:02:09.240 silent and I remind you that recording 00:02:09.319 --> 00:02:11.960 of council is not permitted please 00:02:12.039 --> 00:02:13.560 be mindful in the gallery that 00:02:13.639 --> 00:02:15.800 discussion among yourselves can be make 00:02:15.879 --> 00:02:17.639 it very difficult for councilors to hear 00:02:17.719 --> 00:02:20.159 one another during the debate I now 00:02:20.240 --> 00:02:22.719 declare the meeting open and welcome 00:02:22.800 --> 00:02:25.080 councilor staff and members of the 00:02:25.159 --> 00:02:27.759 community here 00:02:27.840 --> 00:02:30.400 tonight and I'd like to also so 00:02:30.479 --> 00:02:32.680 acknowledge the Awabakal people the original 00:02:32.759 --> 00:02:34.960 caretakers of the land where I live and 00:02:35.039 --> 00:02:38.319 work and pay respects to Elders past 00:02:38.400 --> 00:02:39.879 present and future generations of 00:02:39.960 --> 00:02:41.960 knowledge holds of this country for they 00:02:42.039 --> 00:02:43.680 hold the traditions the culture and the 00:02:43.759 --> 00:02:46.120 history of this 00:02:46.199 --> 00:02:52.039 land councilors I'll now call for 00:02:53.080 --> 00:02:56.000 apologies we have councilor Bak 00:02:56.080 --> 00:02:58.479 moving apologies for councilor Shultz do 00:02:58.560 --> 00:03:00.319 I have a second councilor Bishop thank 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:02.879 you I'll put that all those in 00:03:02.960 --> 00:03:05.159 favour against I'll hear that carried 00:03:05.240 --> 00:03:08.719 thank you councilor declarations of 00:03:08.800 --> 00:03:12.439 interest in the matters in front of us 00:03:13.199 --> 00:03:16.240 tonight councilor Bishop thank you 00:03:16.319 --> 00:03:19.560 Madame Mayor I'm redeclaring my 00:03:19.639 --> 00:03:25.000 interest in 24 SP 010 the council 00:03:25.080 --> 00:03:27.479 site inspection Charlestown 15 Princes 00:03:27.560 --> 00:03:29.919 Avenue I have a close personal friend 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:32.400 in that street and I will be leaving the 00:03:32.479 --> 00:03:34.680 chamber thank you leaving the chamber 00:03:34.759 --> 00:03:37.520 thank you thank 00:03:38.280 --> 00:03:40.840 you councilor Pauling thank you Madame 00:03:40.919 --> 00:03:43.319 Mayor I wish to restate my 00:03:43.400 --> 00:03:47.039 declaration of interest in relation to 00:03:47.759 --> 00:03:50.639 24001 in that I'm not aware of a 00:03:50.719 --> 00:03:52.599 direct conflict but it is possible 00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:55.639 certainly there is potential in my 00:03:55.719 --> 00:03:58.840 day work that if I could interact 00:03:58.919 --> 00:04:01.199 with one of of the parties involved I 00:04:01.280 --> 00:04:03.400 would accordingly I declare a 00:04:03.479 --> 00:04:04.759 significant interest and I will be 00:04:04.840 --> 00:04:06.960 leaving significant non pecuniary and I 00:04:07.039 --> 00:04:08.199 will be leaving the chamber for that 00:04:08.280 --> 00:04:11.400 matter if it facilitates this evening 00:04:11.479 --> 00:04:13.120 I'm happy to exit for the entirety of 00:04:13.199 --> 00:04:15.120 organizational servic standing committee 00:04:15.199 --> 00:04:17.519 Madame Mayor okay for the two for the 00:04:17.600 --> 00:04:21.879 two items yeah thank 00:04:21.959 --> 00:04:25.480 you councilor Buckley thank you Madame 00:04:25.560 --> 00:04:28.720 Mayor I'd like to declare a 00:04:28.800 --> 00:04:30.959 non-pecuniary less than significant 00:04:31.040 --> 00:04:34.920 interest in 24 SP 00:04:35.000 --> 00:04:37.959 010 Council s inspection Charlestown 00:04:38.040 --> 00:04:40.399 15 Princess Avenue multi-dwelling 00:04:40.480 --> 00:04:43.399 housing and strata subdivision at 00:04:43.480 --> 00:04:46.360 Charlestown the planner lives in my 00:04:46.439 --> 00:04:48.800 street but I will remain in this chamber 00:04:48.879 --> 00:04:51.000 for discussion and voting thank you 00:04:51.079 --> 00:04:52.519 thank you very 00:04:52.600 --> 00:04:56.079 much Council Grigg thank you Madame Mayor 00:04:56.160 --> 00:04:59.600 I'm declaring a significant but 00:04:59.680 --> 00:05:03.199 non-pecuniary interest in 00:05:03.279 --> 00:05:08.120 24001 in that Gateway Care Hunter I know 00:05:08.199 --> 00:05:10.160 am familiar with that organization and I 00:05:10.240 --> 00:05:11.959 know people who belong to it and I will 00:05:12.040 --> 00:05:15.439 be removing myself from the chamber okay 00:05:15.519 --> 00:05:17.279 Council Pauling indicated that the 00:05:17.360 --> 00:05:19.920 two matters could be moved together 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:21.920 is that an issue would would you like me 00:05:22.000 --> 00:05:23.519 to separate the two items in 00:05:23.600 --> 00:05:25.000 organizational Services standing 00:05:25.079 --> 00:05:27.240 committee counselor 00:05:27.319 --> 00:05:30.120 Grigg thank you 00:05:30.199 --> 00:05:32.720 thank you very 00:05:37.439 --> 00:05:41.360 much Council will now move on to our 00:05:41.439 --> 00:05:44.680 confirmation of minutes so our first one 00:05:44.759 --> 00:05:46.319 is the ordinary council meeting held on 00:05:46.399 --> 00:05:49.959 the 11th of December 00:05:50.040 --> 00:05:52.120 2023 you're moving that the minutes are 00:05:52.199 --> 00:05:53.560 correct and accurate thank you council 00:05:53.639 --> 00:05:55.839 Belcher do I have a Second Councilor Grigg 00:05:55.920 --> 00:05:58.399 thank you I'll put that all those in 00:05:58.480 --> 00:06:00.639 favour against look that carried thank 00:06:00.720 --> 00:06:03.399 you councilor confirmation of the 00:06:03.480 --> 00:06:04.720 development of planning standing 00:06:04.800 --> 00:06:07.800 committee on the 12th of February 2024 I 00:06:07.879 --> 00:06:10.199 moved their accurate record councilor 00:06:10.279 --> 00:06:12.759 Warner thank you very much councilor 00:06:12.839 --> 00:06:14.680 Bishop you're seconding that thank you 00:06:14.759 --> 00:06:17.720 put that all those in favour I 00:06:17.800 --> 00:06:19.839 against clear that carried thank you 00:06:19.920 --> 00:06:22.160 very 00:06:24.439 --> 00:06:27.800 much councilor's presentation 00:06:27.879 --> 00:06:31.160 nil Mayoral Minute 00:06:31.240 --> 00:06:33.920 nil we'll now move on to the 00:06:34.000 --> 00:06:35.279 recommendations of the standing 00:06:35.360 --> 00:06:37.439 committee I note that councilor Pauling 00:06:37.519 --> 00:06:40.839 and Council AG gri you're leaving the 00:06:45.160 --> 00:06:48.759 chamber Council Adamthwaite you're moving 00:06:48.839 --> 00:06:53.000 the two matters 24 RS001 and 24 RS002 00:06:53.079 --> 00:06:55.079 together do I have a 00:06:55.160 --> 00:06:57.920 second councilor Warner thank you very 00:06:58.000 --> 00:07:01.279 much and if there's no discussion I'll 00:07:01.360 --> 00:07:04.000 put that all those in favour Council 00:07:04.079 --> 00:07:06.399 Adamthwaite councilor Antcliff Council Conroy 00:07:06.480 --> 00:07:08.720 Council Belcher councilor Bishop Council 00:07:08.800 --> 00:07:10.600 Buckley councilor Warner councilor Fraser 00:07:10.680 --> 00:07:13.879 declared that carry thank you 00:07:28.319 --> 00:07:31.319 councilors 00:07:32.839 --> 00:07:34.839 Councilor Grigg and Councilor Pauling has 00:07:34.920 --> 00:07:37.079 returned to the chamber we'll move on to 00:07:37.160 --> 00:07:39.399 the next item in our business paper 00:07:39.480 --> 00:07:41.600 General business standing committee we 00:07:41.680 --> 00:07:44.519 have four items that we dealt with 00:07:44.600 --> 00:07:46.480 last fortnight someone wishing to move 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:48.759 them as printed Council Grigg thank you 00:07:48.839 --> 00:07:49.759 very 00:07:49.839 --> 00:07:52.240 much as a block the general business yes 00:07:52.319 --> 00:07:54.920 we've done that thank you do I have a 00:07:55.000 --> 00:07:58.199 second councilor Pauling thank you I'll 00:07:58.279 --> 00:08:01.279 put that all those in favour councilor 00:08:01.360 --> 00:08:03.560 Adamthwaite councilor Antcliff councilor Conroy 00:08:03.639 --> 00:08:05.560 councilor Grigg councilor Belcher councilor 00:08:05.639 --> 00:08:07.839 Pauling councilor Bishop councilor Buckley 00:08:07.920 --> 00:08:09.399 councilor Warner councilor Fraser 00:08:09.480 --> 00:08:12.439 declare that carried thank you 00:08:12.519 --> 00:08:14.680 councilors councilors business arising 00:08:14.759 --> 00:08:16.639 from public forum had four public 00:08:16.720 --> 00:08:19.759 forums earlier on this afternoon 00:08:19.839 --> 00:08:24.199 Councilor Bishop you're wishing 00:08:26.360 --> 00:08:28.800 to you're wishing to move the public 00:08:28.879 --> 00:08:33.399 forums thank you madam Mayor yeah and 00:08:33.480 --> 00:08:36.240 I just we note the information 00:08:36.320 --> 00:08:38.399 provided at public forum regarding Rye 00:08:38.480 --> 00:08:43.360 Point Ramsgate estate Colpoint 133 Colpoint Road 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:46.519 and demolition and of existing dwellings 00:08:46.600 --> 00:08:50.120 and new dwelling house and review 00:08:50.200 --> 00:08:52.080 greater assistance to the residents 00:08:52.159 --> 00:08:55.679 impacted by ? ? change and confirms 00:08:55.759 --> 00:08:57.559 the items will be addressed later in the 00:08:57.639 --> 00:08:59.080 agenda thank you do I have a second 00:08:59.159 --> 00:09:00.639 second for that Council councilor Grigg 00:09:00.720 --> 00:09:02.759 thank 00:09:02.840 --> 00:09:05.279 you so because there was so many of it 00:09:05.360 --> 00:09:08.080 I'll I'll put that not that it's a 00:09:08.159 --> 00:09:09.799 motion but I'll put that to the 00:09:09.879 --> 00:09:12.399 councilors all those in favour 00:09:12.480 --> 00:09:14.320 councilor Adamthwaite councel Antcliff councilor 00:09:14.399 --> 00:09:16.159 Conroy councilor Grigg Councilor Belcher 00:09:16.240 --> 00:09:18.000 Counciorl Pauling Councilor Bishop Councilor 00:09:18.080 --> 00:09:21.919 Buckley Council Warner Councilor Fraser thank 00:09:22.159 --> 00:09:24.679 you councilors will now move on to our 00:09:24.759 --> 00:09:27.159 special 00:09:28.120 --> 00:09:31.120 reports 00:09:32.720 --> 00:09:35.639 our first special reports from the 00:09:35.720 --> 00:09:38.200 chief executive officer we have two 00:09:38.279 --> 00:09:41.279 councilor the first one is the December 00:09:41.360 --> 00:09:43.960 review of the operational plan 2023 to 00:09:44.039 --> 00:09:47.159 2024 and 00:09:48.320 --> 00:09:50.240 budget councilor Pauling you're 00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:51.600 moving that councilor buckler you're 00:09:51.679 --> 00:09:54.399 seconding that thank 00:09:54.480 --> 00:09:57.000 you Council Paul you wishing to speak at 00:09:57.080 --> 00:09:59.639 all very 00:09:59.720 --> 00:10:01.480 again typically these reports sail 00:10:01.559 --> 00:10:03.159 through without some sometimes they 00:10:03.240 --> 00:10:05.000 don't get the fair fair Fan Fair that 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:07.200 they deserve on the way past and 00:10:07.279 --> 00:10:08.759 there's a couple of key things that jp 00:10:08.840 --> 00:10:10.840 out at me once from a financial 00:10:10.919 --> 00:10:12.919 perspective forecast at this point 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:15.480 we're looking to forecast of 1.3 million 00:10:15.559 --> 00:10:17.639 for the full year operating Surplus 00:10:17.720 --> 00:10:19.639 and from a capital perspective we're 00:10:19.720 --> 00:10:21.919 still running pretty hot in terms of 00:10:22.000 --> 00:10:23.600 118 million which I think is probably 00:10:23.679 --> 00:10:25.679 draws the upper end of our capacity as a 00:10:25.759 --> 00:10:29.039 rule and so there are still lots of 00:10:29.120 --> 00:10:31.080 pretty good things happening in the city 00:10:31.159 --> 00:10:33.840 that said we have got a couple of 00:10:33.919 --> 00:10:35.960 projects from the operational plan that 00:10:36.039 --> 00:10:38.720 are off track currently and so those 00:10:38.799 --> 00:10:40.360 that read the report will acknowledge 00:10:40.440 --> 00:10:43.240 those but the key bit being of the 149 00:10:43.320 --> 00:10:45.759 total actions 134 are currently on 00:10:45.840 --> 00:10:48.440 tracked seven are completed and we have 00:10:48.519 --> 00:10:50.519 eight that remain opportuni for 00:10:50.600 --> 00:10:51.919 improvement that we need to get back on 00:10:52.000 --> 00:10:54.559 track so overall Madam M I think this is 00:10:54.639 --> 00:10:57.399 a appropriate praise Commendation for 00:10:57.480 --> 00:10:59.960 the CEO and her staff in that this 00:11:00.039 --> 00:11:02.360 report continues to paint us in a pretty 00:11:02.440 --> 00:11:04.159 good light across the board thank you 00:11:04.240 --> 00:11:07.320 Madame thank you Council Pauling 00:11:07.399 --> 00:11:09.600 councilor Buckley thank you Madame Mayor 00:11:09.679 --> 00:11:11.919 look I Echo councel pauling's 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:14.360 comments and some of the things that 00:11:14.440 --> 00:11:16.519 I thought were highlighted in that 00:11:16.600 --> 00:11:18.639 report things that are happening 00:11:18.720 --> 00:11:21.080 around the area like our Hunter Sports 00:11:21.159 --> 00:11:23.919 Center expansion it's progressing 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:26.480 well we had the opening of the Trevor 00:11:26.559 --> 00:11:28.440 height athletic testing facility there 00:11:28.519 --> 00:11:32.840 just recently we've had the Alton 00:11:32.919 --> 00:11:34.840 Road and Freeman's Drive project at 00:11:34.919 --> 00:11:38.080 kurin bong it's been opened 00:11:38.159 --> 00:11:41.559 the we've had 103 nominations 00:11:41.639 --> 00:11:43.360 received for our Lake Mach Awards which 00:11:43.440 --> 00:11:46.759 I think is the biggest or the most 00:11:46.840 --> 00:11:50.639 nominations that we've had up until 00:11:50.720 --> 00:11:53.159 now we've had our physical loans from 00:11:53.240 --> 00:11:55.600 our Lake Mac libraries up 00:11:55.679 --> 00:11:59.120 4.9% which is I think a a real really 00:11:59.200 --> 00:12:02.000 good outcome and that's the first 00:12:02.080 --> 00:12:04.559 time that there's been an increase in 10 00:12:04.639 --> 00:12:08.159 years and as far as the Arts are 00:12:08.240 --> 00:12:10.759 concerned Council has acquired the Uncle 00:12:10.840 --> 00:12:12.120 Jim Ridgeway 00:12:12.200 --> 00:12:15.840 collection and this is a significant 00:12:15.919 --> 00:12:19.480 block of work and it'll be 00:12:19.559 --> 00:12:23.320 exhibited in October this year so 00:12:23.399 --> 00:12:24.960 there's there's a lot that's happening 00:12:25.039 --> 00:12:27.440 in Lake mcari and if you have a look in 00:12:27.519 --> 00:12:30.639 at that report the program it it 00:12:30.720 --> 00:12:34.039 gives you a good idea of what we're 00:12:34.120 --> 00:12:37.279 doing where our money is being spent 00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:39.799 and the fact that we have a good 00:12:39.879 --> 00:12:42.600 Financial outcome I think goes well 00:12:42.679 --> 00:12:44.799 for our future thank you madam May thank 00:12:44.879 --> 00:12:47.480 you Council Buckley and Council 00:12:47.559 --> 00:12:49.519 Pauling it's true it needs to be called 00:12:49.600 --> 00:12:52.440 out I think the December review of 00:12:52.519 --> 00:12:54.799 the operational plan of budget is very 00:12:54.879 --> 00:12:57.480 pleasing at the end of of the 00:12:57.559 --> 00:13:00.279 December quarter we are projecting 95% 00:13:00.360 --> 00:13:04.039 of actions will be achieved for 2023 24 00:13:04.120 --> 00:13:07.480 that's a pretty high nber 95% the 00:13:07.559 --> 00:13:09.720 projected net operating result has 00:13:09.799 --> 00:13:12.799 moved from a deficit to a $1.3 million 00:13:12.879 --> 00:13:15.200 surplus mainly due to an additional 00:13:15.279 --> 00:13:17.679 Regional Road repair fund granted 00:13:17.759 --> 00:13:19.080 received in November 00:13:19.159 --> 00:13:21.360 2023 even though we'll still have a 00:13:21.440 --> 00:13:24.039 balance balanced budget Capital Works 00:13:24.120 --> 00:13:27.720 expenditure remains at $18.8 million 00:13:27.799 --> 00:13:29.600 with projects prior prioritize and some 00:13:29.679 --> 00:13:32.000 of them were mentioned here earlier on 00:13:32.080 --> 00:13:34.039 and movements offset to align with 00:13:34.120 --> 00:13:36.000 the original budget it's really 00:13:36.080 --> 00:13:37.320 pleasing that more of half of the 00:13:37.399 --> 00:13:39.039 actions in this year's operational plan 00:13:39.120 --> 00:13:41.399 provide for delivery of infrastructure 00:13:41.480 --> 00:13:43.399 to meet the community needs and 00:13:43.480 --> 00:13:45.799 expenditure some of the highlights 00:13:45.879 --> 00:13:47.720 are for me and I know Council buck and 00:13:47.799 --> 00:13:49.600 Council Pauling called out a few but we 00:13:49.679 --> 00:13:51.519 had the Alton Road intersection upgrade 00:13:51.600 --> 00:13:53.799 at kurong was complete and officially 00:13:53.879 --> 00:13:55.759 opened in December and I know West 00:13:55.840 --> 00:13:57.039 board residents would have been very 00:13:57.120 --> 00:13:59.639 keen to get that happening pretty pretty 00:13:59.720 --> 00:14:01.480 dangerous intersection so that's 00:14:01.559 --> 00:14:03.759 happened we also have foreshore 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:05.519 improvements Works to help the future 00:14:05.600 --> 00:14:07.879 proof Belmont Bay and they were 00:14:07.960 --> 00:14:10.519 completed as well we launched the first 00:14:10.600 --> 00:14:13.320 Fab Lab Academy in Australia so 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:15.559 that's a pretty good call out teaching 00:14:15.639 --> 00:14:18.039 students digital fabrication 00:14:18.120 --> 00:14:20.360 everything from 3D printing and laser 00:14:20.440 --> 00:14:23.080 cutting to problem solving intellectual 00:14:23.159 --> 00:14:24.799 property and 00:14:24.879 --> 00:14:26.559 entrepreneurialship and as you 00:14:26.639 --> 00:14:28.840 mentioned U Council Buckley the 00:14:28.919 --> 00:14:30.240 hunter sports center with the Trevor 00:14:30.320 --> 00:14:33.360 Heights athlete testing center we 00:14:33.440 --> 00:14:36.679 also when we look around here we had 00:14:36.759 --> 00:14:40.480 contractors have been engaged to 00:14:40.559 --> 00:14:43.480 construct Three Bridges at Martinsville 00:14:43.559 --> 00:14:44.919 so that'll be commenting the third 00:14:45.000 --> 00:14:46.919 quarter so there are a nber of 00:14:47.000 --> 00:14:49.559 projects here that are really people 00:14:49.639 --> 00:14:51.799 will be interested in which which are 00:14:51.879 --> 00:14:54.320 really exciting we saw especially 00:14:54.399 --> 00:14:56.519 here for our beaches and our pools we 00:14:56.600 --> 00:14:59.759 had a huge increase in people using them 00:14:59.840 --> 00:15:02.320 when we look at the report on page 00:15:02.399 --> 00:15:06.559 43 it says there were 00:15:06.639 --> 00:15:09.360 38457 ATT tenant has recorded across our 00:15:09.440 --> 00:15:11.279 four beaches and lifeguards performing 00:15:11.360 --> 00:15:12.519 32 00:15:12.600 --> 00:15:16.960 rescues 2,10 preventative actions and 00:15:17.039 --> 00:15:21.600 160 first aid treatments and 49 Beach 00:15:21.679 --> 00:15:25.320 closures so it was really really a 00:15:25.399 --> 00:15:27.120 pleasing quarter a pleasing year and I 00:15:27.200 --> 00:15:29.559 think we should be very proud of of 00:15:29.639 --> 00:15:31.120 the achievements of staff and can I 00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:34.799 congratulate probably beond Lon but 00:15:34.879 --> 00:15:38.080 also Kim fer who is here as well so 00:15:38.159 --> 00:15:40.759 and the CEO thank you very much if 00:15:40.840 --> 00:15:42.879 there's no further discussions I'll put 00:15:42.960 --> 00:15:45.679 24 sp001 December review of the 00:15:45.759 --> 00:15:48.960 operational plan 2023 2024 and budget 00:15:49.039 --> 00:15:50.879 moved by councilor Paulie second by 00:15:50.960 --> 00:15:52.559 Council Buck I'll do that by sh hands 00:15:52.639 --> 00:15:54.679 all those in favour Council edenway 00:15:54.759 --> 00:15:57.279 councel ankli Council Conroy Council gri 00:15:57.360 --> 00:15:59.679 Council Bela Council Pauling counselor 00:15:59.759 --> 00:16:01.240 Bishop councilor Buckley councilor 00:16:01.320 --> 00:16:03.000 Warner councilor FR declare that Carri 00:16:03.080 --> 00:16:05.399 thank you 00:16:06.759 --> 00:16:10.200 councilor Council will move to the next 00:16:10.279 --> 00:16:14.360 matter which is pecuniary interest 00:16:14.440 --> 00:16:16.519 I'll open 24 00:16:16.600 --> 00:16:21.080 sp002 pecuniary interest returns for 00:16:21.600 --> 00:16:24.039 tabling you're moving at Council Buckley 00:16:24.120 --> 00:16:25.759 you're second that councilor Warner 00:16:25.840 --> 00:16:26.559 thank 00:16:26.639 --> 00:16:29.159 you no one's wishing to I'll put that by 00:16:29.240 --> 00:16:31.039 a show of hands all that in favour 00:16:31.120 --> 00:16:33.120 Council Aden Council ancliff Council 00:16:33.200 --> 00:16:35.320 Conroy councilor grig Council Bela 00:16:35.399 --> 00:16:37.600 Council paing councel Bishop councel 00:16:37.679 --> 00:16:39.279 Buckley councel Warner councel FR 00:16:39.360 --> 00:16:41.879 declare that 00:16:45.919 --> 00:16:49.519 carried Council will now move on to the 00:16:49.600 --> 00:16:51.759 deputy chief executive officer and we 00:16:51.840 --> 00:16:55.159 just have the one report here 24 00:16:55.240 --> 00:16:58.720 sp003 investment report December 2023 00:16:58.799 --> 00:17:00.679 January 00:17:00.759 --> 00:17:03.080 2024 someone move the report councilor 00:17:03.159 --> 00:17:04.680 belter thank you very much do I have a 00:17:04.759 --> 00:17:08.000 second councel Pauling thank 00:17:08.079 --> 00:17:12.119 you you wishing to speak Council 00:17:12.200 --> 00:17:16.000 belch right thank you Council Pauling 00:17:16.079 --> 00:17:17.599 thank you Madame Mayor question 00:17:17.680 --> 00:17:19.640 through yourself Madame Mayor to the CFO 00:17:19.720 --> 00:17:25.039 Mr Lan on page 71 our cash on call 00:17:25.119 --> 00:17:30.039 report to my I suppose 00:17:30.119 --> 00:17:32.359 lay person judgment appears to be a 00:17:32.440 --> 00:17:35.680 step change down from a average running 00:17:35.759 --> 00:17:37.480 cash on call about 20 million down to 00:17:37.559 --> 00:17:41.359 about 10 million from around now is that 00:17:41.440 --> 00:17:43.400 a deliberate action or is that 00:17:43.480 --> 00:17:46.119 something that's just manifested 00:17:46.200 --> 00:17:48.880 through the I suppose the the variances 00:17:48.960 --> 00:17:52.440 that occur within the Council budget Mr 00:17:52.519 --> 00:17:55.200 Lakin thank you Madame May through you 00:17:55.279 --> 00:17:57.440 so there has been a bit of a step change 00:17:57.519 --> 00:17:59.319 down in part because of the nber of 00:17:59.400 --> 00:18:00.599 projects that we have going at the 00:18:00.680 --> 00:18:02.279 moment and some of that cash has been 00:18:02.359 --> 00:18:04.119 consed with those large capital 00:18:04.200 --> 00:18:06.279 projects in addition to that there 00:18:06.359 --> 00:18:08.960 has also been a Slowdown in some of the 00:18:09.039 --> 00:18:11.240 cash receipt that we would normally have 00:18:11.319 --> 00:18:13.759 so that's not significant and then I 00:18:13.839 --> 00:18:15.519 suppose the third factor is that we have 00:18:15.599 --> 00:18:19.079 also chosen not to to pull our loans 00:18:19.160 --> 00:18:20.519 down as much as we normally would 00:18:20.599 --> 00:18:23.640 because we have always been fairly 00:18:23.720 --> 00:18:26.079 had quite a lot of head space above our 00:18:26.160 --> 00:18:28.640 Target rate and so we sort of to stay 00:18:28.720 --> 00:18:31.319 above that $5 million Mark and being at 00:18:31.400 --> 00:18:33.920 the 20 average was probably just too 00:18:34.000 --> 00:18:36.039 much cash to be holding on hand so we've 00:18:36.119 --> 00:18:38.200 pulled that down slightly intentionally 00:18:38.279 --> 00:18:42.200 paired with the larger projects 00:18:42.279 --> 00:18:44.279 thank you a followup question Madame if 00:18:44.359 --> 00:18:45.920 I could through yourself again if I 00:18:46.000 --> 00:18:48.079 could just ask the upper and lower 00:18:48.160 --> 00:18:50.359 guidelines that we use for cash on call 00:18:50.440 --> 00:18:51.880 I think 5 million being the lower I 00:18:51.960 --> 00:18:53.640 don't really have an appreciation of 00:18:53.720 --> 00:18:55.279 what the upper would be or is it a 00:18:55.359 --> 00:18:58.400 dynamic limit Mr Lin thank thank you 00:18:58.480 --> 00:19:02.000 madam through you the the upper limit 00:19:02.079 --> 00:19:03.759 actually hasn't been set at a policy 00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:05.759 level at this stage obviously we 00:19:05.839 --> 00:19:08.400 would like to keep that to a minimand 00:19:08.480 --> 00:19:10.160 whenever we do get more of that cash on 00:19:10.240 --> 00:19:12.200 call we would look to invest more into 00:19:12.279 --> 00:19:16.200 the long-term term deposits however 00:19:16.279 --> 00:19:18.480 we haven't actually got a a set up a 00:19:18.559 --> 00:19:20.480 limit at this stage okay cool thank you 00:19:20.559 --> 00:19:22.519 Madame Mayor thank you Mr 00:19:22.599 --> 00:19:25.799 Lan there no further speakers I'll put 00:19:25.880 --> 00:19:26.839 24 00:19:26.920 --> 00:19:30.200 sp003 invest report December 2023 00:19:30.279 --> 00:19:33.200 January 2024 moved by Council Bela 00:19:33.279 --> 00:19:35.480 second by Council py I'll do that by sh 00:19:35.559 --> 00:19:37.960 of hands all those in favour Council Aden 00:19:38.039 --> 00:19:39.599 councilor anff councilor Conroy 00:19:39.680 --> 00:19:41.480 councilor Greek councilor Bela Council 00:19:41.559 --> 00:19:43.640 Pauling councilor Bishop councilor 00:19:43.720 --> 00:19:45.359 Buckley Council Warner Council frer 00:19:45.440 --> 00:19:48.000 declared that 00:19:48.079 --> 00:19:50.440 carried council's I'll open up director 00:19:50.519 --> 00:19:52.200 of development planning and Regulation 00:19:52.279 --> 00:19:54.839 and we have three matters 00:19:54.920 --> 00:19:58.839 here the first one 00:19:58.920 --> 00:20:01.960 is 00:20:02.039 --> 00:20:05.519 24004 Yu Point Ramsgate estate 00:20:05.599 --> 00:20:08.359 residential 00:20:09.200 --> 00:20:14.319 subdivision councilors your wish 00:20:15.119 --> 00:20:17.759 your you're moving that Council beler 00:20:17.839 --> 00:20:19.880 thank you do I have a signor council 00:20:19.960 --> 00:20:21.799 Conroy thank you you're wishing to speak 00:20:21.880 --> 00:20:26.359 Council belch very briefly 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:28.839 M I'll just get you to press your button 00:20:28.920 --> 00:20:31.400 Council Bel of course thank 00:20:31.480 --> 00:20:34.839 you thank you thank you Madame Mayor 00:20:34.920 --> 00:20:38.200 Madame Mayor this is been a a very 00:20:38.279 --> 00:20:40.319 difficult decision to make I understand 00:20:40.400 --> 00:20:42.400 and both councilor bishop and myself 00:20:42.480 --> 00:20:45.119 have been out to speak to Residents 00:20:45.200 --> 00:20:47.839 previously about their concerns on 00:20:47.920 --> 00:20:51.119 this site and I take them very much 00:20:51.200 --> 00:20:54.720 on board when thinking about this 00:20:54.799 --> 00:20:58.079 decision so our previous speakers is 00:20:58.160 --> 00:21:00.400 spoken about the fact that this is a 00:21:00.480 --> 00:21:03.079 paper subdivision going back to 198 we 00:21:03.160 --> 00:21:06.079 have several of these in our city and 00:21:06.160 --> 00:21:08.680 all incredibly difficult Madame Mayor 00:21:08.759 --> 00:21:10.920 been on our books for many many years 00:21:11.000 --> 00:21:13.079 incredibly hard to get off the one at 00:21:13.160 --> 00:21:16.720 why itself is is incredibly problematic 00:21:16.799 --> 00:21:19.960 so I guess the 00:21:20.039 --> 00:21:24.039 the the not the quickest but the the U 00:21:24.119 --> 00:21:26.359 most direct way of of resolving these 00:21:26.440 --> 00:21:29.160 issues is having them developed 00:21:29.240 --> 00:21:32.160 appropriately we know we are in a a a 00:21:32.240 --> 00:21:35.000 a crisis when it comes to housing not 00:21:35.079 --> 00:21:37.279 just in Lake mccy but across Australia 00:21:37.359 --> 00:21:39.000 and we're adding you know much needed 00:21:39.079 --> 00:21:44.319 stock to that to to this area the 00:21:44.400 --> 00:21:47.039 traffic concerns and have been well 00:21:47.119 --> 00:21:50.359 addressed in the presentation tonight 00:21:50.440 --> 00:21:52.400 also the erod adjustments have been well 00:21:52.480 --> 00:21:55.839 articulated why it has to go through the 00:21:55.920 --> 00:21:58.200 the the model that's been printed to 00:21:58.279 --> 00:22:01.519 us tonight 600 Lots Madam May that's a 00:22:01.599 --> 00:22:04.200 very significant development so I 00:22:04.279 --> 00:22:06.799 certainly understand the community's 00:22:06.880 --> 00:22:10.039 angst in this regard but overall I 00:22:10.119 --> 00:22:12.559 take it that this is a benefit for our 00:22:12.640 --> 00:22:14.880 city a benefit for the residents who 00:22:14.960 --> 00:22:17.640 will be able to live and enjoy living 00:22:17.720 --> 00:22:21.680 at y Point Madame Mayor so as I 00:22:21.759 --> 00:22:23.559 said after a lot of difficulties 00:22:23.640 --> 00:22:25.880 we'll be supporting this motion and hope 00:22:25.960 --> 00:22:27.599 other councilor will do the same thank 00:22:27.680 --> 00:22:29.799 you thank 00:22:29.880 --> 00:22:33.000 you Council Pauling thank you mad may I 00:22:33.079 --> 00:22:36.079 think excellent smary put forward 00:22:36.160 --> 00:22:38.160 for us then this one has been a long 00:22:38.240 --> 00:22:39.720 time coming and it's always been 00:22:39.799 --> 00:22:44.160 difficult local residents I I ass 00:22:44.240 --> 00:22:45.599 them they've been heard is probably one 00:22:45.680 --> 00:22:47.759 of the key things I would say that there 00:22:47.839 --> 00:22:49.960 issues about density there issues about 00:22:50.039 --> 00:22:52.400 access there issues on environmental 00:22:52.480 --> 00:22:54.640 impact all those matters have played 00:22:54.720 --> 00:22:56.599 very very very heavily on councilor's 00:22:56.680 --> 00:22:58.559 minds and I think we've weigh those up 00:22:58.640 --> 00:23:01.359 as we go one of the key issues that has 00:23:01.440 --> 00:23:02.680 come up time and time again is the 00:23:02.759 --> 00:23:03.960 question of access and the most 00:23:04.039 --> 00:23:06.039 appropriate access question through 00:23:06.119 --> 00:23:08.559 yourself to to staff Madame Mayor could 00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:10.119 staff please make some comment in 00:23:10.200 --> 00:23:15.200 relation to the preferred access and the 00:23:15.279 --> 00:23:18.640 potential assessment of 00:23:19.079 --> 00:23:22.359 Alternatives Mr 00:23:26.880 --> 00:23:29.880 corrian 00:23:31.400 --> 00:23:33.279 thank you through you madam Mayor excuse 00:23:33.359 --> 00:23:36.880 me there were alternative 00:23:36.960 --> 00:23:38.079 proposals 00:23:38.160 --> 00:23:41.000 considered in the assessment of the work 00:23:41.079 --> 00:23:44.119 and the government Road Railway Road was 00:23:44.200 --> 00:23:47.000 the optimal outcome that minimized the 00:23:47.079 --> 00:23:49.240 disturbance to all the residents the 00:23:49.319 --> 00:23:52.839 most direct route and limited impact to 00:23:52.920 --> 00:23:55.680 to the existing residents 00:23:55.759 --> 00:23:58.160 there cool thank you madam appreciate 00:23:58.240 --> 00:24:00.000 the response and one of the the key 00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:02.400 distinctions for me here is this 00:24:02.480 --> 00:24:04.759 unfortunately Council makes a decision 00:24:04.839 --> 00:24:07.119 on what's put before us that is is 00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:08.599 what's before 00:24:08.680 --> 00:24:11.400 us acceptable or not it's a yes no 00:24:11.480 --> 00:24:15.079 Gateway it's not a an optimiz or a 00:24:15.160 --> 00:24:16.920 refining process it's not like yep you 00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:18.440 can do that but you can't do this bit 00:24:18.519 --> 00:24:20.599 that's not our role we we assess the da 00:24:20.680 --> 00:24:23.039 that's in front of us and as I've said 00:24:23.119 --> 00:24:25.839 many times on this despite some issues 00:24:25.920 --> 00:24:29.640 from raised by residents on balance this 00:24:29.720 --> 00:24:33.440 Stacks up on Merit this is a largely 00:24:33.519 --> 00:24:35.839 complying application that probably 00:24:35.920 --> 00:24:38.200 deserves to be approved that said is 00:24:38.279 --> 00:24:40.480 it the best probably not but that's not 00:24:40.559 --> 00:24:43.079 for us to determine either ours is does 00:24:43.160 --> 00:24:45.359 this application have sufficient Merit 00:24:45.440 --> 00:24:48.039 to Warrant approval or if it doesn't 00:24:48.119 --> 00:24:49.319 what are the planning grounds on which 00:24:49.400 --> 00:24:51.480 it fails that give us justification to 00:24:51.559 --> 00:24:53.640 reject it and I think that's a subtle 00:24:53.720 --> 00:24:56.920 that's often lost so that said I I do 00:24:57.000 --> 00:24:58.440 support this and I I think it is a good 00:24:58.519 --> 00:25:00.839 outcome for the city equally I do 00:25:00.920 --> 00:25:04.319 acknowledge the pain issues raised 00:25:04.400 --> 00:25:05.680 some of the inconvenience that we be 00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:07.279 cause no doubt during construction there 00:25:07.359 --> 00:25:08.799 will be some inconvenience for for the 00:25:08.880 --> 00:25:11.079 local residents and and I do apologize 00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:13.640 to them for that how the big however 00:25:13.720 --> 00:25:16.279 on that is that's true of nearly any 00:25:16.359 --> 00:25:19.880 development with limited access no 00:25:19.960 --> 00:25:21.079 matter where it is there there will be 00:25:21.160 --> 00:25:22.359 drams whenever you've got trucks running 00:25:22.440 --> 00:25:23.519 up and down your street that aren't 00:25:23.599 --> 00:25:25.200 normally running up and down your street 00:25:25.279 --> 00:25:27.160 then that is certainly an inconvenience 00:25:27.240 --> 00:25:30.000 and it's temporary so as I said for 00:25:30.079 --> 00:25:32.559 me residents definitely heard there's no 00:25:32.640 --> 00:25:34.640 doubt about that that said I think this 00:25:34.720 --> 00:25:36.480 application has Merit and I will be 00:25:36.559 --> 00:25:38.519 voting favour of it thank you Madame May 00:25:38.599 --> 00:25:40.119 thank you Council 00:25:40.200 --> 00:25:43.160 Pauling council ad B yes thank you 00:25:43.240 --> 00:25:46.240 Madame May I will be speaking in 00:25:46.319 --> 00:25:49.440 favour of the resolution and I think the 00:25:49.519 --> 00:25:50.960 councilors have already spoken they 00:25:51.039 --> 00:25:53.599 pretty much covered everything that I 00:25:53.680 --> 00:25:55.000 would like to mention but there's a 00:25:55.079 --> 00:25:56.480 couple of other 00:25:56.559 --> 00:25:59.640 points the the development application 00:25:59.720 --> 00:26:01.839 looks at some of the problems mitigating 00:26:01.920 --> 00:26:03.319 some of those problems development 00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:05.839 applications do that that's how we get 00:26:05.920 --> 00:26:08.240 to improve things along the way we 00:26:08.319 --> 00:26:12.079 usually get to improve transport parking 00:26:12.160 --> 00:26:14.759 drainage and those sorts of things 00:26:14.839 --> 00:26:17.119 for a community that's there but in this 00:26:17.200 --> 00:26:20.519 case we've also taken a large section 00:26:20.599 --> 00:26:23.279 of the proposed site going back to the 00:26:23.359 --> 00:26:25.160 days of the paper estate and turned it 00:26:25.240 --> 00:26:27.839 into environmental land and I I think 00:26:27.920 --> 00:26:30.319 that that's also an important thing to 00:26:30.400 --> 00:26:33.839 mention along the way a question I've 00:26:33.920 --> 00:26:35.720 started asking with most developments 00:26:35.799 --> 00:26:38.799 nowadays Madame Mayor if I may ask staff 00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:41.599 is there any defined affordable housing 00:26:41.680 --> 00:26:44.720 as part of the process for this 00:26:44.799 --> 00:26:47.720 development Mr 00:26:47.799 --> 00:26:49.720 corrian thank you through you madam 00:26:49.799 --> 00:26:53.359 Mayor not as such what we've got is 00:26:53.440 --> 00:26:56.519 development lots of ranging size ranging 00:26:56.599 --> 00:27:00.920 diversity that you might en 00:27:01.000 --> 00:27:04.079 encounter in most of the supervisions 00:27:04.160 --> 00:27:06.680 that we'll do now they range from a 00:27:06.759 --> 00:27:09.160 little bit greater than the minim450 00:27:09.240 --> 00:27:10.920 to some larger Lots so there's there is 00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:12.680 a choice amongst the lots that have 00:27:12.759 --> 00:27:13.480 being 00:27:13.559 --> 00:27:16.119 presented thank you Madame it it is 00:27:16.200 --> 00:27:17.799 good that there is diversity which we've 00:27:17.880 --> 00:27:20.480 talked about only recently at Council 00:27:20.559 --> 00:27:22.559 it would be good to see that whenever we 00:27:22.640 --> 00:27:24.079 are looking at developments into the 00:27:24.160 --> 00:27:26.119 future that affordable housing 00:27:26.200 --> 00:27:28.480 accessible housing and the important 00:27:28.559 --> 00:27:30.240 things that we talk about on a regular 00:27:30.319 --> 00:27:33.119 basis here are incorporated into that as 00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:35.759 a proposal I understand that there are 00:27:35.839 --> 00:27:37.880 issues that the community will find 00:27:37.960 --> 00:27:40.359 difficulty with I understand 00:27:40.440 --> 00:27:43.480 personally how new Estates can be 00:27:43.559 --> 00:27:46.279 uncomfortable during their development 00:27:46.359 --> 00:27:50.759 but also that time does pass and 00:27:50.839 --> 00:27:53.359 I hope that the 00:27:53.440 --> 00:27:56.359 community ultimately Embraces some of 00:27:56.440 --> 00:27:58.920 these changes and the community itself 00:27:59.000 --> 00:28:01.240 becomes richer and more vibrant as part 00:28:01.319 --> 00:28:03.200 of the process thank you Madame May 00:28:03.279 --> 00:28:04.559 thank 00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:07.799 you councilor Warner thank you Madame 00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:09.799 Mayor one of the issues that was 00:28:09.880 --> 00:28:11.599 raised in the public access was in 00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:14.559 relation to the Community facilities 00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:16.680 and perhaps the social impact in the 00:28:16.759 --> 00:28:18.720 community I was wondering if staff might 00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:21.119 be able to comment on the potential 00:28:21.200 --> 00:28:23.000 positive impacts that this development 00:28:23.079 --> 00:28:26.160 might bring to the area in terms of the 00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:29.599 broader Moret catchment plan and other 00:28:29.680 --> 00:28:31.720 yeah facility upgrades that might 00:28:31.799 --> 00:28:35.000 come thank 00:28:36.680 --> 00:28:39.920 you Mr 00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:41.880 Corgan thank you through you Madame 00:28:41.960 --> 00:28:46.200 Mayor as part of this development 00:28:46.279 --> 00:28:49.319 there was the vpa was prepared to have a 00:28:49.400 --> 00:28:54.440 look at how we will distribute or 00:28:54.519 --> 00:28:57.480 allocate provision for increase 00:28:57.559 --> 00:28:59.440 amenity across the particular 00:28:59.519 --> 00:29:01.640 catchment in some instances it won't be 00:29:01.720 --> 00:29:02.799 right at the doorstep but it will 00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:05.519 certainly be within close proximity to 00:29:05.599 --> 00:29:09.720 the new development that is before you 00:29:09.799 --> 00:29:12.160 tonight thank you I I think just a 00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:14.200 further comment to say that just 00:29:14.279 --> 00:29:16.079 generally I'm in support of additional 00:29:16.160 --> 00:29:18.519 housing given the housing crisis that 00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:20.920 we're all aware of but I do think 00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:22.759 it's an important note that the council 00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:25.519 does take notice of the need to you 00:29:25.599 --> 00:29:27.599 know continually impact increase 00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:30.920 their social impact the community 00:29:31.000 --> 00:29:32.640 facilities that are available in the 00:29:32.720 --> 00:29:35.160 community and just be mindful of those 00:29:35.240 --> 00:29:37.759 social impacts when we do develop new 00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:39.119 housing that we increase our 00:29:39.200 --> 00:29:41.039 infrastructure to support it so thank 00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:42.920 you thank you councilor 00:29:43.000 --> 00:29:45.839 Warner if there's no further speakers 00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:48.240 I'll put 00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:51.279 24004 ye Point Rams Gat State 00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:53.720 residential subdivision moved by Council 00:29:53.799 --> 00:29:55.799 Bela second by Council Conroy I'll put 00:29:55.880 --> 00:29:58.240 that by a show of hands or that in favour 00:29:58.319 --> 00:30:00.319 Council Aden Council anave Council 00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:02.559 Conroy Council Greek Council Belia 00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:04.680 Council paing Council Bishop Council 00:30:04.759 --> 00:30:06.559 Buckley counc Warner Council FR declare 00:30:06.640 --> 00:30:08.799 that 00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:14.359 carried and next item council is 2 24 00:30:14.440 --> 00:30:18.640 sp005 argentin 535 late Road 00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:21.720 telecommunications 00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:24.599 facility you're moving that council ad 00:30:24.680 --> 00:30:26.680 thank you very much do I have a secondar 00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:29.559 council Monroy thank you council ad 00:30:29.640 --> 00:30:31.200 you're wishing to speak just very 00:30:31.279 --> 00:30:33.000 briefly Madame Mayor we've had a 00:30:33.079 --> 00:30:36.440 couple of these recently and in both 00:30:36.519 --> 00:30:39.440 cases we've had it's gone out for 00:30:39.519 --> 00:30:42.200 public submission we've invited the 00:30:42.279 --> 00:30:45.039 community to be involved in consultation 00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:47.480 and there haven't been any submissions 00:30:47.559 --> 00:30:49.720 and I think it's important to note that 00:30:49.799 --> 00:30:53.000 technology nowadays is an essential if 00:30:53.079 --> 00:30:55.519 you are in a suburb without the 00:30:55.599 --> 00:30:57.759 technology to connect you to the rest of 00:30:57.839 --> 00:31:00.839 the world you can't have a home business 00:31:00.920 --> 00:31:03.519 you can't work from home you can't do 00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:07.279 many things children cannot necessarily 00:31:07.359 --> 00:31:10.440 access what they need for education so 00:31:10.519 --> 00:31:12.839 the fact that we're building 00:31:12.920 --> 00:31:15.079 particularly in the western edge of and 00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:17.920 the northern edge of the the lake with 00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:22.440 towers that provide connectivity to 00:31:22.519 --> 00:31:24.160 the important infrastructure that we 00:31:24.240 --> 00:31:27.480 need for communication and Technology I 00:31:27.559 --> 00:31:29.200 think is a good thing and the fact that 00:31:29.279 --> 00:31:32.240 the community appears to see that as 00:31:32.319 --> 00:31:34.240 well in the way in which we've had a 00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:36.200 nber of these without any submissions 00:31:36.279 --> 00:31:38.920 Madame Mayor thank you thank 00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:41.720 you Council beler thank you Madame 00:31:41.799 --> 00:31:44.680 Mayor totally agree with the the 00:31:44.759 --> 00:31:48.720 sentiments from Council Aden my sort 00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:50.319 of record on this stuff's pretty clear 00:31:50.400 --> 00:31:52.680 I've always been supportive of of the 00:31:52.759 --> 00:31:56.160 construction of these these towers as 00:31:56.240 --> 00:31:57.680 councilor 00:31:57.759 --> 00:32:00.960 outlined this is infrastructure this is 00:32:01.039 --> 00:32:04.440 as needed as a road or a bridge or any 00:32:04.519 --> 00:32:06.200 of the other facilities that our 00:32:06.279 --> 00:32:08.759 residents take for granted we saw over 00:32:08.839 --> 00:32:12.720 covid the the desperate need for 00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:15.480 solid connectivity you know that's 00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:18.759 that's good 4G and 5G connections so 00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:21.079 people can operate from their homes if 00:32:21.160 --> 00:32:23.400 they need to if people can make 00:32:23.480 --> 00:32:25.920 emergency calls if necessary as well 00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:28.119 this is vital infrastructure Madam Mayor 00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:29.680 so I'm very happy to support this as 00:32:29.759 --> 00:32:31.640 well thank you thank 00:32:31.720 --> 00:32:34.279 you if there's no further speakers I'll 00:32:34.359 --> 00:32:36.000 put 24 00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:39.559 sp005 argentin 535 late Road 00:32:39.640 --> 00:32:41.720 telecommunications facility moved by 00:32:41.799 --> 00:32:44.240 Council Adam second by Council Conroy I 00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:46.440 do that by sh hands all those in favour 00:32:46.519 --> 00:32:48.559 Council adway Council anli Council 00:32:48.640 --> 00:32:50.440 Conroy councilor gri Council Bela 00:32:50.519 --> 00:32:52.440 councilor Pauling Council Bishop Council 00:32:52.519 --> 00:32:54.400 Buckley Council Warner Council frer 00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:55.960 declar that 00:32:56.039 --> 00:32:59.039 carried 00:33:03.720 --> 00:33:06.920 our last matter in director of 00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:09.359 development planning and regulation is 00:33:09.440 --> 00:33:15.359 24 SP 006 coo 133 callpoint Road 00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:17.359 demolition of existing dwelling and new 00:33:17.440 --> 00:33:18.519 dwelling 00:33:18.599 --> 00:33:21.200 house you're moving the motion as 00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:24.880 printed Council Pauling do I have a 00:33:24.960 --> 00:33:27.400 second Council anff thank thank you very 00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:30.680 much Council Paul are you wishing to 00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:34.160 speak thank you once again a a tricky 00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:36.960 one 00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:39.319 unfortunately the not we had Public 00:33:39.400 --> 00:33:42.440 Access on this earlier this evening and 00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:44.720 if anyone with a report looks at page 00:33:44.799 --> 00:33:48.119 121 they can see 00:33:48.200 --> 00:33:51.039 certainly the relative size difference 00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:54.000 between the proposed dwelling that's 00:33:54.079 --> 00:33:56.759 before us tonight and existing dwellings 00:33:56.839 --> 00:33:59.319 that that said one of the things that 00:33:59.400 --> 00:34:01.640 got thrown around was the 60% outside 00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:03.440 the area 00:34:03.519 --> 00:34:06.839 and I looking at data I can't dispute 00:34:06.920 --> 00:34:08.679 that probably 60% of the roof area May 00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:12.400 well be outside the building envelope 00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:14.880 however the and the big however this is 00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:17.800 the exceedence is not particularly large 00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:20.199 in terms of vole or impact and in 00:34:20.280 --> 00:34:23.280 that I go to the diagram on page 109 00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:26.559 figure two which highlights that the 00:34:26.639 --> 00:34:27.679 actual 00:34:27.760 --> 00:34:29.719 part of this building outside the 00:34:29.800 --> 00:34:32.079 building envelope is not particularly 00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:34.199 excessive and equally before us the 00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:38.199 actual section 4.2 4.6 variation that is 00:34:38.280 --> 00:34:43.719 sought is 2.39 M or 28% if it was 00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:45.960 under 10% my understanding is it 00:34:46.039 --> 00:34:49.519 wouldn't be before us at all and so 00:34:49.599 --> 00:34:53.920 despite the image created by Page 121 00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:58.000 and that photo montage in reality I 00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:00.239 think this is exactly the situation for 00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:03.559 which a Clause 4.6 of the LEP is 00:35:03.639 --> 00:35:06.320 intended to be used that said Public 00:35:06.400 --> 00:35:08.639 Access did raise issues in relation to 00:35:08.719 --> 00:35:12.559 high water mark setback and that 00:35:12.639 --> 00:35:14.239 prompted a particular interest from me 00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:15.880 could staff please make some commentary 00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:20.159 in relation to what that might mean 00:35:20.239 --> 00:35:22.199 how that was considered in this instance 00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:24.119 and how it relates to properties in the 00:35:24.199 --> 00:35:27.000 immediate vicinity for example if 00:35:27.079 --> 00:35:29.079 this well are they entitled to come to 00:35:29.159 --> 00:35:32.360 3.5 M of the high water mark or what is 00:35:32.440 --> 00:35:34.199 the standard that is applicable there so 00:35:34.280 --> 00:35:35.559 any comments you to all through you 00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:37.840 please Madam May thank you Mr 00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:41.239 Corgan thank you through you Madame May 00:35:41.320 --> 00:35:42.840 the forall building line on this 00:35:42.920 --> 00:35:45.840 particular block is some 16 M it's way 00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:48.239 back the entire not the entire the 00:35:48.320 --> 00:35:50.800 majority of the existing house is 00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:53.119 outside of that line what's before us at 00:35:53.199 --> 00:35:56.000 the moment is what's before councilor 00:35:56.079 --> 00:35:58.920 this evening is an alignment the 00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:01.239 proposed house is aligned with the 00:36:01.320 --> 00:36:03.760 existing alignment and there is 00:36:03.840 --> 00:36:06.480 provision in part seven of the LEP to do 00:36:06.559 --> 00:36:09.320 so okay so just through you Madame 00:36:09.400 --> 00:36:13.039 paraphrasing that the setback of this 00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:16.119 particular property is not out of whack 00:36:16.199 --> 00:36:18.519 or or out of kilter with other 00:36:18.599 --> 00:36:22.440 properties in the vicinity Mr corrian no 00:36:22.519 --> 00:36:24.079 it's not greatly out of through you 00:36:24.159 --> 00:36:26.679 madam Mayor no it's not greatly out of 00:36:26.760 --> 00:36:28.400 alignment with it the aial photography 00:36:28.480 --> 00:36:29.599 will give a bit of an indication to 00:36:29.679 --> 00:36:31.719 councilors of where that does sit at the 00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:34.679 present as I say it aligns with exactly 00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:36.519 the position of where the the current 00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:38.239 house is right 00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:40.719 now okay but I'll probably need to step 00:36:40.800 --> 00:36:42.480 again I may have misunderstood our 00:36:42.559 --> 00:36:45.239 Public Access earlier then so is there 00:36:45.320 --> 00:36:48.239 concern in relation to alignment and 00:36:48.320 --> 00:36:50.719 proximity to the water for this property 00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:54.280 if not why not Mr Corgan thank you three 00:36:54.360 --> 00:36:57.360 Madame Mayor there is not in 7 of our 00:36:57.440 --> 00:37:00.000 LEP we've got a local provision in there 00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:01.199 that talks 00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:04.639 about the rebuilding the re the 00:37:04.719 --> 00:37:06.480 repositioning of a new building or the 00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:08.880 like in the same position and that's 00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:12.039 what our assessment has that's the 00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:14.320 assessment that we've we've applied in 00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:16.400 this instance to find this gateway to go 00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:18.960 forward okay thank you Madame Mayor 00:37:19.039 --> 00:37:21.559 Madame Mayor I I thank you Mr Corgan for 00:37:21.639 --> 00:37:23.239 his responses that has certainly helped 00:37:23.320 --> 00:37:25.679 cleared that up for me in terms of once 00:37:25.760 --> 00:37:27.559 again heavy heart but that's the the 00:37:27.639 --> 00:37:29.400 role of a council unfortunately I see 00:37:29.480 --> 00:37:31.639 both sides of this one but the 00:37:31.719 --> 00:37:33.400 application before us I think clearly 00:37:33.480 --> 00:37:35.960 has Merit is largely compliant with the 00:37:36.039 --> 00:37:39.079 LEP guidelines as they stand and through 00:37:39.159 --> 00:37:43.039 the use of the Clause 4.6 variation I 00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:45.440 think on Merit is easily justifiable in 00:37:45.519 --> 00:37:47.519 the circstances that said I 00:37:47.599 --> 00:37:50.800 certainly feel for the neighbor 00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:52.639 however once again not the precedent 00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:55.599 counts but in the fullness of time there 00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:57.360 is potentially option for them as well 00:37:57.440 --> 00:38:00.159 within the same Le constraints that 00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:02.000 apply to the current block so Madame 00:38:02.079 --> 00:38:04.519 Mayor I recommend approval of this 00:38:04.599 --> 00:38:07.159 matter to my fellow councilor thank you 00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:08.280 thank you councilor Paul and you're 00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:10.360 right I think listening to the public 00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:12.159 access from the applicant or the 00:38:12.239 --> 00:38:14.079 resident who lives next door to the 00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:17.840 applicant we all sort of took a bit 00:38:17.920 --> 00:38:19.440 of a deep breath and thought yes you 00:38:19.519 --> 00:38:21.400 know this would be an issue if it was in 00:38:21.480 --> 00:38:23.599 in our street or next door to us you're 00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:25.440 in a single level house and then there's 00:38:25.519 --> 00:38:27.280 another house being built 00:38:27.360 --> 00:38:28.760 that's definitely going to have an imp 00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:30.840 impact on you your living 00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:32.800 arrangements and where your house sits 00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:36.679 in the block unfortunately in coo 00:38:36.760 --> 00:38:38.440 we've seen a real transition of homes 00:38:38.519 --> 00:38:40.360 down there and there's a lot of two and 00:38:40.440 --> 00:38:44.320 three story homes down there now so 00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:46.599 and I think that this particular de 00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:48.639 development application even though it's 00:38:48.719 --> 00:38:50.079 outside the guidelines is not 00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:53.119 significantly enough for us to refuse it 00:38:53.199 --> 00:38:56.280 so I have a view to it like you as 00:38:56.360 --> 00:38:57.800 well well that yes this is a difficult 00:38:57.880 --> 00:39:00.159 situation for each and every one of us 00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:01.719 but when we have the report in front of 00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:04.599 us we've had staff write the report 00:39:04.679 --> 00:39:06.480 they've assessed it accordingly and they 00:39:06.559 --> 00:39:09.159 have recommended that we approve 00:39:09.239 --> 00:39:12.280 this application so I'll be also 00:39:12.360 --> 00:39:14.360 approving it as well so thank you if 00:39:14.440 --> 00:39:17.199 there's no further questions I'll put 00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:21.000 24006 Callo 133 callpoint Road 00:39:21.079 --> 00:39:23.039 demolition of existing dwelling and new 00:39:23.119 --> 00:39:25.039 dwelling house moved by councilor 00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:27.199 Pauling second by councilor anff I'll 00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:29.400 put that by sh hands all those in favour 00:39:29.480 --> 00:39:31.960 council ad councel anff Council Conroy 00:39:32.039 --> 00:39:34.360 Council GRE Council Bela councel Pauling 00:39:34.440 --> 00:39:36.239 Council Bishop Council Buckley Council 00:39:36.320 --> 00:39:38.639 war council frer declare that carried 00:39:38.719 --> 00:39:40.920 thank 00:39:41.760 --> 00:39:44.400 you Council will move to director of 00:39:44.480 --> 00:39:47.159 organizational services and we just have 00:39:47.239 --> 00:39:49.639 the one matter in front of us tonight 00:39:49.719 --> 00:39:51.840 24 00:39:51.920 --> 00:39:54.519 sp007 new South WS Australian local 00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:56.519 government women's association annual 00:39:56.599 --> 00:40:00.960 conference 14th to 16th of March 00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:04.119 2024 you're moving that Council Bela 00:40:04.199 --> 00:40:05.639 thank you do I have a second councilor 00:40:05.719 --> 00:40:08.760 GRE thank you councilor this is a 00:40:08.840 --> 00:40:09.920 really important conference 00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:12.360 unfortunately I'm not able to go so I'm 00:40:12.440 --> 00:40:13.760 really pleased that we have Council 00:40:13.840 --> 00:40:15.960 Warner Council Buckley attending for us 00:40:16.039 --> 00:40:18.360 it's a great opportunity not only for 00:40:18.440 --> 00:40:21.000 networking but also talking to other 00:40:21.079 --> 00:40:22.559 other people and other businesses and 00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:25.440 finding out a lot more about you know 00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:27.719 local government and around Australia 00:40:27.800 --> 00:40:29.000 so it's a great opportunity for the 00:40:29.079 --> 00:40:30.519 councilor for them to come back and 00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:32.199 report back to us what they learned so 00:40:32.280 --> 00:40:34.079 that's always really really great thing 00:40:34.159 --> 00:40:36.280 they can do thank you councilor if 00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:39.239 there's no further speakers I'll put 24 00:40:39.320 --> 00:40:41.760 sp007 new South Wes Australian local 00:40:41.840 --> 00:40:43.559 government women's association annual 00:40:43.639 --> 00:40:47.079 conference 14th to 16th of March 2024 00:40:47.159 --> 00:40:48.880 moved by Council belgia second by 00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:50.760 Council Greek I'll do that by a sh of 00:40:50.840 --> 00:40:53.840 hands all those in favour Council Aden 00:40:53.920 --> 00:40:55.840 councilor anle Council Conroy Council 00:40:55.920 --> 00:40:57.960 Greek Council Bela Council paing Council 00:40:58.039 --> 00:40:59.960 Bishop Council Buckley Council Warner 00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:03.159 Council FR declared that 00:41:04.039 --> 00:41:07.000 carried we'll now move on to director of 00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:10.159 Service delivery councils will just have 00:41:10.239 --> 00:41:16.079 the one item tonight 24 SP 008 youth 00:41:16.159 --> 00:41:18.360 week grants 00:41:18.440 --> 00:41:21.679 2024 you're moving councilor ankli 00:41:21.760 --> 00:41:24.719 you're moving that thank you do I have a 00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:28.199 second councilor want to thank 00:41:28.280 --> 00:41:31.800 you Council anff thank you madam Mayor 00:41:31.880 --> 00:41:33.920 it's always a great pleasure for me as 00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:37.039 someone who sat on the youth Council to 00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:38.719 be able to talk about the great work 00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:40.559 that this organization does when it 00:41:40.639 --> 00:41:42.519 comes to youth weekend working with 00:41:42.599 --> 00:41:44.920 young people Council Warner and I had 00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:46.679 the the tough task alongside some 00:41:46.760 --> 00:41:48.400 amazing young people from our youth 00:41:48.480 --> 00:41:50.079 Council of reviewing the applications 00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:52.719 and something that stood out to me about 00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:56.199 this year's process was actually the 00:41:56.280 --> 00:41:57.639 the perspective of the young people to 00:41:57.719 --> 00:41:59.599 see what was what was good for our city 00:41:59.679 --> 00:42:00.760 and what was good for the young people 00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:03.119 in our city it wasn't not everyone got a 00:42:03.199 --> 00:42:05.679 dollar I'll give them that but those 00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:07.840 that were funded were certainly of high 00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:10.000 value to our city and similar there were 00:42:10.079 --> 00:42:11.719 some programs that were identified by 00:42:11.800 --> 00:42:15.400 staff post post sitting that gave us 00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:17.400 an opportunity to extend that reach so 00:42:17.480 --> 00:42:21.199 certainly echo my thanks to the work of 00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:23.400 the young people in our city who are the 00:42:23.480 --> 00:42:26.559 ones who drive these programs it is them 00:42:26.639 --> 00:42:28.360 who is the young people who turn up to 00:42:28.440 --> 00:42:30.280 these and make it worthwhile for us as a 00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:32.440 counsel and I encourage all councilor 00:42:32.519 --> 00:42:34.199 to get out and see what they can when 00:42:34.280 --> 00:42:35.719 youth week does roll around in a few 00:42:35.800 --> 00:42:38.679 weeks time thank you madam Mayor yeah 00:42:38.760 --> 00:42:41.159 thank you Council an clip and it's 00:42:41.239 --> 00:42:43.360 always U great to see these grants and 00:42:43.440 --> 00:42:45.639 there's so many applicants so many 00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:47.519 applications for the grants which 00:42:47.599 --> 00:42:50.440 means we have some amazing young people 00:42:50.519 --> 00:42:52.320 many many amazing people in our in 00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:54.599 our city doing amazing things and this 00:42:54.679 --> 00:42:56.519 is an opportunity for councilor to get 00:42:56.599 --> 00:42:58.480 out and maybe attend some of those 00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:00.599 events and go along and just have a 00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:02.800 look what our young people are doing 00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:06.519 they have amazing Minds amazing amazing 00:43:06.599 --> 00:43:09.519 vision and just looking at some of 00:43:09.599 --> 00:43:11.559 the things that that they're doing is 00:43:11.639 --> 00:43:14.199 absolutely fantastic so yeah I'm great 00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:16.480 to see that U Council an I was only 00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:18.639 thinking who was on that committee so I 00:43:18.719 --> 00:43:19.719 thought it would be appropriate that you 00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:20.920 would be on that committee coming from 00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:23.159 the youth Council and having a a real 00:43:23.239 --> 00:43:25.400 passion and wanting to be involved 00:43:25.480 --> 00:43:28.119 with young people which is great so 00:43:28.199 --> 00:43:29.920 yeah I think youth we grants are really 00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:32.119 important I'm pleased that we're 00:43:32.199 --> 00:43:34.639 supporting it we're funding it and we're 00:43:34.719 --> 00:43:36.920 committed to our next Generation here in 00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:37.760 Lake 00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:40.239 mcari if there's no further speakers 00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:43.480 I'll put 24 SP 008 youth week grants 00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:46.239 2024 moved by councilor anff second by 00:43:46.320 --> 00:43:47.719 councilor Warner and I'll do that by 00:43:47.800 --> 00:43:50.400 Char H all those in favour councel Aden 00:43:50.480 --> 00:43:52.320 cancer Enclave cancer Conroy cancer 00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:54.480 Greek cancer Bela cancer puling cancer 00:43:54.559 --> 00:43:56.599 Bishop cancer Buckley cancer Warner 00:43:56.679 --> 00:43:59.960 Council frer declared that 00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:08.440 carried reports from the recommendation 00:44:08.519 --> 00:44:12.559 committee councilor we have 24 00:44:12.639 --> 00:44:16.199 SP 009 recommendations of the traffic 00:44:16.280 --> 00:44:18.280 facilities and Road Safety Committee 00:44:18.360 --> 00:44:20.960 February 00:44:21.320 --> 00:44:23.880 2024 you're moving at Council grig 00:44:23.960 --> 00:44:27.000 thank you counc B you're seconding 00:44:27.079 --> 00:44:29.880 that thank you very 00:44:31.800 --> 00:44:35.159 much no one's wishing to speak I'll put 00:44:35.239 --> 00:44:36.440 24 00:44:36.519 --> 00:44:38.960 sp009 recommendations of the traffic 00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:40.559 facilities and Road Safety Committee 00:44:40.639 --> 00:44:43.559 February 2024 moved by Council grig 00:44:43.639 --> 00:44:45.480 second by Council Buckley and I'll do 00:44:45.559 --> 00:44:47.519 that by sharp hands all those in favour 00:44:47.599 --> 00:44:49.639 council ad councilor anave Council 00:44:49.719 --> 00:44:52.159 Conroy Council GRE Council Bela Council 00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:54.280 Pauling Council Bishop Council Buckley 00:44:54.360 --> 00:44:58.760 Council Warner Council Fraser C that 00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:04.119 carried inspection reports councilor we 00:45:04.199 --> 00:45:08.639 have we have one inspection 00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:12.480 report and I note that 00:45:12.559 --> 00:45:16.000 Council Bishop has declared an 00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:19.400 interest and is leaving the 00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:27.280 chamber councils I'll open up 24 SP 10 00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:30.079 council site inspection Charlestown 15 00:45:30.159 --> 00:45:32.239 Princess Avenue multi dwelling housing 00:45:32.320 --> 00:45:34.440 and strata 00:45:34.519 --> 00:45:37.039 subdivision your wish we were out on 00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:40.559 site last Thursday afternoon councilor 00:45:40.639 --> 00:45:42.639 Pauling you're moving the recommendation 00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:43.519 as 00:45:43.599 --> 00:45:46.119 printed do I have a second Council 00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:48.639 ancliff thank you you're wishing to 00:45:48.719 --> 00:45:50.719 speak councilor Pauling thank you I yes 00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:54.320 I will briefly Madame May once again 00:45:54.400 --> 00:45:56.000 one of those tough ones but that's 00:45:56.079 --> 00:45:59.679 why what's why we're here at the last 00:45:59.760 --> 00:46:01.880 committee meeting I moved something very 00:46:01.960 --> 00:46:04.320 similar if not these exact words that 00:46:04.400 --> 00:46:06.760 said my fellow councilor thought it 00:46:06.840 --> 00:46:08.079 best to go and have a look at the site 00:46:08.159 --> 00:46:11.840 which we did do and there is no doubt 00:46:11.920 --> 00:46:12.920 that the 00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:15.880 street has some congestion issues comes 00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:19.480 back to however the da before us once 00:46:19.559 --> 00:46:21.480 again Street congestion is part of that 00:46:21.559 --> 00:46:23.880 but overall on on Merit in terms of we 00:46:23.960 --> 00:46:25.360 go back to the points that are raised at 00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:29.599 the last me we have a a reasonable 00:46:29.679 --> 00:46:30.719 development 00:46:30.800 --> 00:46:33.599 application largely compliant with 00:46:33.679 --> 00:46:35.320 strong Merit smack bang in the middle of 00:46:35.400 --> 00:46:37.760 an R3 Zone and that's one of the key 00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:40.360 issues here charlest is a growth Center 00:46:40.440 --> 00:46:42.239 has been for a long time that 00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:46.159 proximity to nodes where people can work 00:46:46.239 --> 00:46:50.119 access transport Etc ironically without 00:46:50.199 --> 00:46:52.679 cars is one of those key issues here if 00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:56.199 we get this R3 right then some of the 00:46:56.280 --> 00:46:57.440 congestion we see on some of these 00:46:57.519 --> 00:46:59.199 streets will start to reduce because 00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:01.079 people will have Alternatives they'll 00:47:01.159 --> 00:47:03.519 catch a scooter they'll jp on a or 00:47:03.599 --> 00:47:05.840 purple bike they'll get a new whatever 00:47:05.920 --> 00:47:08.079 it might be because they won't need a 00:47:08.159 --> 00:47:09.679 car the way they do currently because 00:47:09.760 --> 00:47:11.280 we'll have the density of those nodes 00:47:11.360 --> 00:47:12.599 now none of that is particularly 00:47:12.679 --> 00:47:14.639 relevant other than from some of the 00:47:14.719 --> 00:47:16.800 considerations of where state government 00:47:16.880 --> 00:47:20.480 is heading and why we have R3 near 00:47:20.559 --> 00:47:23.199 charest down we have R3 near Chown for a 00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:25.840 reason and that is it's a noal center 00:47:25.920 --> 00:47:27.800 and we want to support that infill 00:47:27.880 --> 00:47:29.760 development and we've got some some 00:47:29.840 --> 00:47:31.639 Works underway in relation to that in 00:47:31.719 --> 00:47:34.519 relation to some of our policies I 00:47:34.599 --> 00:47:37.960 don't think I learned anything new at 00:47:38.039 --> 00:47:39.639 the site inspection I I was familiar 00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:43.519 with the site beforehand and my 00:47:43.599 --> 00:47:46.400 assessment of appropriate Merit remains 00:47:46.480 --> 00:47:49.400 exactly as it was that's not to say that 00:47:49.480 --> 00:47:50.679 there once again there will be 00:47:50.760 --> 00:47:52.320 inconvenience during construction I've 00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:53.800 got no doubt there will be some dramas 00:47:53.880 --> 00:47:55.599 in that street once it's built however 00:47:55.679 --> 00:47:57.480 ever I think there'll be some lovely 00:47:57.559 --> 00:47:59.519 homes and we will deliver some lovely 00:47:59.599 --> 00:48:02.679 dreams for some either residents move 00:48:02.760 --> 00:48:04.800 within our city or new residents that 00:48:04.880 --> 00:48:06.679 come to our city to help appreciate 00:48:06.760 --> 00:48:09.159 their dreams hopefully they live nearby 00:48:09.239 --> 00:48:11.239 hopefully they have alternative 00:48:11.320 --> 00:48:13.440 either alternative transport or microt 00:48:13.519 --> 00:48:15.519 transport that allows them to get to the 00:48:15.599 --> 00:48:17.360 get allows them to get to the jobs that 00:48:17.440 --> 00:48:20.360 they have in the Metropolis that Char 00:48:20.440 --> 00:48:23.440 stand is becoming and right or wrong 00:48:23.519 --> 00:48:26.639 I think Lake mccy has struggled with 00:48:26.719 --> 00:48:28.760 that as it's transitioned from multiple 00:48:28.840 --> 00:48:32.039 little villages to a very major economic 00:48:32.119 --> 00:48:35.320 Powerhouse we're seeing that tension in 00:48:35.400 --> 00:48:37.960 the heavier infill areas whether it's 00:48:38.039 --> 00:48:40.960 Charlestown Cardiff those sorts of 00:48:41.039 --> 00:48:42.719 areas or in the west where it's been 00:48:42.800 --> 00:48:44.519 more sparely populated and we're 00:48:44.599 --> 00:48:45.639 starting to get some development and 00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:47.639 infield application sorry and we're 00:48:47.719 --> 00:48:49.840 starting to get some Greenfield site 00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:51.519 and tidy up of some of the old paper 00:48:51.599 --> 00:48:54.039 subdivisions in those areas as well 00:48:54.119 --> 00:48:56.320 that said Madame Mayor happy to support 00:48:56.400 --> 00:48:59.880 this in full I apologize to local 00:48:59.960 --> 00:49:02.199 residents no doubt there'll be I'm sure 00:49:02.280 --> 00:49:03.679 we're not on any of their Christmas card 00:49:03.760 --> 00:49:06.119 list right now I've got no doubt about 00:49:06.199 --> 00:49:07.559 that and there there will be some pain 00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:09.880 during construction however I would 00:49:09.960 --> 00:49:13.119 encourage them to ensure that the plans 00:49:13.199 --> 00:49:14.599 are put in place there will be traffic 00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:16.280 management plans there will be 00:49:16.360 --> 00:49:18.199 construction management plans if tradies 00:49:18.280 --> 00:49:20.559 aren't complying then we need to look at 00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:22.679 the enforcements activities to make sure 00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:24.719 that they do and that's part of this 00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:27.400 process applications come before us we 00:49:27.480 --> 00:49:29.480 assess it on its merits and we create 00:49:29.559 --> 00:49:32.039 conditions of consent so that the impact 00:49:32.119 --> 00:49:34.079 on the surrounding residents and so that 00:49:34.159 --> 00:49:36.960 the resulting product whatever that 00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:40.039 might be is as palatable as it can be 00:49:40.119 --> 00:49:42.519 where through that process things go off 00:49:42.599 --> 00:49:44.440 the rails we need to help get that back 00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:46.800 on on track and so in that regard I 00:49:46.880 --> 00:49:49.679 would encourage residents that if the 00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:51.880 developer takes Liberties if Tradesmen 00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:54.519 take Liberties through this process use 00:49:54.599 --> 00:49:56.480 every Avenue available able to them to 00:49:56.559 --> 00:49:58.159 minimize the impact on them from day to 00:49:58.239 --> 00:50:01.000 day thank you Madame May thank 00:50:01.079 --> 00:50:04.400 you councilor ad yes thank you Madame 00:50:04.480 --> 00:50:06.519 May I'm pleased to see that 00:50:06.599 --> 00:50:08.920 councilors did have an opportunity to go 00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:10.800 out and look at the side and realize the 00:50:10.880 --> 00:50:13.239 complexities I'm speaking against the 00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:16.880 proposal I mentioned before with the 00:50:16.960 --> 00:50:18.760 different development that it's been 00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:21.639 my experience the Das bring about 00:50:21.719 --> 00:50:24.400 changes and improvements in 00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:26.320 particular things such traffic and the 00:50:26.400 --> 00:50:30.039 like a couple of questions to staff 00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:32.400 first of all is there any plans for 00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:35.599 affordable housing in this 00:50:35.679 --> 00:50:37.199 development 00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:40.599 Mr Mr 00:50:43.360 --> 00:50:45.840 Corgan thank you through you madam Mayor 00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:48.599 there are not plans specifically for 00:50:48.679 --> 00:50:50.599 affordable development through this 00:50:50.679 --> 00:50:53.039 proposal it is not part of the proposal 00:50:53.119 --> 00:50:55.119 thank you Madame May and another 00:50:55.199 --> 00:50:59.320 question question if a person is 00:50:59.400 --> 00:51:01.760 building on a housing block putting up a 00:51:01.840 --> 00:51:05.800 single dwelling what is the amount of 00:51:05.880 --> 00:51:08.880 offroad parking that's required for that 00:51:08.960 --> 00:51:10.239 sort of a 00:51:10.320 --> 00:51:13.840 site Council you're talking about the 00:51:13.920 --> 00:51:14.920 particular site the development 00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:16.840 application or you're talking about a a 00:51:16.920 --> 00:51:21.440 general house building Mr Corgan thank 00:51:21.519 --> 00:51:23.360 you through you Madame Mayor two 00:51:23.440 --> 00:51:25.719 spaces would be applicable to a single 00:51:25.800 --> 00:51:28.639 dwelling house thank you Madame Mayor 00:51:28.719 --> 00:51:32.079 so I I do have some concerns about 00:51:32.159 --> 00:51:35.960 the the Topography of the street the 00:51:36.039 --> 00:51:38.079 parking problems the fact that if 00:51:38.159 --> 00:51:40.599 someone was building their own house on 00:51:40.679 --> 00:51:43.880 a block of land they' need to put two 00:51:43.960 --> 00:51:47.599 parking lots off of the street and 00:51:47.679 --> 00:51:49.320 that's obviously not what's happening 00:51:49.400 --> 00:51:51.360 with with these sorts of certain things 00:51:51.440 --> 00:51:54.159 and I really do like the concept of the 00:51:54.239 --> 00:51:57.400 Utopia where we can get from place to 00:51:57.480 --> 00:51:59.880 place without needing to use cars and 00:51:59.960 --> 00:52:02.079 the like but from the last statistics I 00:52:02.159 --> 00:52:05.360 recall in terms of late mccy we tended 00:52:05.440 --> 00:52:08.039 to be a place where people lived and 00:52:08.119 --> 00:52:10.880 commuted to other places for their work 00:52:10.960 --> 00:52:13.159 and that doesn't necessarily open up 00:52:13.239 --> 00:52:15.679 the opportunities however it would be 00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:19.400 wonderful in some of our more intense 00:52:19.480 --> 00:52:21.519 developed areas for people to be able to 00:52:21.599 --> 00:52:23.920 walk to the shops and to walk to 00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:26.360 facilities the cin and the like but we 00:52:26.440 --> 00:52:29.280 do need to remember the reality that we 00:52:29.360 --> 00:52:31.679 live in a place where people like to 00:52:31.760 --> 00:52:34.320 live here because it's wonderful The 00:52:34.400 --> 00:52:36.880 environment's Fabulous we've got a 00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:39.239 lake we've got all of these other things 00:52:39.320 --> 00:52:42.840 but they then do need to drive some 00:52:42.920 --> 00:52:44.760 distance to be able to get to employment 00:52:44.840 --> 00:52:47.480 so it's it's part of the reality that 00:52:47.559 --> 00:52:49.719 that we deal with from time to time so 00:52:49.800 --> 00:52:52.880 I understand that many of the 00:52:52.960 --> 00:52:55.599 boxes are ticked with this but I do have 00:52:55.679 --> 00:52:59.599 my concerns about the safety in terms of 00:52:59.679 --> 00:53:02.400 parking and movement around the 00:53:02.480 --> 00:53:04.679 streets and so I will be opposing the 00:53:04.760 --> 00:53:06.800 application Madame May thank 00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:09.880 you councilor ancl thank you Madame 00:53:09.960 --> 00:53:13.239 Mayor I think Pi on Council pauling's 00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:16.320 point we we are here to make these 00:53:16.400 --> 00:53:18.599 difficult decisions I I speak in support 00:53:18.679 --> 00:53:21.719 of this application and was out there on 00:53:21.800 --> 00:53:24.679 site last last week and heard the 00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:26.000 concern 00:53:26.079 --> 00:53:28.119 of residents I I think it's reasonable 00:53:28.199 --> 00:53:29.599 to say the decisions we make in this 00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:31.480 chamber are not always going to be liked 00:53:31.559 --> 00:53:33.079 but we need to make decisions that are 00:53:33.159 --> 00:53:35.360 in the best interest of the city and 00:53:35.440 --> 00:53:38.280 that is not just the city of today and 00:53:38.360 --> 00:53:39.719 it's not the city of tomorrow it's the 00:53:39.800 --> 00:53:42.000 city of beyond that and into the 00:53:42.079 --> 00:53:44.039 future in saying that the community 00:53:44.119 --> 00:53:46.880 concerns are well warranted it is a 00:53:46.960 --> 00:53:49.199 narrow Street there's no denying that 00:53:49.280 --> 00:53:50.960 there are complexities in the topography 00:53:51.039 --> 00:53:52.679 there is no denying that but I think you 00:53:52.760 --> 00:53:55.360 will find that in most parts of our City 00:53:55.440 --> 00:53:59.360 we are a fairly hilly city in terms 00:53:59.440 --> 00:54:02.719 of my perspective here we we've set the 00:54:02.800 --> 00:54:05.639 ground rules around what R3 can look 00:54:05.719 --> 00:54:07.280 like that's think that we've made it a 00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:10.639 broader decision if we question that 00:54:10.719 --> 00:54:12.199 methodology every time that something 00:54:12.280 --> 00:54:15.320 comes up that there is community angst 00:54:15.400 --> 00:54:17.599 we may never build anything in this city 00:54:17.679 --> 00:54:20.760 we need to understand that with R3 00:54:20.840 --> 00:54:22.920 there will need to be change around some 00:54:23.000 --> 00:54:24.440 of the expectations and that is 00:54:24.519 --> 00:54:27.079 expectation around parking maybe we need 00:54:27.159 --> 00:54:28.639 to come to the point as a city where we 00:54:28.719 --> 00:54:30.280 realize that you know what you're not 00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:31.440 going to be able to park on the street 00:54:31.519 --> 00:54:34.159 in some places and for me I think we 00:54:34.239 --> 00:54:35.639 need to accept that that's going to be 00:54:35.719 --> 00:54:36.559 what it's going to be like and that's 00:54:36.639 --> 00:54:38.960 going to be okay I think similar the 00:54:39.039 --> 00:54:41.039 density piece has the same conversation 00:54:41.119 --> 00:54:43.800 at the moment there is very much a 00:54:43.880 --> 00:54:46.320 community feeling that we 00:54:46.400 --> 00:54:48.960 want we like density except when it's 00:54:49.039 --> 00:54:51.679 next door we need to change the 00:54:51.760 --> 00:54:53.840 expectation as a city more broader to go 00:54:53.920 --> 00:54:56.199 no no density is part of the future for 00:54:56.280 --> 00:54:59.480 us and similar this immensity of Life 00:54:59.559 --> 00:55:01.679 piece also comes into this and we've 00:55:01.760 --> 00:55:03.440 spoken about it in other locations 00:55:03.519 --> 00:55:05.679 around our city and not dissimilar in 00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:07.719 moriset where there is booming growth 00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:10.119 around maybe we need to accept that 00:55:10.199 --> 00:55:11.719 instead of it taking 5 minutes to drive 00:55:11.800 --> 00:55:13.719 somewhere it is going to take 15 and 00:55:13.800 --> 00:55:16.880 that's just part of our City's growing 00:55:16.960 --> 00:55:20.280 pressures I talk to lots of people my 00:55:20.360 --> 00:55:22.679 age with young families as well who 00:55:22.760 --> 00:55:24.599 can't afford to live in our city would 00:55:24.679 --> 00:55:26.679 love to we have a beautiful city but 00:55:26.760 --> 00:55:28.679 they can't afford to live here there 00:55:28.760 --> 00:55:30.840 isn't the 00:55:30.920 --> 00:55:33.679 supply I think this is a a really good 00:55:33.760 --> 00:55:35.360 development in the sense that this is 00:55:35.440 --> 00:55:37.199 this is what we're asking for in these 00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:39.239 zones this is what state government 00:55:39.320 --> 00:55:40.960 is talking about this density piece 00:55:41.039 --> 00:55:44.639 around nodes or around central locations 00:55:44.719 --> 00:55:46.960 we are near transport we are near shops 00:55:47.039 --> 00:55:48.639 in theory we're near the jobs that come 00:55:48.719 --> 00:55:51.480 with it I would also say I don't think 00:55:51.559 --> 00:55:53.000 all our development can come from 00:55:53.079 --> 00:55:55.199 Greenfield there seems to be this you 00:55:55.280 --> 00:55:57.760 know we've also got this push to go we 00:55:57.840 --> 00:56:00.360 go out go Suburbia but I think part of 00:56:00.440 --> 00:56:02.559 this is really going no no let's utilize 00:56:02.639 --> 00:56:05.159 the AR3 Zone let's make the R3 Zone what 00:56:05.239 --> 00:56:07.840 we set it out to be that is going to be 00:56:07.920 --> 00:56:09.639 difficult for some people to accept not 00:56:09.719 --> 00:56:11.760 everyone's going to like that but as I 00:56:11.840 --> 00:56:14.119 said for me we make decisions that are 00:56:14.199 --> 00:56:15.760 about the future of our city and for me 00:56:15.840 --> 00:56:17.519 this is this is a good development when 00:56:17.599 --> 00:56:19.159 I think about it in that way thank you 00:56:19.239 --> 00:56:21.360 madam Mayor thank you Council 00:56:21.440 --> 00:56:24.079 inff Council Conroy I just have a 00:56:24.159 --> 00:56:27.000 question for please Madame Mayor how 00:56:27.079 --> 00:56:29.400 are our car parking rates for different 00:56:29.480 --> 00:56:31.039 zones of development such as in this 00:56:31.119 --> 00:56:36.199 case R3 set in terms of policy making 00:56:36.280 --> 00:56:38.599 Mr 00:56:41.760 --> 00:56:45.000 corrian Mr 00:56:45.320 --> 00:56:48.199 anff Madame Mayor through you the 00:56:48.280 --> 00:56:51.360 parking rates are set as part of our DCP 00:56:51.440 --> 00:56:54.199 development control plan process they 00:56:54.280 --> 00:56:57.119 vary dependent on the Zone in which 00:56:57.199 --> 00:56:59.519 the development is is happening 00:56:59.599 --> 00:57:03.280 typically zones like r3s would have a 00:57:03.360 --> 00:57:06.199 lesser component than an R2 for example 00:57:06.280 --> 00:57:09.840 because of their typically geographic 00:57:09.920 --> 00:57:11.880 location to to centers where there are 00:57:11.960 --> 00:57:16.320 more public transport options 00:57:16.880 --> 00:57:18.960 available thank you Madame M just to 00:57:19.039 --> 00:57:21.400 follow up if I may so just to clarify 00:57:21.480 --> 00:57:23.519 the DCP is the docent and its 00:57:23.599 --> 00:57:26.000 revisions are is the docent that comes 00:57:26.079 --> 00:57:28.599 towards before Council before the 00:57:28.679 --> 00:57:30.519 councilor and the councilors here at 00:57:30.599 --> 00:57:34.320 this table are adopt those 00:57:34.400 --> 00:57:37.199 rates Mr anff Madame May through you as 00:57:37.280 --> 00:57:39.800 the DCP is modified yes it will come to 00:57:39.880 --> 00:57:42.800 council for adoption thank you very much 00:57:42.880 --> 00:57:45.320 Mr ancliff and thank you councilor 00:57:45.400 --> 00:57:47.039 ancliff for also alluding to the fact 00:57:47.119 --> 00:57:48.599 that it is actually the councilors here 00:57:48.679 --> 00:57:52.199 at this table that shape what the R3 00:57:52.280 --> 00:57:54.880 determinations are what the density that 00:57:54.960 --> 00:57:56.239 we're currently 00:57:56.320 --> 00:57:59.840 allowing is this is a very frustrating 00:57:59.920 --> 00:58:01.480 process for a lot of the residents on 00:58:01.559 --> 00:58:03.320 Princess Avenue this has been a 00:58:03.400 --> 00:58:05.519 development that has been discussed for 00:58:05.599 --> 00:58:08.760 a nber of years there were 00:58:08.840 --> 00:58:10.800 significant issues with overshadowing 00:58:10.880 --> 00:58:12.360 previously and those issues have now 00:58:12.440 --> 00:58:15.039 been addressed it's really important 00:58:15.119 --> 00:58:17.519 that as our city grows and 00:58:17.599 --> 00:58:20.920 changes I think Council Pauling has 00:58:21.000 --> 00:58:22.679 made this point a nber of times 00:58:22.760 --> 00:58:25.280 tonight we're not seeking the perfect 00:58:25.360 --> 00:58:27.360 we're seeking what's compliant we're 00:58:27.440 --> 00:58:29.599 seeking what meets our legislative 00:58:29.679 --> 00:58:32.559 requirements and in this case while 00:58:32.639 --> 00:58:34.159 there is going to be a significant 00:58:34.239 --> 00:58:36.079 inconvenience for residents in this 00:58:36.159 --> 00:58:40.159 community this checks the boxes and 00:58:40.239 --> 00:58:42.320 it's something that I will now be 00:58:42.400 --> 00:58:43.960 supporting thank you Madame 00:58:44.039 --> 00:58:47.280 Mayor thank 00:58:48.599 --> 00:58:52.320 you councilor Pauling a write a 00:58:52.400 --> 00:58:54.320 reply unless you'd like to speak 00:58:54.400 --> 00:58:55.840 madam 00:58:55.920 --> 00:58:58.199 no no I'll let you do your right of 00:58:58.280 --> 00:59:00.320 reply Council Paul all I will say is 00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:02.360 I'll be supporting the recommend 00:59:02.440 --> 00:59:04.199 recommendation as printed and I 00:59:04.280 --> 00:59:06.599 understand when we were out on site 00:59:06.679 --> 00:59:08.760 the in from the community I 00:59:08.840 --> 00:59:11.639 understand that and I think that a 00:59:11.719 --> 00:59:13.159 lot of members of our community aren't 00:59:13.239 --> 00:59:15.000 aware of the zoning where they live and 00:59:15.079 --> 00:59:18.519 once it's an R3 zoning it's sort of 00:59:18.599 --> 00:59:21.880 says to all of us and it's R3 zoning 00:59:21.960 --> 00:59:23.480 indicates that there will be high 00:59:23.559 --> 00:59:25.719 density in that area 00:59:25.800 --> 00:59:27.880 and unfortunately some of the 00:59:27.960 --> 00:59:29.239 residents were una aware of that that it 00:59:29.320 --> 00:59:33.480 was R3 and this Council determined 00:59:33.559 --> 00:59:35.599 where the R3 would go and that was one 00:59:35.679 --> 00:59:37.599 of the streets that they said would 00:59:37.679 --> 00:59:39.960 have R3 we're always looking to 00:59:40.039 --> 00:59:42.880 intensify development around our town 00:59:42.960 --> 00:59:45.760 centers Charles Town's a major Center 00:59:45.840 --> 00:59:48.239 so therefore if we were to refuse the 00:59:48.320 --> 00:59:50.519 application T night it it would sort of 00:59:50.599 --> 00:59:53.800 send a signal to the council staff 00:59:53.880 --> 00:59:56.440 that we determined to be R3 but we're 00:59:56.519 --> 00:59:59.280 not happy with it being R3 so that's not 00:59:59.360 --> 01:00:01.079 a decision we should be doing here we've 01:00:01.159 --> 01:00:02.400 already made our decision that we want 01:00:02.480 --> 01:00:05.199 it to be R3 we want to have that in 01:00:05.280 --> 01:00:07.199 intensification around our town centers 01:00:07.280 --> 01:00:09.760 we don't want to knock down more trees 01:00:09.840 --> 01:00:11.960 we see our city is a sprawling City 01:00:12.039 --> 01:00:13.800 we don't want to continue with that 01:00:13.880 --> 01:00:16.239 we talk about infill housing so and this 01:00:16.320 --> 01:00:17.719 is where the rubber hits the road this 01:00:17.800 --> 01:00:19.239 is where you have to be brave and bold 01:00:19.320 --> 01:00:21.199 and say I know the community aren't 01:00:21.280 --> 01:00:22.880 going to be happy with our decision but 01:00:22.960 --> 01:00:24.199 we need to make the right decision we 01:00:24.280 --> 01:00:26.119 need make sure there's that diversity of 01:00:26.199 --> 01:00:28.599 Housing and people can move into the 01:00:28.679 --> 01:00:30.840 Charlestown area in other areas so thank 01:00:30.920 --> 01:00:32.679 you Council Paul I'd let you have your 01:00:32.760 --> 01:00:36.719 WR reply thank you madam Mayor two 01:00:36.800 --> 01:00:38.440 two quick things in relation to this 01:00:38.519 --> 01:00:39.800 firstly I think it's important to note 01:00:39.880 --> 01:00:41.159 that the density of this site has 01:00:41.239 --> 01:00:43.320 reduced through the iterations of the 01:00:43.400 --> 01:00:45.960 the application the density has 01:00:46.039 --> 01:00:48.599 reduced and it's that there is an 01:00:48.679 --> 01:00:50.920 interplay affordable housing typically 01:00:51.000 --> 01:00:53.920 means smaller more dense lots and that 01:00:54.000 --> 01:00:55.199 that is a difficulty that we need to 01:00:55.280 --> 01:00:58.000 deal with as well I'm confident that 01:00:58.079 --> 01:00:59.199 the off street parking is fairly well 01:00:59.280 --> 01:01:00.559 covered certainly from a standard point 01:01:00.639 --> 01:01:03.599 of view we are over the the two parks 01:01:03.679 --> 01:01:06.360 per a lot of unit in this instance 01:01:06.440 --> 01:01:07.800 and I and I'm comfortable with that at 01:01:07.880 --> 01:01:09.679 the moment I want to commend and 01:01:09.760 --> 01:01:11.039 acknowledge the contributions of the 01:01:11.119 --> 01:01:12.880 bate here councilor Conroy and councel 01:01:12.960 --> 01:01:15.320 AD I think I think both put their points 01:01:15.400 --> 01:01:17.679 really well but gold star goes to 01:01:17.760 --> 01:01:21.079 councilor an enli I I felt like I 01:01:21.159 --> 01:01:22.480 struggled with articulation a bit 01:01:22.559 --> 01:01:24.440 tonight but I thought he nailed that 01:01:24.519 --> 01:01:26.199 really really well I was like I wish I 01:01:26.280 --> 01:01:28.199 had done that better in the first 01:01:28.280 --> 01:01:31.679 instance and gone to to that level so I 01:01:31.760 --> 01:01:33.199 think this is what council's about 01:01:33.280 --> 01:01:35.719 dealing with complex matters weighing 01:01:35.800 --> 01:01:37.599 the various elements and then 01:01:37.679 --> 01:01:40.079 appropriate respectful debate and as 01:01:40.159 --> 01:01:42.360 I said I certainly commend my fellow 01:01:42.440 --> 01:01:43.920 councilor who don't I don't always see 01:01:44.000 --> 01:01:45.840 I die with in relation to how this one's 01:01:45.920 --> 01:01:47.440 been handled thank you Madame May that 01:01:47.519 --> 01:01:48.480 said fully in support of the 01:01:48.559 --> 01:01:50.599 recommendation as it stands and I hope 01:01:50.679 --> 01:01:52.280 Council support the motion thank you 01:01:52.360 --> 01:01:54.400 thank you Council ping that now has 01:01:54.480 --> 01:01:55.320 close the 01:01:55.400 --> 01:01:59.880 debate I'll put 24 SP 010 council site 01:01:59.960 --> 01:02:01.920 inspection charlest toown 15 Princess 01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:03.800 Avenue multi dwelling housing and stral 01:02:03.880 --> 01:02:06.239 subdivision moved by councilor Pauling 01:02:06.320 --> 01:02:08.199 second by councilor anff I do that by sh 01:02:08.280 --> 01:02:10.000 of hands all those in favour councilor 01:02:10.079 --> 01:02:12.159 anff Council Conroy Council Greek 01:02:12.239 --> 01:02:14.440 Council belcha Council Pauling Council 01:02:14.519 --> 01:02:16.360 Buckley councilor Warner Council Fraser 01:02:16.440 --> 01:02:20.360 against Council adway declare it carried 01:02:20.440 --> 01:02:22.679 and we'll now ask 01:02:22.760 --> 01:02:25.719 counselor Bishop the May to return to 01:02:25.800 --> 01:02:27.960 the 01:02:41.400 --> 01:02:45.000 chamber councilors mattered referred 01:02:45.079 --> 01:02:47.559 nil tender reports 01:02:47.639 --> 01:02:50.639 nil we have one notice of motion 01:02:50.719 --> 01:02:56.480 councilor 24 NM 00 1 review and 01:02:56.559 --> 01:02:58.679 greater assistance to Residents impacted 01:02:58.760 --> 01:03:00.239 by pp out 01:03:00.320 --> 01:03:03.559 changes counc Pauling you're 01:03:03.639 --> 01:03:05.559 moving as 01:03:05.639 --> 01:03:07.599 printed do I have a 01:03:07.679 --> 01:03:11.239 second councilor Greg thank you 01:03:11.320 --> 01:03:13.440 councilor Pauling you wishing to speak 01:03:13.519 --> 01:03:16.280 yes please Madame May Madame 01:03:16.360 --> 01:03:19.559 Mayor this is one of those times where I 01:03:19.639 --> 01:03:20.840 feel like I've been off my game a bit 01:03:20.920 --> 01:03:23.480 tonight and it's because of this matter 01:03:23.559 --> 01:03:25.800 it's it is an emotional matter and 01:03:25.880 --> 01:03:27.440 I've got a lot of thoughts swirling 01:03:27.519 --> 01:03:28.840 around that I'll try and articulate as 01:03:28.920 --> 01:03:29.920 best I 01:03:30.000 --> 01:03:34.079 can I understand how we got to where we 01:03:34.159 --> 01:03:37.719 are in terms of the the justification 01:03:37.800 --> 01:03:40.400 of this isn't really council's problem 01:03:40.480 --> 01:03:41.880 it's not our fault that these places 01:03:41.960 --> 01:03:45.239 don't have sewer all 195 of them 01:03:45.320 --> 01:03:47.320 though I understand that 23 of them 01:03:47.400 --> 01:03:49.199 probably could so at the end of the day 01:03:49.280 --> 01:03:52.800 we're talking 170 odd houses here out of 01:03:52.880 --> 01:03:56.320 80,000 dwellings or buildings within L 01:03:56.400 --> 01:03:58.880 Cory give or take this is quite a 01:03:58.960 --> 01:04:01.840 small nber and yet somehow we haven't 01:04:01.920 --> 01:04:03.960 managed to get that right so I think I'm 01:04:04.039 --> 01:04:06.079 probably cranky at other agencies 01:04:06.159 --> 01:04:08.360 disappointed in other agencies hey why 01:04:08.440 --> 01:04:09.760 can't we just get some sord of these 01:04:09.840 --> 01:04:12.159 people particularly given where these 01:04:12.239 --> 01:04:14.719 are located these are growth areas and 01:04:14.800 --> 01:04:16.320 they people just on the fringes just 01:04:16.400 --> 01:04:17.880 that little bit too far away or just 01:04:17.960 --> 01:04:20.280 that little bit too much capacity and 01:04:20.360 --> 01:04:22.599 that sort of makes me cranky and and 01:04:22.679 --> 01:04:25.559 worked up and I understand the the staff 01:04:25.639 --> 01:04:30.760 justification where they say hey we this 01:04:30.840 --> 01:04:32.599 isn't our problem we've done it for a 01:04:32.679 --> 01:04:34.239 while contract's coming to an end we 01:04:34.320 --> 01:04:35.920 think people can probably get a better 01:04:36.000 --> 01:04:38.280 deal maybe or a more appropriate deal 01:04:38.360 --> 01:04:41.559 with less inter subsidization if they if 01:04:41.639 --> 01:04:43.079 they band together and do it alone and 01:04:43.159 --> 01:04:45.480 Rite up their own contracts which 01:04:45.559 --> 01:04:47.480 once again I get that that makes sense 01:04:47.559 --> 01:04:50.840 from a bureaucratic point of view the 01:04:50.920 --> 01:04:53.760 big bit where it misses the mark though 01:04:53.840 --> 01:04:57.639 is how we've executed this the Civic 01:04:57.719 --> 01:05:00.559 leadership that we've shown and I think 01:05:00.639 --> 01:05:03.840 we have massively misunderstood the 01:05:03.920 --> 01:05:06.079 impact that this has on the residents 01:05:06.159 --> 01:05:08.159 lives when they receive this letter that 01:05:08.239 --> 01:05:09.840 said hey this pp at system that we've 01:05:09.920 --> 01:05:11.320 been sort of coordinating on your behalf 01:05:11.400 --> 01:05:12.719 lasted a 01:05:12.800 --> 01:05:16.760 while now you're on your own 01:05:16.840 --> 01:05:19.679 and to their credit I've spoken to quite 01:05:19.760 --> 01:05:21.159 a nber of residents about this I I got 01:05:21.239 --> 01:05:22.800 more calls about this than anything else 01:05:22.880 --> 01:05:26.559 in recent memory which was surprising 01:05:26.639 --> 01:05:30.239 and scary talking to them these are 01:05:30.320 --> 01:05:34.360 smart articulate people this isn't like 01:05:34.440 --> 01:05:36.000 usually most issues you get a crazy 01:05:36.079 --> 01:05:38.000 element here and there you get the nism 01:05:38.079 --> 01:05:39.920 and you get the 01:05:40.000 --> 01:05:42.719 incoherent 01:05:42.800 --> 01:05:44.679 unjustified argents that people put 01:05:44.760 --> 01:05:47.079 forward just clutching at anything 01:05:47.159 --> 01:05:49.840 that's not the case here these are smart 01:05:49.920 --> 01:05:52.880 articulate people who truly don't know 01:05:52.960 --> 01:05:55.159 what to do they've tried to do what we 01:05:55.239 --> 01:05:56.920 told them which basically was said hey 01:05:57.000 --> 01:05:58.239 look yeah we're going to turn off your 01:05:58.320 --> 01:06:00.400 system Google some services near you and 01:06:00.480 --> 01:06:03.000 ring them up and and see how you get on 01:06:03.079 --> 01:06:05.159 we didn't lay the foundation with those 01:06:05.239 --> 01:06:08.360 potential suppliers well or if we did 01:06:08.440 --> 01:06:10.119 those potential suppliers have not 01:06:10.199 --> 01:06:11.880 sorted out their internal coms very well 01:06:11.960 --> 01:06:13.960 at all because I think that's almost 01:06:14.039 --> 01:06:15.639 been catastrophic how that one's played 01:06:15.719 --> 01:06:19.079 out the next bit after that is I 01:06:19.159 --> 01:06:21.280 think people feel a drift and astray 01:06:21.360 --> 01:06:22.920 because they've tried to do what we told 01:06:23.000 --> 01:06:25.559 them to do and it hasn't been successful 01:06:25.639 --> 01:06:28.440 yet the Silver Lining here if anything 01:06:28.519 --> 01:06:30.039 is that we've still got a few months to 01:06:30.119 --> 01:06:32.440 pull it together and like this motion is 01:06:32.519 --> 01:06:34.079 not particularly strong like this is hey 01:06:34.159 --> 01:06:35.960 look it shines a light on it says Hey 01:06:36.039 --> 01:06:38.880 Council you need to do better certainly 01:06:38.960 --> 01:06:41.360 if we can't do that in a couple of weeks 01:06:41.440 --> 01:06:42.960 time whether it's you know six weeks 01:06:43.039 --> 01:06:45.000 eight weeks time whatever that is if 01:06:45.079 --> 01:06:46.960 we're not getting on top of 01:06:47.039 --> 01:06:49.079 this very clearly I commit I'm going to 01:06:49.159 --> 01:06:50.599 try and double down on this I suspect 01:06:50.679 --> 01:06:51.719 we'll probably have some fights about 01:06:51.800 --> 01:06:54.280 jurisdictional influence and operation 01:06:54.360 --> 01:06:57.000 versus policy and whatnot but I put 01:06:57.079 --> 01:06:58.719 everyone on notice if we don't get this 01:06:58.800 --> 01:07:00.320 sorted and if we don't get this sorted 01:07:00.400 --> 01:07:03.119 soon it's on and I think this time 01:07:03.199 --> 01:07:04.760 rather than being on my own I reckon 01:07:04.840 --> 01:07:05.920 I've got a heap of councilor in my 01:07:06.000 --> 01:07:08.400 corner with me because we're all 01:07:08.480 --> 01:07:10.760 embarrassed we are deeply sorry for how 01:07:10.840 --> 01:07:13.840 this has played out and we express like 01:07:13.920 --> 01:07:17.039 for what I can for for myself and for 01:07:17.119 --> 01:07:19.000 the part that I play in in you know 01:07:19.079 --> 01:07:21.920 stewardship of the city I apologize for 01:07:22.000 --> 01:07:24.280 how this has played out when this was 01:07:24.360 --> 01:07:26.320 first presented it made perfect sense 01:07:26.400 --> 01:07:28.159 hey look contracts come to an end we're 01:07:28.239 --> 01:07:30.239 going to tell people about that they're 01:07:30.320 --> 01:07:31.679 be to strike better deals they probably 01:07:31.760 --> 01:07:33.159 get you it'll probably come out okay for 01:07:33.239 --> 01:07:34.760 them hey look I got that I didn't 01:07:34.840 --> 01:07:36.559 question it at the time that seems quite 01:07:36.639 --> 01:07:38.960 reasonable and I accepted it somewhere 01:07:39.039 --> 01:07:41.800 between that and where we are now and 01:07:41.880 --> 01:07:44.760 and this this evening's Public Access is 01:07:44.840 --> 01:07:48.559 an enormous gaping hole 01:07:48.639 --> 01:07:51.320 about Community 01:07:51.400 --> 01:07:54.639 stewardship about collabor ation 01:07:54.719 --> 01:07:56.320 consultation and assistance to our 01:07:56.400 --> 01:07:57.400 community and they're things that we've 01:07:57.480 --> 01:07:59.039 always pride ourselves on and that's why 01:07:59.119 --> 01:08:00.360 I think this what this one's rattled me 01:08:00.440 --> 01:08:03.000 so much I probably haven't said half 01:08:03.079 --> 01:08:05.679 the things I'd like to other than I 01:08:05.760 --> 01:08:08.559 sorry how it's played out as a city for 01:08:08.639 --> 01:08:10.320 what it's worth myself and fellow 01:08:10.400 --> 01:08:11.920 councilor are committed to sorting this 01:08:12.000 --> 01:08:13.480 out as best we can prices are probably 01:08:13.559 --> 01:08:15.440 going to go up we can't control that we 01:08:15.519 --> 01:08:17.520 cannot do this more cheaply than what 01:08:17.600 --> 01:08:21.000 someone will do it for that said we are 01:08:21.079 --> 01:08:23.479 nowwhere near the optimal solution yet 01:08:23.560 --> 01:08:26.439 and we have time to get this right and I 01:08:26.520 --> 01:08:28.359 would encourage us to do that thank you 01:08:28.439 --> 01:08:31.680 Madame May thank you Council 01:08:31.760 --> 01:08:34.359 Pauling councilor Buckley thank you 01:08:34.439 --> 01:08:36.680 Madame Mayor look I have a couple of 01:08:36.760 --> 01:08:40.840 questions to ask of Staff through you 01:08:40.920 --> 01:08:43.960 one is when I'd like to know when the 01:08:44.039 --> 01:08:46.560 letters were sent out because my 01:08:46.640 --> 01:08:48.079 understanding I think our understanding 01:08:48.159 --> 01:08:50.399 as councilor what was that the letters 01:08:50.479 --> 01:08:52.880 went out 2 months ago I might be 01:08:52.960 --> 01:08:54.520 incorrect there 01:08:54.600 --> 01:08:58.239 excuse me I'm sorry we I I know 01:08:58.319 --> 01:09:00.079 some of you obviously are here in 01:09:00.159 --> 01:09:01.760 relation to the pp out but I need to 01:09:01.840 --> 01:09:03.800 hear from the councilors and I will ask 01:09:03.880 --> 01:09:05.920 the gallery to be quiet I understand but 01:09:06.000 --> 01:09:08.000 we just want to get some facts here 01:09:08.079 --> 01:09:10.720 please bed Council Buckley so I'm 01:09:10.800 --> 01:09:13.239 just wondering when the letters did go 01:09:13.319 --> 01:09:16.279 out yes and I'm also wanting to know 01:09:16.359 --> 01:09:18.520 what communication there was between 01:09:18.600 --> 01:09:24.199 Council and the hunter water ramondus 01:09:24.279 --> 01:09:27.119 and the other businesses that could 01:09:27.199 --> 01:09:28.319 provide the 01:09:28.399 --> 01:09:30.840 service I would have I would have 01:09:30.920 --> 01:09:33.000 assed that there would have been some 01:09:33.079 --> 01:09:36.880 sort of indication to those businesses 01:09:36.960 --> 01:09:39.880 that we were going to be looking at 01:09:39.960 --> 01:09:41.800 this service and and ceasing this 01:09:41.880 --> 01:09:44.560 service and giving them a heads up and 01:09:44.640 --> 01:09:48.159 maybe discussing with them what support 01:09:48.239 --> 01:09:51.119 and you know what services they might be 01:09:51.199 --> 01:09:54.119 able to provide all right I'll just 01:09:54.199 --> 01:09:57.279 thank you miss 01:09:59.159 --> 01:10:02.920 Cameron M Mr 01:10:03.479 --> 01:10:06.279 pton through you Madame Mayor thank 01:10:06.359 --> 01:10:09.479 you so we certainly did a lot of work in 01:10:09.560 --> 01:10:11.880 the preparation to separate from it we 01:10:11.960 --> 01:10:14.840 did do call calls to providers that we 01:10:14.920 --> 01:10:16.960 thought could provide the service and we 01:10:17.039 --> 01:10:18.920 were given appropriate answers to 01:10:19.000 --> 01:10:20.960 suggest there was an opportunity for 01:10:21.039 --> 01:10:23.159 them to provide the service the 01:10:23.239 --> 01:10:25.600 correspond itself went out about 3 weeks 01:10:25.680 --> 01:10:28.439 ago which you know some residents may 01:10:28.520 --> 01:10:30.319 have liked longer but that that is the 01:10:30.399 --> 01:10:32.800 time that we've we've sent it out we 01:10:32.880 --> 01:10:35.439 have had contact with Huna water 01:10:35.520 --> 01:10:38.239 Corporation at nerous times during the 01:10:38.319 --> 01:10:40.399 you know the last 20 years with our 01:10:40.479 --> 01:10:44.399 interest to provide enhance that 01:10:44.479 --> 01:10:46.600 that infrastructure the the sewer 01:10:46.680 --> 01:10:49.239 infrastructure and we are aware 01:10:49.319 --> 01:10:50.880 certainly with the current provider 01:10:50.960 --> 01:10:54.000 being raas that they were interested in 01:10:54.079 --> 01:10:57.159 continuing to engage in this type of 01:10:57.239 --> 01:10:59.439 business moving forward so we were 01:10:59.520 --> 01:11:01.119 comfortable that there was opportunities 01:11:01.199 --> 01:11:03.760 for the private private sector to 01:11:03.840 --> 01:11:05.439 actually engage with the community and 01:11:05.520 --> 01:11:07.520 establish a a sound 01:11:07.600 --> 01:11:10.199 contract can I just ask some further 01:11:10.279 --> 01:11:12.479 questions or just interrogate that a 01:11:12.560 --> 01:11:14.399 little bit you said you've been in 01:11:14.479 --> 01:11:17.520 touch with Hunter water for the last 01:11:17.600 --> 01:11:20.079 20 years but has there been have they 01:11:20.159 --> 01:11:23.600 been advised that this our situation was 01:11:23.680 --> 01:11:25.960 changing recently so that they were 01:11:26.039 --> 01:11:28.119 aware that they would probably be 01:11:28.199 --> 01:11:31.520 getting calls regarding this 01:11:31.600 --> 01:11:34.880 issue the other the other thing is 01:11:34.960 --> 01:11:36.960 that you said you'd made some or 01:11:37.039 --> 01:11:38.880 Council had made some cold calls to 01:11:38.960 --> 01:11:40.079 other 01:11:40.159 --> 01:11:43.239 services was there any opportunity to 01:11:43.319 --> 01:11:46.760 engage with them to see you know maybe 01:11:46.840 --> 01:11:48.720 find out who could provide the service 01:11:48.800 --> 01:11:50.800 at a reasonable cost and maybe pass that 01:11:50.880 --> 01:11:54.199 information on to residents 01:11:54.279 --> 01:11:57.800 I to me it just seems like they 01:11:57.880 --> 01:12:01.720 possibly could have been a bit more 01:12:01.800 --> 01:12:06.159 rigor in the way this has been you 01:12:06.239 --> 01:12:09.000 know handled I'll ask this question Mr 01:12:09.079 --> 01:12:12.000 pton through you madam Mayor 01:12:12.079 --> 01:12:13.560 certainly the contact with with Hunter 01:12:13.640 --> 01:12:15.399 water Corporation has continued they 01:12:15.479 --> 01:12:18.199 will seek our advice on areas that could 01:12:18.279 --> 01:12:20.279 benefit from the expansion of their 01:12:20.359 --> 01:12:22.199 system so that would be the contact that 01:12:22.279 --> 01:12:25.119 we typically have majority of the 01:12:25.199 --> 01:12:27.399 properties in this case with a ppout 01:12:27.479 --> 01:12:30.520 may not have immediate access to the 01:12:30.600 --> 01:12:32.760 infrastructure as a you know let's just 01:12:32.840 --> 01:12:34.880 sign up there's approximately 23 of 01:12:34.960 --> 01:12:37.960 those 195 properties that do have Hunter 01:12:38.039 --> 01:12:40.960 water availability at the moment 01:12:41.039 --> 01:12:43.239 the opportunities and costs certainly 01:12:43.319 --> 01:12:45.279 when we did make contact with the 01:12:45.359 --> 01:12:48.159 different providers they gave what was a 01:12:48.239 --> 01:12:51.520 reasonable and you know indicative price 01:12:51.600 --> 01:12:54.640 that was similar to the price that that 01:12:54.720 --> 01:12:56.439 would be costing Council to provide that 01:12:56.520 --> 01:12:59.239 service and as recently as earlier this 01:12:59.319 --> 01:13:01.960 evening we have been we're aware that 01:13:02.039 --> 01:13:03.600 there is a provider lots of the 01:13:03.680 --> 01:13:05.119 community may not know this yet but 01:13:05.199 --> 01:13:07.159 there is a provider that is actively 01:13:07.239 --> 01:13:10.640 ready to provide quotes and they again 01:13:10.720 --> 01:13:14.720 I'll reiterate they are close to the the 01:13:14.800 --> 01:13:17.039 the the value of the service that we're 01:13:17.119 --> 01:13:19.039 previously providing and I only just 01:13:19.119 --> 01:13:21.479 became aware of that this evening 01:13:21.560 --> 01:13:24.359 certainly in terms of communication s 01:13:24.439 --> 01:13:26.359 we do have a meeting lined up with 01:13:26.439 --> 01:13:29.960 Hunter water Corporation to again bring 01:13:30.039 --> 01:13:31.600 that conversation up to the table to 01:13:31.680 --> 01:13:35.479 work out what opportunities we can 01:13:35.560 --> 01:13:38.079 you know ask for on top of those 23 01:13:38.159 --> 01:13:39.600 properties to see if there is more 01:13:39.680 --> 01:13:42.359 opportunity to expand and amplify that 01:13:42.439 --> 01:13:45.399 system thank you Council Buckley yeah 01:13:45.479 --> 01:13:47.680 thank 01:13:48.000 --> 01:13:51.359 you councilor add the FL yes thank 01:13:51.439 --> 01:13:53.840 you Madame Mayor I think 01:13:53.920 --> 01:13:57.600 on on this occasion it's possible 01:13:57.680 --> 01:13:59.000 that councilor Pauling has got himself 01:13:59.079 --> 01:14:00.600 wrong I believe he's been very 01:14:00.680 --> 01:14:02.600 articulate and I think that he's 01:14:02.680 --> 01:14:06.319 actually on his game tonight so so I 01:14:06.399 --> 01:14:08.560 think that that's a a rare compliment to 01:14:08.640 --> 01:14:11.359 pass across Council Pauling but but 01:14:11.439 --> 01:14:13.720 well deserved 01:14:13.800 --> 01:14:17.039 the situation we are in is a 01:14:17.119 --> 01:14:19.560 difficult situation it's a complex 01:14:19.640 --> 01:14:21.800 situation that most people in the city 01:14:21.880 --> 01:14:24.119 do not understand 01:14:24.199 --> 01:14:26.760 most people in the city when they flush 01:14:26.840 --> 01:14:29.840 the toilet that's where it goes into hun 01:14:29.920 --> 01:14:32.640 water into treatment plants a large part 01:14:32.720 --> 01:14:33.760 of our 01:14:33.840 --> 01:14:38.239 city has only the the facilities of 01:14:38.319 --> 01:14:41.000 transpiration onsite treatment or pp 01:14:41.079 --> 01:14:44.199 out and most people don't understand how 01:14:44.279 --> 01:14:47.520 that works this particular problem is 01:14:47.600 --> 01:14:49.760 affecting pp out it's not affecting 01:14:49.840 --> 01:14:52.199 transpiration it's not affecting onsite 01:14:52.279 --> 01:14:54.199 treatment but but the people who have 01:14:54.279 --> 01:14:59.439 pp out have a very important vital 01:14:59.520 --> 01:15:01.960 need for this to work 01:15:02.039 --> 01:15:05.760 properly it seems as if the situation 01:15:05.840 --> 01:15:09.439 we've got ourself into is one where 01:15:09.520 --> 01:15:12.159 there was an attempt to rationalize 01:15:12.239 --> 01:15:13.960 things to make things a little bit 01:15:14.039 --> 01:15:16.920 easier for everyone and to actually 01:15:17.000 --> 01:15:21.680 introduce Choice as opposed to a blanket 01:15:21.760 --> 01:15:24.000 contract and I know that some of the 01:15:24.079 --> 01:15:26.199 people in my community have told me over 01:15:26.279 --> 01:15:28.199 the years they would like to be able to 01:15:28.279 --> 01:15:31.800 employ their own ppout agency perhaps 01:15:31.880 --> 01:15:34.520 not trusting the the way in which 01:15:34.600 --> 01:15:39.079 Council does bulk things but we are in a 01:15:39.159 --> 01:15:41.960 situation where through a lack of 01:15:42.039 --> 01:15:44.159 communication through a lack of 01:15:44.239 --> 01:15:47.279 consultation and I think from what we've 01:15:47.359 --> 01:15:50.319 said tonight a lack of community care 01:15:50.399 --> 01:15:55.239 for those people who just less than 200 01:15:55.319 --> 01:15:57.600 are going to be dealing with a very 01:15:57.680 --> 01:15:58.399 difficult 01:15:58.479 --> 01:16:00.880 situation we need to make sure that in 01:16:00.960 --> 01:16:03.640 the time that we have we need to make 01:16:03.720 --> 01:16:06.239 sure that people are aware of where they 01:16:06.319 --> 01:16:09.520 can go we need to make sure that those 01:16:09.600 --> 01:16:11.359 companies are aware that people are 01:16:11.439 --> 01:16:13.239 going to be knocking on their 01:16:13.319 --> 01:16:16.479 door we need to make sure that there is 01:16:16.560 --> 01:16:19.920 going to be a backup way of dealing with 01:16:20.000 --> 01:16:23.560 this so that whenever this is resolved 01:16:23.640 --> 01:16:25.920 and I hope like Council Pauling it's 01:16:26.000 --> 01:16:28.840 resolved in the near future and if not I 01:16:28.920 --> 01:16:31.960 think there'll be a nber of people 01:16:32.039 --> 01:16:34.279 sitting around these tables that will be 01:16:34.359 --> 01:16:37.000 expecting something to help out we as a 01:16:37.079 --> 01:16:40.119 city collectively look after each other 01:16:40.199 --> 01:16:42.479 we collectively look after each other by 01:16:42.560 --> 01:16:46.039 paying our rates and we expect that in 01:16:46.119 --> 01:16:48.079 the city there are going to be 01:16:48.159 --> 01:16:51.039 facilities provided for people many of 01:16:51.119 --> 01:16:54.680 these areas do not have a lot of the 01:16:54.760 --> 01:16:58.000 shiny flash things that people can go to 01:16:58.079 --> 01:17:01.600 they drive to them or whatever know 01:17:01.680 --> 01:17:03.399 there there's usually no swimming pools 01:17:03.479 --> 01:17:05.600 probably not libraries maybe not even 01:17:05.680 --> 01:17:09.359 great parks around but collectively we 01:17:09.439 --> 01:17:12.479 build those in the city so that everyone 01:17:12.560 --> 01:17:17.119 can get to them and if you don't use the 01:17:17.199 --> 01:17:21.640 pool at Belmont baths then we all chip 01:17:21.720 --> 01:17:23.720 in so that there is a pool at Belmont 01:17:23.800 --> 01:17:26.479 bars I think if push comes to shove we 01:17:26.560 --> 01:17:28.439 need to look at that Collective 01:17:28.520 --> 01:17:31.560 responsibility in terms of ensuring that 01:17:31.640 --> 01:17:34.800 the people who are being impacted by 01:17:34.880 --> 01:17:38.479 this ppout situation are protected are 01:17:38.560 --> 01:17:41.520 looked after and are cared for I feel 01:17:41.600 --> 01:17:44.279 that there is enough Collective 01:17:44.359 --> 01:17:47.359 responsibility and will around this room 01:17:47.439 --> 01:17:50.039 to resolve this problem but we do need 01:17:50.119 --> 01:17:53.680 to go back to those three C's 01:17:53.760 --> 01:17:56.279 communication consultation and Community 01:17:56.359 --> 01:17:59.800 Care for us to resolve this problem in 01:17:59.880 --> 01:18:01.520 the very near 01:18:01.600 --> 01:18:03.680 future thank 01:18:03.760 --> 01:18:07.239 you Council bang thank you Madame Mayor 01:18:07.319 --> 01:18:09.920 yes I'm speaking in favour of this 01:18:10.000 --> 01:18:11.000 this 01:18:11.079 --> 01:18:14.119 motion I guess there's some kind of 01:18:14.199 --> 01:18:15.600 rhetorical questions that I have more 01:18:15.680 --> 01:18:17.840 than anything which is you know what 01:18:17.920 --> 01:18:20.319 happened to our communication to 01:18:20.399 --> 01:18:22.680 potential suppliers in this scenario 01:18:22.760 --> 01:18:24.159 like 01:18:24.239 --> 01:18:26.880 how do we get a scenario where a resid 01:18:26.960 --> 01:18:29.119 is ringing up and he's quoted you know 01:18:29.199 --> 01:18:32.000 $50,000 for their pp out like just the 01:18:32.079 --> 01:18:34.600 anxiety that that is creating must be 01:18:34.680 --> 01:18:35.800 absolutely 01:18:35.880 --> 01:18:38.520 horrendous now as Council Adam White has 01:18:38.600 --> 01:18:40.720 said and and and Council Pauling has 01:18:40.800 --> 01:18:43.039 spoken to this as well there is it that 01:18:43.119 --> 01:18:45.359 Collective responsibility yeah this is a 01:18:45.439 --> 01:18:47.119 very small nber of residents but we 01:18:47.199 --> 01:18:49.399 are a city that doesn't leave people 01:18:49.479 --> 01:18:51.520 behind and this is what it feels like 01:18:51.600 --> 01:18:53.760 today it feels like we left people 01:18:53.840 --> 01:18:56.920 behind now the problem with this is and 01:18:57.000 --> 01:18:58.640 the thing that's I'm most frustrated 01:18:58.720 --> 01:19:00.920 about is that this Council has done this 01:19:01.000 --> 01:19:04.279 stuff before into really well we've done 01:19:04.359 --> 01:19:06.600 this really well the green bin scenario 01:19:06.680 --> 01:19:08.720 there's a lot of community ex the Comm 01:19:08.800 --> 01:19:10.520 you know the the communication was out 01:19:10.600 --> 01:19:12.920 there we informed residents you know 01:19:13.000 --> 01:19:15.159 very early in the pce Ste them through 01:19:15.239 --> 01:19:17.359 the process and it's been a phenomenal 01:19:17.439 --> 01:19:19.920 success as a takeup that this could have 01:19:20.000 --> 01:19:22.239 been that but it wasn't so it's a huge 01:19:22.319 --> 01:19:23.800 mised opport 01:19:23.880 --> 01:19:26.279 to once again show how well this 01:19:26.359 --> 01:19:28.319 Council can do community consultation 01:19:28.399 --> 01:19:30.800 and the other problem with this is you 01:19:30.880 --> 01:19:32.479 can't get the toothpaste back in the 01:19:32.560 --> 01:19:35.039 tube now you know there the anxiety's 01:19:35.119 --> 01:19:37.039 already out there the mistrust the 01:19:37.119 --> 01:19:39.279 apprehension towards this Council over 01:19:39.359 --> 01:19:41.760 this item is already out there and it's 01:19:41.840 --> 01:19:43.840 going to take a fair amount of leg work 01:19:43.920 --> 01:19:45.800 and pushing from this Council to help 01:19:45.880 --> 01:19:48.520 them get get that reputation and 01:19:48.600 --> 01:19:51.159 that trust back so like other councils I 01:19:51.239 --> 01:19:53.119 certainly hope this is corrected did 01:19:53.199 --> 01:19:55.600 very quickly and an appropriate result 01:19:55.680 --> 01:19:58.720 is is is is found out so thank you 01:19:58.800 --> 01:20:00.520 Madame May and thank you Council Pauling 01:20:00.600 --> 01:20:02.319 for raising this 01:20:02.399 --> 01:20:04.800 issue thank you Council beler and 01:20:04.880 --> 01:20:06.279 I'll speak before I go back to council 01:20:06.359 --> 01:20:08.279 Pauling because you'll close the 01:20:08.359 --> 01:20:12.119 debate question oh well I'll speak and 01:20:12.199 --> 01:20:14.600 then I'll I'll lead into you 01:20:14.680 --> 01:20:17.439 councilors I've also received emails 01:20:17.520 --> 01:20:19.720 and listening to the public for 01:20:19.800 --> 01:20:21.760 tonight and yes I think I think we're 01:20:21.840 --> 01:20:23.680 all pretty disappointed 01:20:23.760 --> 01:20:26.399 we do care about our community we 01:20:26.479 --> 01:20:27.800 need to get things right we need to 01:20:27.880 --> 01:20:30.479 communicate really well we have to 01:20:30.560 --> 01:20:33.239 remember that we are we administrate 01:20:33.319 --> 01:20:36.319 this pp out system it really is the 01:20:36.399 --> 01:20:37.720 responsibility of Hunter water in the 01:20:37.800 --> 01:20:39.760 state government so they haven't come to 01:20:39.840 --> 01:20:42.119 the table which is really 01:20:42.199 --> 01:20:44.039 disappointing the residents who are 01:20:44.119 --> 01:20:46.439 out there that do have the pp out 01:20:46.520 --> 01:20:50.239 changes are left with nowhere to go 01:20:50.319 --> 01:20:51.680 virtually at this stage that's how 01:20:51.760 --> 01:20:53.960 they're feeling I don't think that's the 01:20:54.039 --> 01:20:56.920 case I hope it's not the case and I hope 01:20:57.000 --> 01:21:00.359 that tonight listening to staff 01:21:00.439 --> 01:21:02.439 I'm sure we can resolve this issue I'm 01:21:02.520 --> 01:21:04.279 sure we can go out and talk to the 01:21:04.359 --> 01:21:07.359 community talk to the companies who are 01:21:07.439 --> 01:21:09.880 going to provide this very vital 01:21:09.960 --> 01:21:11.960 service and I'd like to say that 01:21:12.039 --> 01:21:14.119 one-on-one consultation with the 01:21:14.199 --> 01:21:16.439 community because we do care about our 01:21:16.520 --> 01:21:18.720 community we want to make sure that 01:21:18.800 --> 01:21:21.199 they're not anxious they're not nervous 01:21:21.279 --> 01:21:23.000 they're not concerned cuz that's not 01:21:23.079 --> 01:21:25.840 what we want our community to be yes we 01:21:25.920 --> 01:21:28.760 need to you know have 01:21:28.840 --> 01:21:31.640 this finalized have these pp out 01:21:31.720 --> 01:21:35.039 changes moved on to another provider 01:21:35.119 --> 01:21:37.159 it's not the role of council to provide 01:21:37.239 --> 01:21:39.199 this but we have been doing it so we 01:21:39.279 --> 01:21:40.439 virtually signed an agreement with the 01:21:40.520 --> 01:21:42.479 community to say we will deliver this 01:21:42.560 --> 01:21:44.880 service and now if we're going to change 01:21:44.960 --> 01:21:47.439 that we need to have a new contract with 01:21:47.520 --> 01:21:49.079 the community we need to say the 01:21:49.159 --> 01:21:50.479 community yes we know there's going to 01:21:50.560 --> 01:21:52.119 be challenges but we're going to try and 01:21:52.199 --> 01:21:54.319 solve most of those challenges we're 01:21:54.399 --> 01:21:57.239 going to talk to you one onone we're 01:21:57.319 --> 01:21:59.560 going to make sure that there's a 01:21:59.640 --> 01:22:01.439 provider for you out there that will 01:22:01.520 --> 01:22:03.199 service your needs you may have to pay a 01:22:03.279 --> 01:22:04.119 little bit 01:22:04.199 --> 01:22:06.479 more I you know I don't know what that 01:22:06.560 --> 01:22:08.439 will be but it won't be anywhere near 01:22:08.520 --> 01:22:10.720 the amounts we heard heard tonight or 01:22:10.800 --> 01:22:13.119 this afternoon at public foryeah I 01:22:13.199 --> 01:22:15.199 think we've dropped the ball I'm also 01:22:15.279 --> 01:22:17.239 sorry for the community have to go 01:22:17.319 --> 01:22:20.600 through this experience that but I know 01:22:20.680 --> 01:22:22.920 the staff are very committed very 01:22:23.000 --> 01:22:25.600 dedicated and I know what they will do 01:22:25.680 --> 01:22:27.239 will be the right thing by the 01:22:27.319 --> 01:22:30.840 community so I just want to reassure the 01:22:30.920 --> 01:22:33.840 the public that we will be out there 01:22:33.920 --> 01:22:36.079 talking to each and every one of you and 01:22:36.159 --> 01:22:38.199 trying to resolve those issues for you 01:22:38.279 --> 01:22:41.000 it may not be 100% but it may be very 01:22:41.079 --> 01:22:43.479 close so I want to commend Council 01:22:43.560 --> 01:22:46.520 Pauling for bringing this to us I'm so 01:22:46.600 --> 01:22:48.399 pleased that he's involved so much in 01:22:48.479 --> 01:22:50.319 the community at West Ward he's getting 01:22:50.399 --> 01:22:52.920 so much so many Medias so many people 01:22:53.000 --> 01:22:55.239 contacting you you're a person who takes 01:22:55.319 --> 01:22:58.520 up issues and you're very passionate 01:22:58.600 --> 01:23:00.119 about issues so I want to congratulate 01:23:00.199 --> 01:23:02.039 you for bringing this forward you can 01:23:02.119 --> 01:23:04.159 see you have the collective support of 01:23:04.239 --> 01:23:06.239 the councilor because this Council 01:23:06.319 --> 01:23:08.520 cares about our community and we want to 01:23:08.600 --> 01:23:10.119 get things right here we do things 01:23:10.199 --> 01:23:12.800 really really well and so we can do this 01:23:12.880 --> 01:23:15.119 well as well we have the opportunity so 01:23:15.199 --> 01:23:16.800 over to you councilor Paulie for a right 01:23:16.880 --> 01:23:19.079 of 01:23:20.640 --> 01:23:23.479 reply Madam May before getting to that a 01:23:23.560 --> 01:23:26.119 a question to staff if I could I I 01:23:26.199 --> 01:23:28.159 thought and through yourself so I 01:23:28.239 --> 01:23:30.359 thought I heard that there is now a 01:23:30.439 --> 01:23:32.960 commitment from at least one provider to 01:23:33.039 --> 01:23:35.920 provide similar services at similar cost 01:23:36.000 --> 01:23:38.520 to what council had provided previously 01:23:38.600 --> 01:23:40.199 can I just get confirmation that that is 01:23:40.279 --> 01:23:43.079 the case yeah Mr 01:23:43.159 --> 01:23:45.600 Porton through you Madame Mayor H that's 01:23:45.680 --> 01:23:47.399 correct just recently tonight they 01:23:47.479 --> 01:23:50.319 provided that there's a price that is 01:23:50.399 --> 01:23:53.319 around what we are expecting a a 01:23:53.399 --> 01:23:54.960 commercial provider to be able to 01:23:55.039 --> 01:23:58.000 provide the the residents for a service 01:23:58.079 --> 01:23:59.399 similar to what they've been getting 01:23:59.479 --> 01:24:02.800 from us with the options of you know 01:24:02.880 --> 01:24:04.239 nuancing it depending on the needs of 01:24:04.319 --> 01:24:07.399 the actual residential block okay 01:24:07.479 --> 01:24:09.000 thank you Madame may just a follow-up 01:24:09.079 --> 01:24:11.399 question without betraying commercial 01:24:11.479 --> 01:24:13.720 confidence is that bench being bench 01:24:13.800 --> 01:24:15.800 marked against 01:24:15.880 --> 01:24:20.520 council's previous rate notice charges 01:24:20.600 --> 01:24:24.359 or the potential requoted charges that 01:24:24.439 --> 01:24:28.439 have been muted from various suppliers 01:24:28.520 --> 01:24:30.079 and I think Council point that may 01:24:30.159 --> 01:24:31.680 change too depending on how many pp 01:24:31.760 --> 01:24:33.560 outs people actually get some may get it 01:24:33.640 --> 01:24:37.560 weekly some may get it fortnightly Mr 01:24:37.640 --> 01:24:41.039 pton through you Madame Mayor it's it's 01:24:41.119 --> 01:24:43.319 comparative to what the cost of the 01:24:43.399 --> 01:24:46.520 service for Council currently is okay 01:24:46.600 --> 01:24:49.199 thank you which through you Madame Mayor 01:24:49.279 --> 01:24:51.079 my understanding is partial 01:24:51.159 --> 01:24:53.880 subsidized at least in part relative to 01:24:53.960 --> 01:24:56.760 the current rate notice 01:24:56.840 --> 01:25:00.720 charges is that fair statement Mr pton 01:25:00.800 --> 01:25:02.199 through you Madame Mayor that's correct 01:25:02.279 --> 01:25:04.840 okay cool all right thank you so one 01:25:04.920 --> 01:25:07.119 last just to get this super super clear 01:25:07.199 --> 01:25:09.079 questions to staff through you may 01:25:09.159 --> 01:25:12.239 can the record show that A supplier can 01:25:12.319 --> 01:25:14.039 and has indicated they will service 01:25:14.119 --> 01:25:16.640 similar level and similar cost to that 01:25:16.720 --> 01:25:19.520 currently experienced orbe it with 01:25:19.600 --> 01:25:22.279 potential increases and nuanced for 01:25:22.359 --> 01:25:25.760 for the 195 impacted residents of our 01:25:25.840 --> 01:25:28.159 city I think it was a phone call or 01:25:28.239 --> 01:25:31.520 conversation so I'll go to the CEO I 01:25:31.600 --> 01:25:34.079 this is the the conversation or I'm not 01:25:34.159 --> 01:25:35.720 sure whether it was a email or a 01:25:35.800 --> 01:25:38.520 conversation from staff and I'm not 01:25:38.600 --> 01:25:40.079 sure if that'll be a commitment that's 01:25:40.159 --> 01:25:42.640 made but miss Cameron the CEO I'll 01:25:42.720 --> 01:25:45.720 get her to clarify that thank you m Mr 01:25:45.800 --> 01:25:47.640 pilton can perhaps add value I just 01:25:47.720 --> 01:25:49.520 would caution councilors about 01:25:49.600 --> 01:25:51.239 requesting that that go on record right 01:25:51.319 --> 01:25:53.119 now as part of the ccil meeting given 01:25:53.199 --> 01:25:55.079 the advice was a telephone call late 01:25:55.159 --> 01:25:57.520 this afternoon and staff have obviously 01:25:57.600 --> 01:25:58.920 been working in the background since 01:25:59.000 --> 01:26:01.159 receiving the notice of motion however 01:26:01.239 --> 01:26:02.720 we will be able to clarify all of that 01:26:02.800 --> 01:26:05.359 and provide it to you in more 01:26:05.439 --> 01:26:08.079 definitive terms as part of this process 01:26:08.159 --> 01:26:09.920 I just would feel very uncomfortable 01:26:10.000 --> 01:26:12.079 putting on record in an open meeting 01:26:12.159 --> 01:26:13.399 something that occurred in a telephone 01:26:13.479 --> 01:26:15.279 call earlier on this afternoon so I I 01:26:15.359 --> 01:26:18.199 would caution against staff saying that 01:26:18.279 --> 01:26:19.640 yes we're putting that on record at this 01:26:19.720 --> 01:26:23.159 point in time all good miss Cameron now 01:26:23.239 --> 01:26:26.159 thank you Madame May if there's no 01:26:26.239 --> 01:26:27.920 other speakers I will exercise right 01:26:28.000 --> 01:26:29.960 reply and I realized that question 01:26:30.039 --> 01:26:32.680 was to put well put Council on the spot 01:26:32.760 --> 01:26:34.720 to some degree but this is an 01:26:34.800 --> 01:26:35.960 important we we're looking for 01:26:36.039 --> 01:26:38.239 reassurance here councilor are looking 01:26:38.319 --> 01:26:39.439 for 01:26:39.520 --> 01:26:42.159 reassurance I'm Tad more optimistic than 01:26:42.239 --> 01:26:46.560 I was you know an hour two hours ago 01:26:46.640 --> 01:26:50.159 I hope that those that are here with us 01:26:50.239 --> 01:26:54.680 those watching via link or those that 01:26:54.760 --> 01:26:56.560 are affected and don't even know about 01:26:56.640 --> 01:26:58.560 this issue yet you know potentially if 01:26:58.640 --> 01:26:59.600 they're like me they haven't opened the 01:26:59.680 --> 01:27:02.199 letter yet they still don't know the 01:27:02.279 --> 01:27:04.800 problem that faces them I'm optimistic 01:27:04.880 --> 01:27:07.119 that we can solve this in a reasonable 01:27:07.199 --> 01:27:10.000 way in a reasonable time and I 01:27:10.079 --> 01:27:12.800 implore Council Council staff 01:27:12.880 --> 01:27:16.640 executive to do whatever they can to a 01:27:16.720 --> 01:27:19.920 Solve IT B communicate it as quickly as 01:27:20.000 --> 01:27:22.840 we can because as I said 01:27:22.920 --> 01:27:26.119 I'm deeply rattled by this one I know 01:27:26.199 --> 01:27:28.680 other councilor are also deeply rattled 01:27:28.760 --> 01:27:32.520 by how this has played out and I feel 01:27:32.600 --> 01:27:35.520 I've got sewer like I I've got sewer but 01:27:35.600 --> 01:27:38.199 how wrong this can go if we can't get a 01:27:38.279 --> 01:27:40.399 suitable service at a suitable cost this 01:27:40.479 --> 01:27:43.079 goes really bad of those 195 all it 01:27:43.159 --> 01:27:44.560 takes is one person to go stuff it I'm 01:27:44.640 --> 01:27:47.800 not doing it and I don't know where that 01:27:47.880 --> 01:27:52.399 ends whether that's you know disease 01:27:52.479 --> 01:27:54.760 environmental impact yeah we can find 01:27:54.840 --> 01:27:56.239 someone once again we go and hit someone 01:27:56.319 --> 01:27:57.880 with a big stick that's not the point 01:27:57.960 --> 01:28:01.479 here we are a caring Council we like to 01:28:01.560 --> 01:28:03.760 support our community 01:28:03.840 --> 01:28:05.920 as I said I implore everyone to get 01:28:06.000 --> 01:28:08.720 this right as quick as we can I'm 01:28:08.800 --> 01:28:11.840 cautiously optimistic that this 01:28:11.920 --> 01:28:14.199 evening's debate has highlighted how 01:28:14.279 --> 01:28:16.880 important this is and I've got no doubt 01:28:16.960 --> 01:28:19.760 that it will get the emphas certain 01:28:19.840 --> 01:28:22.920 needs equally if it can't be resolved 01:28:23.000 --> 01:28:25.359 well and quickly I think councilor need 01:28:25.439 --> 01:28:27.680 to know and hence the the memo in that 01:28:27.760 --> 01:28:29.359 if there's a problem here please let us 01:28:29.439 --> 01:28:32.199 know in advance so that we can do 01:28:32.279 --> 01:28:34.399 whatever it takes whether that's some of 01:28:34.479 --> 01:28:37.119 the potential mechanisms alluded to by 01:28:37.199 --> 01:28:39.520 councel Adam or whatever it may be 01:28:39.600 --> 01:28:40.800 because we need to get on top of this 01:28:40.880 --> 01:28:42.359 really really quickly thank you Madame 01:28:42.439 --> 01:28:44.079 Mayor thank you Council Paul you now 01:28:44.159 --> 01:28:47.960 close the debate I'll put 24 NM 001 01:28:48.039 --> 01:28:49.560 review and greater assistance to 01:28:49.640 --> 01:28:52.399 Residents impacted by pp out CH 01:28:52.479 --> 01:28:54.640 changes moved by councilor Pauling 01:28:54.720 --> 01:28:56.239 second by councilor gri I'll put that by 01:28:56.319 --> 01:28:58.439 sharp hands all those in favour councel 01:28:58.520 --> 01:29:00.520 adamw councilor ank Council Conroy 01:29:00.600 --> 01:29:02.239 Council grig Council Bela Council 01:29:02.319 --> 01:29:04.359 Pauling Council Bishop Council Bley 01:29:04.439 --> 01:29:08.199 Council Warner Council Fri declared that 01:29:08.920 --> 01:29:12.479 carried recision motions nil any 01:29:12.560 --> 01:29:14.880 petitions 01:29:14.960 --> 01:29:17.000 councilor no 01:29:17.079 --> 01:29:20.239 petitions business without notice miss 01:29:20.319 --> 01:29:23.479 Cameron no bus without notice I'll 01:29:23.560 --> 01:29:25.239 declare the meeting closed thank you 01:29:25.319 --> 01:29:28.039 your attendance and I'll ask members of 01:29:28.119 --> 01:29:30.399 the gallery to leave the chambers the 01:29:30.479 --> 01:29:32.680 doors will be locked fairly soon so 01:29:32.760 --> 01:29:36.319 thank you very much everyone for your 01:29:40.800 --> 01:29:43.800 attendance